Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Posted: **Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:56 pm**

spen666 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:02 pm
o-no wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:30 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:37 pm Like many other remainers, soon move onto the insults etc. Many remainers are REALLY hoping that leaving the EU will be bad for the uk and will be really annoyed if in 5 years time, things are ok and looking up. Of course things will take time to settle down but back in 1975 I and many others were told we were voting purely for a trading agreement with the then Common Market, not to be absorbed into a political union as it is rapidly turning out to be. The UK is an old established democracy and is not an ex communist Eastern European country used to being run by dictatorships. Countries like those may well be better off removing power from their corrupt governments and handing power over to the EU to govern them, no we are quite capable of running our own country without having the EU to tell us how to do it, capable of making our own laws and governing ourselves and setting our own trading agreements with the rest of the world.
I don't think many remainers are hoping it's going to be really bad - anymore than they're hoping that Orient lose so many matches that Ross gets the boot. Most sensible people want both to be successful, but there's very little reason to think that they will be.

Being in the EU (whether you agree with it or not) made trading with EU partners easy - it was the same setup for any member country, and the EU made deals with 3rd party counties for the benefit of all. Now we're hoping that the UK - with no history of making bilateral trade agreements - and a long history of f*cking up big important projects - is suddenly going to replace all of that, by December 31.

But, hey, we've got blue passports, right.

No history at all, apart from the 1000+ years before the EU negotiated overseas trade deals for the UK, within the last 40 years

And BINGO - another remainer going on about the colour of the passports

Is the arch pedant talking about a 1000 year plus history for the UK?

Posted: **Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:43 am**

So William of Normandy came over with a blue passport or did that Harold fella already have one?

Posted: **Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:41 am**

https://southendnewsnetwork.net/news/eu ... GiBDS6O4Nc

Good old Southend news network

Posted: **Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:24 pm**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:41 am https://southendnewsnetwork.net/news/eu ... GiBDS6O4Nc

Good old Southend news network

They fiddle while Rome burns .

Posted: **Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:52 pm**

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:37 pm
ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:34 am
Ralphs Coate wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:54 am
Enjoyed this. Just another video/document that confirms what a truly stupid thing, leaving the EU is, and what idiots the people who forced this upon us are.
If only those who voted leave could suffer whats to come in the five years following Dec 31st 2020, and those of us who rejected it could carry on benefiting from being in the EU
Just shows how stupid the average brexiteer is, to praise this new passport, which takes away a plethora of rights/advantages from us, over the old passport which gives us so much more freedoms and rights
Like many other remainers, soon move onto the insults etc. Many remainers are REALLY hoping that leaving the EU will be bad for the uk and will be really annoyed if in 5 years time, things are ok and looking up. Of course things will take time to settle down but back in 1975 I and many others were told we were voting purely for a trading agreement with the then Common Market, not to be absorbed into a political union as it is rapidly turning out to be. The UK is an old established democracy and is not an ex communist Eastern European country used to being run by dictatorships. Countries like those may well be better off removing power from their corrupt governments and handing power over to the EU to govern them, no we are quite capable of running our own country without having the EU to tell us how to do it, capable of making our own laws and governing ourselves and setting our own trading agreements with the rest of the world.

Tosh. I'm a remainer but that doesn't mean I'm actively hoping for a poorer standard of living and economic downturn just to spite leavers. I really hope it is a success as there's plenty of the population who can't afford for it not to be. Including me. I'm just pleased to have given up meat so I can swerve the chlorinated chicken and other meat that'll be prepared to a far lesser standard than what comes into the UK now.

Almost 4 years after the referendum and I've given up waiting for a leaver to tell me what they'll be able to do on an everyday basis after we've left that they can't do now. What EU laws are they most looking forward to getting rid of?

Posted: **Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:38 pm**

There's all that additional money for the NHS, just for starters.

Posted: **Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:00 pm**

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:52 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:37 pm
ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:34 am

Enjoyed this. Just another video/document that confirms what a truly stupid thing, leaving the EU is, and what idiots the people who forced this upon us are.
If only those who voted leave could suffer whats to come in the five years following Dec 31st 2020, and those of us who rejected it could carry on benefiting from being in the EU
Just shows how stupid the average brexiteer is, to praise this new passport, which takes away a plethora of rights/advantages from us, over the old passport which gives us so much more freedoms and rights
Like many other remainers, soon move onto the insults etc. Many remainers are REALLY hoping that leaving the EU will be bad for the uk and will be really annoyed if in 5 years time, things are ok and looking up. Of course things will take time to settle down but back in 1975 I and many others were told we were voting purely for a trading agreement with the then Common Market, not to be absorbed into a political union as it is rapidly turning out to be. The UK is an old established democracy and is not an ex communist Eastern European country used to being run by dictatorships. Countries like those may well be better off removing power from their corrupt governments and handing power over to the EU to govern them, no we are quite capable of running our own country without having the EU to tell us how to do it, capable of making our own laws and governing ourselves and setting our own trading agreements with the rest of the world.
Tosh. I'm a remainer but that doesn't mean I'm actively hoping for a poorer standard of living and economic downturn just to spite leavers. I really hope it is a success as there's plenty of the population who can't afford for it not to be. Including me. I'm just pleased to have given up meat so I can swerve the chlorinated chicken and other meat that'll be prepared to a far lesser standard than what comes into the UK now.

Almost 4 years after the referendum and I've given up waiting for a leaver to tell me what they'll be able to do on an everyday basis after we've left that they can't do now. What EU laws are they most looking forward to getting rid of?

Before making any predictions, let us all see how it pans out first.
My reasons for voting for leave were not for financial reasons, many other issues other than that.
You say that you are not hoping that leaving the EU will be a disaster but many leavers I have come across have told me that they HATE the decision to leave the EU and really hope it goes badly so that it gives pressure in the future for UK to reapply to go back in the EU. So for you it is as you say TOSH, but some others think differently to you. Different people, different opinions and predictions, have a good day.

Posted: **Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:04 pm**

What were the many other reasons you had?

The random words in CAPITALS - is that a Daily Express thing?

Posted: **Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:02 pm**

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:04 pm What were the many other reasons you had?

The random words in CAPITALS - is that a Daily Express thing?

I believe it's an age thing. He's 72 don't you know.

Posted: **Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:23 pm**

And now, apparently, we're planning to withdraw from the European Arrest Warrant, against the advice of the Security Services and the Polis.

f*cking "experts" - who needs 'em?

Posted: **Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:42 pm**

StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:23 pm And now, apparently, we're planning to withdraw from the European Arrest Warrant, against the advice of the Security Services and the Polis.

f*cking "experts" - who needs 'em?

No, we are not able to remain in EAW scheme if not a member of the EU.

Posted: **Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:50 pm**

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:42 pm
StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:23 pm And now, apparently, we're planning to withdraw from the European Arrest Warrant, against the advice of the Security Services and the Polis.

f*cking "experts" - who needs 'em?
No, we are not able to remain in EAW scheme if not a member of the EU.

Spen, are within our legal rights to refuse to have a blue passport?

Posted: **Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:08 am**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:50 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:42 pm
StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:23 pm And now, apparently, we're planning to withdraw from the European Arrest Warrant, against the advice of the Security Services and the Polis.

f*cking "experts" - who needs 'em?
No, we are not able to remain in EAW scheme if not a member of the EU.
Spen, are within our legal rights to refuse to have a blue passport?

Yes, no one forces you to apply for a passport. If you don't want a blue passport, just don't apply for a passport

Posted: **Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:51 am**

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:04 pm What were the many other reasons you had?

The random words in CAPITALS - is that a Daily Express thing?

You won't get the other reasons out of him, because it will all come back to meaningless "taking back control" tropes

Posted: **Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:47 am**

I'm going to set up a business making burgundy passport covers.

Got to be a few quid in it?

Posted: **Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:52 pm**

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:08 am
Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:50 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:42 pm

No, we are not able to remain in EAW scheme if not a member of the EU.
Spen, are within our legal rights to refuse to have a blue passport?

Yes, no one forces you to apply for a passport. If you don't want a blue passport, just don't apply for a passport

How the hell are they going to retire to Spain and complain about Immigrants if they do that? Sometimes Spen the obvious answer isn't always the right one.

Posted: **Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:05 pm**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:52 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:08 am
Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:50 pm

Spen, are within our legal rights to refuse to have a blue passport?

Yes, no one forces you to apply for a passport. If you don't want a blue passport, just don't apply for a passport
How the hell are they going to retire to Spain and complain about Immigrants if they do that? Sometimes Spen the obvious answer isn't always the right one.

you are answering a different question to the one I was asked.

Posted: **Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:40 pm**

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:05 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:52 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:08 am

Yes, no one forces you to apply for a passport. If you don't want a blue passport, just don't apply for a passport
How the hell are they going to retire to Spain and complain about Immigrants if they do that? Sometimes Spen the obvious answer isn't always the right one.

you are answering a different question to the one I was asked.

It wasn't a question.

Posted: **Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:45 pm**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:40 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:05 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:52 pm

How the hell are they going to retire to Spain and complain about Immigrants if they do that? Sometimes Spen the obvious answer isn't always the right one.

you are answering a different question to the one I was asked.
It wasn't a question.

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Post by Disoriented » Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:50 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:42 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:23 pm
And now, apparently, we're planning to withdraw from the European Arrest Warrant, against the advice of the Security Services and the Polis.

f*cking "experts" - who needs 'em? No, we are not able to remain in EAW scheme if not a member of the EU. Spen, are within our legal rights to refuse to have a blue passport?

That sure looks like a question to me- and it even has a question mark at the end to assist people to decide if it was a question

Posted: **Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:38 pm**

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:45 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:40 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:05 pm

you are answering a different question to the one I was asked.
It wasn't a question.

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Post by Disoriented » Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:50 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:42 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:23 pm
And now, apparently, we're planning to withdraw from the European Arrest Warrant, against the advice of the Security Services and the Polis.

f*cking "experts" - who needs 'em? No, we are not able to remain in EAW scheme if not a member of the EU. Spen, are within our legal rights to refuse to have a blue passport?

That sure looks like a question to me- and it even has a question mark at the end to assist people to decide if it was a question

Not that one you thicko.

Posted: **Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:30 pm**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:38 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:45 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:40 pm

It wasn't a question.

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Post by Disoriented » Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:50 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:42 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:23 pm
And now, apparently, we're planning to withdraw from the European Arrest Warrant, against the advice of the Security Services and the Polis.

f*cking "experts" - who needs 'em? No, we are not able to remain in EAW scheme if not a member of the EU. Spen, are within our legal rights to refuse to have a blue passport?

That sure looks like a question to me- and it even has a question mark at the end to assist people to decide if it was a question
Not that one you thicko.

It was the one I answered. I even quoted the question in my reply.

Sorry you seem unable to comprehend

Posted: **Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:13 pm**

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:30 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:38 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:45 pm

That sure looks like a question to me- and it even has a question mark at the end to assist people to decide if it was a question
Not that one you thicko.
It was the one I answered. I even quoted the question in my reply.

Sorry you seem unable to comprehend

Yes, yes but that was not what I was talking about. Are you as slow as this in Court?