Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Thor wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 10:21 pm I sit in the north and a lot of people around me don’t have kids with them ever, now that’s a fact.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 10:32 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 10:21 pm I sit in the north and a lot of people around me don’t have kids with them ever, now that’s a fact.

I agree.

But when we’re getting 6,000 crowds in sell out games, it ain’t because of the ghost kids. They’re a drop in the ocean.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 10:32 pm ... it ain’t because of the ghost kids. They’re a drop in the ocean.

RientO wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 1:26 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 10:32 pm ... it ain’t because of the ghost kids. They’re a drop in the ocean.

For Wrexham according to Orient web site - ATTENDANCE: 6,643 (931 away fans)
I believe it was sold out (though stand to be corrected)
According to wikipedia 1,459 in away section, so that's 500 off capacity of approx 9,000
so 5,712 Os fans in 7,768 seats that could have been available. Even if you knock off the 768 for TV cameras (generous) it still leaves around 1,300 unused seats .
Looking at the gallery https://www.leytonorient.com/news/2019/ ... amgallery/ there seems to be a lot more empty seats in the north stand
https://www.leytonorient.com/siteassets ... .jpg/Large

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 1:53 pm Quick look on the ticketing site and it holds approximately 1,200.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 3:37 pm I don't understand why the North adult price is that much lower. It just doesn't make sense. If the West is £299 with the best view, the South £279 with the use of the bar included then something like £249 would be about right for the North. That's what they should have corrected.

RientO wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 3:48 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 3:37 pm I don't understand why the North adult price is that much lower. It just doesn't make sense. If the West is £299 with the best view, the South £279 with the use of the bar included then something like £249 would be about right for the North. That's what they should have corrected.

I guess the North is cheaper as it is factoring in an adult bringing a child or two and making it as affordable as possible. And yes, the price in the North should be similar to the South for adults as it is the same view.

Chelsea have a similar pricing for their family section where the tickets for adults are over £10 cheaper in the family section than anywhere else. So the price of two tickets (adult + child) there is little than the cost of the cheapest single ticket elsewhere.

WickfordO wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:33 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:04 am

Esteban wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 9:49 am

As a neutral, I’m not so sure your input is needed on this topic.

So you have no answer to the fact that Leyton Orient were re born in 2017?

They weren't re-born, they were revived as they were only on their death bed not actually in the morgue.

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 12:01 pm

WickfordO wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:33 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:04 am

So you have no answer to the fact that Leyton Orient were re born in 2017?

They weren't re-born, they were revived as they were only on their death bed not actually in the morgue.

Salford weren't even on their death bed before the class of 92 pumped them full of financial steroids

Delamod wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 12:33 pm I think one issue is wanting to stay near people you've got to know.
I've had season tickets for the north stand for quite a few years now and know most people who sit near our group.
I think we'll have two more seasons where my son qualifies for the junior ticket. I personally wouldn't mind paying full whack once he gets beyond that if we could stay in the north- it may be a solution to the phantom kids ( I actually doubt there are many real phantoms, more like genuine children who are very infrequent attenders).

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 1:37 pm

Delamod wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 12:33 pm I think one issue is wanting to stay near people you've got to know.
I've had season tickets for the north stand for quite a few years now and know most people who sit near our group.
I think we'll have two more seasons where my son qualifies for the junior ticket. I personally wouldn't mind paying full whack once he gets beyond that if we could stay in the north- it may be a solution to the phantom kids ( I actually doubt there are many real phantoms, more like genuine children who are very infrequent attenders).

The club kicked out adults who no longer have kids from North Stand a few years ago.

It is a shame as like you say, you make friends with those around you for years and then suddenly are kicked out because your kid turns 18. It changes the enjoyment you have at games, and I suspect may result in some people stopping attending.

The other side of the coin is you can't have a family stand made up of adults without kids.

Perhaps a way forward would be to make it a stand where strict rules of behaviour are enforced. No swearing, no abuse of opposition etc to make it family friendly without excluding adults who can watch games without such behaviour. The only other point is that I hear far worse language in the North Stand than I do on occasions I sit in other stands. Usually from parents attending with their kids!

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 1:37 pm
The only other point is that I hear far worse language in the North Stand than I do on occasions I sit in other stands. Usually from parents attending with their kids!

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 2:18 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 1:37 pm
The only other point is that I hear far worse language in the North Stand than I do on occasions I sit in other stands. Usually from parents attending with their kids!

No disrespect but that's totally f**king bullsh*t. Take it you've never ventured into the South?

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 3:37 pm It's an issue we've done to death and one I'm fully aware of, especially the clubs dodgy statement on why they increased kids tickets by 500%.

I don't understand why the North adult price is that much lower. It just doesn't make sense. If the West is £299 with the best view, the South £279 with the use of the bar included then something like £249 would be about right for the North. That's what they should have corrected.

The £10 kids season ticket was something the club should have been proud of.

But back to the subject, ghost kids in the North (capacity 1,200) doesn't explain away the unused 2,000 or whatever it is.

orienfan64920 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 3:15 pm
How do we get rid of the ghost kids without pushing the price of kids tickets up though?

orienfan64920 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 3:15 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 3:37 pm It's an issue we've done to death and one I'm fully aware of, especially the clubs dodgy statement on why they increased kids tickets by 500%.

I don't understand why the North adult price is that much lower. It just doesn't make sense. If the West is £299 with the best view, the South £279 with the use of the bar included then something like £249 would be about right for the North. That's what they should have corrected.

The £10 kids season ticket was something the club should have been proud of.

But back to the subject, ghost kids in the North (capacity 1,200) doesn't explain away the unused 2,000 or whatever it is.

How do we get rid of the ghost kids without pushing the price of kids tickets up though?

With your proposed pricing it would still be cheaper to buy an adult and child ticket than go elsewhere, so why would people who favour the north not do that?

RientO wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 3:28 pm

orienfan64920 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 3:15 pm
How do we get rid of the ghost kids without pushing the price of kids tickets up though?

One option would be unallocated seating and to do what they did with the free youth season tickets they had a few years ago. You got a book of vouchers, but only got the ticket when you turned up and handed it in. That way it would be possible to know how many kids seats were actually used on average and to sell extra adult tickets to compensate. Only danger would be if loads of extra kids did actually turn up.

The east stand is effectively unallocated seating as there is often someone sat in my assigned seat, but we just shift along a few seats.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 3:32 pm

orienfan64920 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 3:15 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 3:37 pm It's an issue we've done to death and one I'm fully aware of, especially the clubs dodgy statement on why they increased kids tickets by 500%.

I don't understand why the North adult price is that much lower. It just doesn't make sense. If the West is £299 with the best view, the South £279 with the use of the bar included then something like £249 would be about right for the North. That's what they should have corrected.

The £10 kids season ticket was something the club should have been proud of.

But back to the subject, ghost kids in the North (capacity 1,200) doesn't explain away the unused 2,000 or whatever it is.

How do we get rid of the ghost kids without pushing the price of kids tickets up though?

With your proposed pricing it would still be cheaper to buy an adult and child ticket than go elsewhere, so why would people who favour the north not do that?

The reason I've suggested the North should be cheaper than the South is that it hasn't got the bar. Just as both are cheaper than the West because of the worse view. Do you honestly think someone would rather pay £249 plus £9 to sit in the North, when they could pay £279 and use the bar in the South?

I've also suggested some sort of attendance requirement.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 3:36 pm No issue with unallocated seating in there but not sure this gets around the issue - you'd still need to reserve x amount of seats to accommodate the kids season ticket holders should they turn up.