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MrB wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:52 am

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:55 am I like Widdowson but he was poor yesterday.

Personally I’ve never rated him.He’s Just an ok player in my view

he is a solid, reliable and dependable left back at this level. I thought he had a good season at a higher level to boot.

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:24 am

MrB wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:52 am

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:55 am I like Widdowson but he was poor yesterday.

Personally I’ve never rated him.He’s Just an ok player in my view

he is a solid, reliable and dependable left back at this level. I thought he had a good season at a higher level to boot.

There’s far worse players at the club.

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:24 am

MrB wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:52 am

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:55 am I like Widdowson but he was poor yesterday.

Personally I’ve never rated him.He’s Just an ok player in my view

he is a solid, reliable and dependable left back at this level. I thought he had a good season at a higher level to boot.

I appreciate your your opinion

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:42 am

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:24 am

MrB wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:52 am
Personally I’ve never rated him.He’s Just an ok player in my view

he is a solid, reliable and dependable left back at this level. I thought he had a good season at a higher level to boot.

There’s far worse players at the club.

I appreciate your opinion

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:55 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:22 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:14 pm

Wrong. Judd has looked good so far. Will start the season in front of your fella.

Sorry to say this Dis , but he ain't starting in front of a fit sam ling

Like it or not ling jnr is number 1 choice.

Why do you say that Tiff?

Are you accusing the club of nepotism?

Ah thats your Gig .

I'm merely poi ting out that Ling jnr is the all round better pro .

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:24 am

MrB wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:52 am

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:55 am I like Widdowson but he was poor yesterday.

Personally I’ve never rated him.He’s Just an ok player in my view

he is a solid, reliable and dependable left back at this level. I thought he had a good season at a higher level to boot.

Indeed, solid if unspectacular. Let him just defend and play a winger in front who does the attacking, even if they're not so hot at tracking back.

That works if you have a more dynamic combination on the other side, but it's that RB conundrum again...

Can't remember Widdowson making many mistakes. Solid, reliable always 6 out of 10.0. Could attack more

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:14 pm Judd beaten to the ball for the goal

I think he will be out for the start of the season due to that

Wrong.

The bloke who scored came in from midfield. Judds man was the little fella out on the wing.

I’ve been impressed with what I’ve seen from Myles so far this pre-season. He’s definitely ahead of Ling as things stand.

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:57 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:14 pm Judd beaten to the ball for the goal

I think he will be out for the start of the season due to that

Wrong.

The bloke who scored came in from midfield. Judds man was the little fella out on the wing.

I’ve been impressed with what I’ve seen from Myles so far this pre-season. He’s definitely ahead of Ling as things stand.

Wrong
Judd is Number 14
Who is in the box with the gaolscorer?

Number 14

Specsavers for you laddie

Yes, Judd tucks in and covers, nearly blocking it.

But that’s not his man.

The criticism here should be at Widdowson for letting the ball come in the box so easily - twice, as it happens - and our midfield for not tracking back.

Cant really blame Judd for the goal yesterday IMHO, he did the right thing coming inside to try and cut out the cross but Dayton lost the goalscorer and Judd could'nt get there in time to cover. tbf it was a quality volley but Hoskins who scored is a good player.

I thought Judd was OK yesterday.

Widdowson was poor in the first half take a look at the Northampton highlights recurring theme of him standing off and allowing crosses into the box.

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/20202/augus ... ighlights/

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:02 pm Yes, Judd tucks in and covers, nearly blocking it.

But that’s not his man.

The criticism here should be at Widdowson for letting the ball come in the box so easily - twice, as it happens - and our midfield for not tracking back.

Agree on this, watching the Unfiltered highlights it's all about how easy it is to work the ball out wide and no pressure on the cross

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:02 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:02 pm Yes, Judd tucks in and covers, nearly blocking it.

But that’s not his man.

The criticism here should be at Widdowson for letting the ball come in the box so easily - twice, as it happens - and our midfield for not tracking back.

Agree on this, watching the Unfiltered highlights it's all about how easy it is to work the ball out wide and no pressure on the cross

If that had been Ling junior we'd be upto 15 pages now



Ah the harshness of the closed minded fan !

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:17 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:02 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:02 pm Yes, Judd tucks in and covers, nearly blocking it.

But that’s not his man.

The criticism here should be at Widdowson for letting the ball come in the box so easily - twice, as it happens - and our midfield for not tracking back.

Agree on this, watching the Unfiltered highlights it's all about how easy it is to work the ball out wide and no pressure on the cross

If that had been Ling junior we'd be upto 15 pages now



Ah the harshness of the closed minded fan !

Not really.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4765

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:38 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:17 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:02 pm

Agree on this, watching the Unfiltered highlights it's all about how easy it is to work the ball out wide and no pressure on the cross

If that had been Ling junior we'd be upto 15 pages now



Ah the harshness of the closed minded fan !

Not really.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4765

We can all post a clip if a right back getting run ragged RedO

At the end of the day we lost to a team in the division above us, it's expected they would have better players and be able to open us up. Let's see what it's like against a team at our level

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:13 am

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:38 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:17 pm

If that had been Ling junior we'd be upto 15 pages now



Ah the harshness of the closed minded fan !

Not really.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4765

We can all post a clip if a right back getting run ragged RedO

That’s a bit weird.

You haven’t got the points I was making when posting the link to comments on the last game ( not some random game from years back).

Lingy made a mistake for their first goal, it was noted, but didn’t go to 15 pages.

Also, their second was similar, cross from the left to an almost unmarked player. Ling wasn’t hammered for that one.

Judd had another solid game and is looking good for the coming season. Let’s hope he can continue this fine form.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:53 pm Cant really blame Judd for the goal yesterday IMHO, he did the right thing coming inside to try and cut out the cross but Dayton lost the goalscorer and Judd could'nt get there in time to cover. tbf it was a quality volley but Hoskins who scored is a good player.

I thought Judd was OK yesterday.

Widdowson was poor in the first half take a look at the Northampton highlights recurring theme of him standing off and allowing crosses into the box.

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/20202/augus ... ighlights/

Agree and agree.

Which is why I’m personally not as convinced as most people that Widdowson is ‘solid defensively’. He’s constantly giving space for crosses to come in and rarely makes a block. Watching him sometimes it looks like he’s been told to step back but that can’t be true.

On the evidence so far, Judd offers much more than Ling, in attack and defence. He is so much more involved in the game. Sure both he and Ling get caught out. It happens, even at higher levels. But overall in preseason he is ahead of Ling by some way.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:43 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:53 pm Cant really blame Judd for the goal yesterday IMHO, he did the right thing coming inside to try and cut out the cross but Dayton lost the goalscorer and Judd could'nt get there in time to cover. tbf it was a quality volley but Hoskins who scored is a good player.

I thought Judd was OK yesterday.

Widdowson was poor in the first half take a look at the Northampton highlights recurring theme of him standing off and allowing crosses into the box.

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/20202/augus ... ighlights/

Agree and agree.

Which is why I’m personally not as convinced as most people that Widdowson is ‘solid defensively’. He’s constantly giving space for crosses to come in and rarely makes a block. Watching him sometimes it looks like he’s been told to step back but that can’t be true.

Agree especially with............. ''He’s constantly giving space for crosses to come in and rarely makes a block.''
Also Widdowson offers little to nothing when going forward, strictly sideways and backward passes. When crossing the ball, rarely if ever seems to be able lift the ball over defenders in front of him. He is just a bog standard lower league rather static defensive player.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:02 am On the evidence so far, Judd offers much more than Ling, in attack and defence. He is so much more involved in the game. Sure both he and Ling get caught out. It happens, even at higher levels. But overall in preseason he is ahead of Ling by some way.

But if both are fit, seems that Ling is nearly always preferred, wonder why ?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:59 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:55 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:22 pm

Sorry to say this Dis , but he ain't starting in front of a fit sam ling

Like it or not ling jnr is number 1 choice.

Why do you say that Tiff?

Are you accusing the club of nepotism?

Ah thats your Gig .

I'm merely poi ting out that Ling jnr is the all round better pro .

Not my gig fella - I don’t practise it.

Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:02 am On the evidence so far, Judd offers much more than Ling, in attack and defence. He is so much more involved in the game. Sure both he and Ling get caught out. It happens, even at higher levels. But overall in preseason he is ahead of Ling by some way.

People also seem to forget the Judd has only turned 21 this year. He's not at the level that he'll end up at. He's still learning all the time and I suspect that as he gets older, he gets wiser when it comes to diving it. That, of course, depends on coaching and game time. But unlike most people, I still believe in him. He had a little run in the team about a season and a half ago and he was outstanding in almost every game. I don't think that was a fluke but a lot of people have forgotten it.

I know it's a while ago, but during out relegation season Judd was voted the young player (U18) of the season for the whole of league 2, so there's definitely something about him. I think it's taken a while for him to get his confidence back, but there's definitely a great player in there, we just need some good coaching to get it out of him

And game time. And not being dropped every time an inferior squad member is fit. And not being thrown under the bus by our directors.

That will also help.