Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:12 pm Bizarre if true. People square up week in week out in changing rooms. You forget it and are best mates at training on a Monday. Unless what was said was completely out of line.
Either way, is Ling the ‘experienced number 2’ Ross now has? He should be nowhere near the dressing room during or immediately after the game. Shades of Bullshitti.

It's been building for a long time apparently. This incident caused his sacking only insofar as the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand caused World War I. The underlying conditions have been set down for a while through the tensions between the Lingite camp and... those who can see the damage that's being done through the gradual flushing out of competent people in favour of those who won't question, and owe their position directly and entirely to the patronage of Mr Ling. Yes, he really does need to read Nigel's book.

And you know this how? Who has been flushed out?

Turdley?

Danny loves attacking football so maybe his outburst was about the endless negative football and continual doubting ourselves . Maybe he wasn’t diplomatic. Real shame as i think Danny was a real Asset and will make a good manager

Games without Danny
P1 W1 D0 L0

Danny has integrity and as noted, competency, and that seems at odds with the old boy’s club. The signs are there, just like our last dof. We will look back on this year and shake our heads at what’s happening to our club.

Luna Tic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:45 pm Danny loves attacking football so maybe his outburst was about the endless negative football and continual doubting ourselves . Maybe he wasn’t diplomatic. Real shame as i think Danny was a real Asset and will make a good manager

You're not a million miles away from it. He is the more accomplished and qualified coach. And - on this occasion - wasn't impressed to see how chuffed Embleton was by us poncing a late equaliser after what was - by and large - a gormless performance.

The players are probably relieved that this source of dressing room tension has been removed, but is that short-term uplift worth losing one of the people who thinks we should be doing better with the talent we currently have in our squad? Or are we all happy to settle into a nice comfortable and dreary "well at least we have a club, so we should be grateful for a few seasons bumbling around at the foot of League Two even though we have a top 8 budget and top 3 crowds" routine? Because I bet Kent Teague isn't.

So it's only a matter of time. It's simply a question of how many good people we lose between now and the inevitable.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:53 pm Danny has integrity and as noted, competency, and that seems at odds with the old boy’s club. The signs are there, just like our last dof. We will look back on this year and shake our heads at what’s happening to our club.

Our last DoF?!?!, care to enlighten me.

Fellowo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:55 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:53 pm Danny has integrity and as noted, competency, and that seems at odds with the old boy’s club. The signs are there, just like our last dof. We will look back on this year and shake our heads at what’s happening to our club.

Our last DoF?!?!, care to enlighten me.

Who was our last DOF?

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:26 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:20 pm

North Stand Dave wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:15 pm Was told Ross & Webb had an argument at half time on Tuesday in front of the players. Ling stepped in & then Webb had an argument with him.
Ling reported all this to Kent & he sacked him there & then, so sounds like he will be doing some gardening but not on the clubs terms.

If that's what happened then it makes me think that ML isn't quite as sweet and cuddly as some might think. He must have known that taking this upstairs to Kent would only have one outcome.

Lingy should have the power and the balls to make that call on his own.

If this is true, Webb is bang out of order.

Ling won't have the authority to sack a member of the coaching staff on his own, so he'd have to report it to T&T. For all we know, Ling may have suggested to them that sacking Webb was the best solution, and they went with it.

Ling clearly has a ruthless streak about him BoniO, as manager he got rid of certain players very quickly who he thought were bad for dressing room morale or weren't performing. This shouldn't come as a shock to people.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:54 pmOne things for certain...we ( the fans) will never get to know what happened ( if anything), as the club are not as forthcoming, as some fans think they are.
It will be swept under the carpet, and after a little time, will all be forgotten
Rumour and counter rumour, is the best we're going to get guys

If you actually think fans have a right to know the specific details of an internal dispute within an organisation, you're an even bigger idiot than I first thought.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:54 pm

Luna Tic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:45 pm Danny loves attacking football so maybe his outburst was about the endless negative football and continual doubting ourselves . Maybe he wasn’t diplomatic. Real shame as i think Danny was a real Asset and will make a good manager

You're not a million miles away from it. He is the more accomplished and qualified coach. And - on this occasion - wasn't impressed to see how chuffed Embleton was by us poncing a late equaliser after what was - by and large - a gormless performance.

The players are probably relieved that this source of dressing room tension has been removed, but is that short-term uplift worth losing one of the people who thinks we should be doing better with the talent we currently have in our squad? Or are we all happy to settle into a nice comfortable and dreary "well at least we have a club, so we should be grateful for a few seasons bumbling around at the foot of League Two even though we have a top 8 budget and top 3 crowds" routine? Because I bet Kent Teague isn't.

So it's only a matter of time. It's simply a question of how many good people we lose between now and the inevitable.

Don't really see it that way. Ling has admitted to the fans he sees Embleton as ahead of Webb as a manager currently - no idea what level of qualification Webb is on atm either but given Ross has been coaching since 16, I'd be surprised if Webb was the more qualified of the two. Not that a UEFA A Licence coach is guaranteed to be a better manager than someone with a UEFA B Licence anyway.

Ross's reaction to us grabbing a late equaliser is similar to how any manager would have reacted to their team equalising in stoppage time after being behind.

Ling has probably judged it as Webb trying to undermine Ross and this was creating a negative atmosphere amongst the coaching staff and the players, and acted decisively.

There is a big difference between qualified and competent.

Oyinbo have you got some kind of in with the club?

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:13 pm Oyinbo have you got some kind of in with the club?

And this is why I ignore anything JackaThory has to say about Football

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:53 pm Danny has integrity and as noted, competency, and that seems at odds with the old boy’s club.

Did he have integrity when he fed us that bullshit about Cisak?

You’re also mistaking competency for having a famous dad.

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:07 pm Shock horror DOF in the changing room whatever next JobI McAnuff roaming around on the balcony

Of course he shouldn’t be in there. Nor should any of the directors. Ross should be running that room, anyone above him coming into that area causes problems.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:53 pm Danny has integrity and as noted, competency, and that seems at odds with the old boy’s club. The signs are there, just like our last dof. We will look back on this year and shake our heads at what’s happening to our club.

Any evidence that he is competent?

Webb clearly honks he should have the job, he’s thought it since 2017, so it was only a matter of time before this happened.

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:46 pm

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:19 pm

faith1234 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:39 am Gardening leave the man live in a block of flats

No he don't nice detached place about three roads away from me, we use the same "local"

After hearing this news may I extend my sympathy to Danny Webb

By the way Justin's sister lives in same road as me, 4 doors away to be precise, comes to our street parties, what sarky comment you got about that, crawl back in your hole, ya knob

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:05 am

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:46 pm

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:19 pm
No he don't nice detached place about three roads away from me, we use the same "local"

After hearing this news may I extend my sympathy to Danny Webb

By the way Justin's sister lives in same road as me, 4 doors away to be precise, comes to our street parties, what sarky comment you got about that, crawl back in your hole, ya knob

Jeez double sympathy fancy having to live near you

So, has the Club said anything about this rumour yet, then?

Good luck DW, longterm it's much better to get away from this shitshow. Yes, it was great to get a win at the weekend against a weakened Newport side but it's only a matter of time before a few others get their marching orders

People taking sides without knowing any of the facts. Wish I could say I am surprised.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:10 pm People taking sides without knowing any of the facts. Wish I could say I am surprised.

Not me. I refuse to get tangled up in this sticky situation.

It looks ominous, but I hope he hasn't gone. Always thought he cut a dignified figure on the touchline; must take some credit for the clutch of good prospects the club have helped develop in the past six years or so. I think it is beholden on the club to make a statement to avoid rumour-mongering.

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:45 am

point nine one eight wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:05 am

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:46 pm

After hearing this news may I extend my sympathy to Danny Webb

By the way Justin's sister lives in same road as me, 4 doors away to be precise, comes to our street parties, what sarky comment you got about that, crawl back in your hole, ya knob

Jeez double sympathy fancy having to live near you

Your class or should I say arse is clearly showing.