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tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:25 pm

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:45 pm

spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:53 pm

That wouldn't work as where do you apply VAT on online sales?

Company just says it is based abroad or in area with low local vat.

You apply to address bought from. So either the address sent to or the location of the device. As you would from a shop. Anything that does not have an address is put into a central fund and distributed to the poorer councils.

Dont forget there are lots of private sellers on amazon
1 price covers the ability to.sell to all of Europe .

Do Amazon pay there VAT ?

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:46 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:25 pm

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:45 pm
You apply to address bought from. So either the address sent to or the location of the device. As you would from a shop. Anything that does not have an address is put into a central fund and distributed to the poorer councils.

Dont forget there are lots of private sellers on amazon
1 price covers the ability to.sell to all of Europe .

Do Amazon pay there VAT ?

The next government will bring in a digital tax. This would work in exactly the same way.

VATis paid at purchase, so which ever company has sold would pay. So Amazon's cut will already have been taxed.

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:28 am

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:46 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:25 pm

Dont forget there are lots of private sellers on amazon
1 price covers the ability to.sell to all of Europe .

Do Amazon pay there VAT ?

The next government will bring in a digital tax. This would work in exactly the same way.

VATis paid at purchase, so which ever company has sold would pay. So Amazon's cut will already have been taxed.

Amazon would trade out if Luxembourg or any other non UK country and immediately not have to charge the tax High At businesses pay.

You have not by tax increased the advantage Amazon or other online company has,

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:03 am

spen666 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:28 am

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:46 am

The next government will bring in a digital tax. This would work in exactly the same way.

VATis paid at purchase, so which ever company has sold would pay. So Amazon's cut will already have been taxed.

Amazon would trade out if Luxembourg or any other non UK country and immediately not have to charge the tax High At businesses pay.

You have not by tax increased the advantage Amazon or other online company has,

But you will reduce the advantage.

slacker wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:55 am I did enjoy Osborne getting booed at the 2012 Olympics, Johnson stuck on that zipwire, Cameron getting outed as a pig-fecker, May’s little dances and revelation about wheatfield naughtiness. That’s about it, though.

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:16 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:49 pm These so called food banks make me laugh. Local one near me, i see some of them turning up in their cars, laughing and smoking cigarettes as they come out with lots of bags of food. There are few people in this country that really know real hardship. Go abroad to Asian, far eastern countries, Africa etc and see a different picture. Some real hardship out there and food is so expensive compared to our prices and the wages/benefits received. That is why so many are queuing up to get into the UK. One persons austerity is to another ones........prosperity !

Yep. That's whats f*cking up the country, the spoiled, pampered, feckless poor. Going to the foodbanks and filling their bags with life's essentials. How f*cking dare they?

I find it dispiriting as a human being to hear working class people talk like this. Things keep getting worse and worse and I keep hoping the penny will drop for people but it just doesn't happen. The ruling class have well and truly convinced ordinary people that the sh*t end of the stick is venison and its under threat from immigrants/the disabled/single mothers/university students/the unemployed/the underemployed/the employed but underpaid/the nurses/the teachers/The Europeans etc. Delete as applicable. All the while the bastards in charge live in the most obscene opulence. How many houses does JRM have? How many bedrooms? Its the poor you see, that's where all of our wealth has gone. The Spoiled, feckless, entitled poor. Jesus christ we're in f*cking trouble.

F*ck The Poor & Fat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:38 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:27 pm

Father Ted Crilly wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:23 pm


Now I'm confused.

I care about the poor and want a government that will take us towards equality. I contribute towards foodbank charities not only with essentials but also time etc and I give to homeless charities. However, I'm also overweight and enjoy eating well. Am I part of the problem?

Or are you and your mate Sid just a pair of unpleasant, uncharitable and contemptible wankers?

No theyrapairacunts

You have absolutely no f*cking idea what I do, nor for how long. If you dare call me uncharitable again I’ll invite you to a face to face if you have the balls and we can discuss it man to man. That comment is outrageous and wrong so in the nicest sense, go f*** yourself. I do plenty but just don’t go around boasting about it, just quietly and unselfishly get on with it. An apology is needed but of course you won’t.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:10 pm

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:16 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:49 pm These so called food banks make me laugh. Local one near me, i see some of them turning up in their cars, laughing and smoking cigarettes as they come out with lots of bags of food. There are few people in this country that really know real hardship. Go abroad to Asian, far eastern countries, Africa etc and see a different picture. Some real hardship out there and food is so expensive compared to our prices and the wages/benefits received. That is why so many are queuing up to get into the UK. One persons austerity is to another ones........prosperity !

Yep. That's whats f*cking up the country, the spoiled, pampered, feckless poor. Going to the foodbanks and filling their bags with life's essentials. How f*cking dare they?

I find it dispiriting as a human being to hear working class people talk like this. Things keep getting worse and worse and I keep hoping the penny will drop for people but it just doesn't happen. The ruling class have well and truly convinced ordinary people that the sh*t end of the stick is venison and its under threat from immigrants/the disabled/single mothers/university students/the unemployed/the underemployed/the employed but underpaid/the nurses/the teachers/The Europeans etc. Delete as applicable. All the while the bastards in charge live in the most obscene opulence. How many houses does JRM have? How many bedrooms? Its the poor you see, that's where all of our wealth has gone. The Spoiled, feckless, entitled poor. Jesus christ we're in f*cking trouble.

So How much do YOU actually help the real poor in the world then ?
In actual fact I contribute a large part of my spare money to those in REAL need, but mainly abroad !
Seems like many who are left wing do a lot of shouting about all this, then BLAME the government all the time. Dont see all these left wing celebs ( who shout and cry a lot, Lilly Allen to mention just one ! ) actually taking refugees into their mansions or donating a million or so or their massive wealth, no just blame the government all the time !
If people are really worried and want to help, then forgo a few holidays abroad. Skip buying the new car or the bottles of wine and nights out at the restaurants ! As to those supposedly in need of a better diet, set up cookery classes to teach them to cook good fresh food, so much cheaper, do it myself, rather than living on takeaways and microwave meals. Do sorry, been there, done it, got the tee shirt, traveled and seen the real world. Many people in Asian countries would consider our so called austerity as........... prosperity !

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:26 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:10 pm

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:16 pm

Yep. That's whats f*cking up the country, the spoiled, pampered, feckless poor. Going to the foodbanks and filling their bags with life's essentials. How f*cking dare they?

I find it dispiriting as a human being to hear working class people talk like this. Things keep getting worse and worse and I keep hoping the penny will drop for people but it just doesn't happen. The ruling class have well and truly convinced ordinary people that the sh*t end of the stick is venison and its under threat from immigrants/the disabled/single mothers/university students/the unemployed/the underemployed/the employed but underpaid/the nurses/the teachers/The Europeans etc. Delete as applicable. All the while the bastards in charge live in the most obscene opulence. How many houses does JRM have? How many bedrooms? Its the poor you see, that's where all of our wealth has gone. The Spoiled, feckless, entitled poor. Jesus christ we're in f*cking trouble.

So How much do YOU actually help the real poor in the world then ?
In actual fact I contribute a large part of my spare money to those in REAL need, but mainly abroad !
Seems like many who are left wing do a lot of shouting about all this, then BLAME the government all the time. Dont see all these left wing celebs ( who shout and cry a lot, Lilly Allen to mention just one ! ) actually taking refugees into their mansions or donating a million or so or their massive wealth, no just blame the government all the time !
If people are really worried and want to help, then forgo a few holidays abroad. Skip buying the new car or the bottles of wine and nights out at the restaurants ! As to those supposedly in need of a better diet, set up cookery classes to teach them to cook good fresh food, so much cheaper, do it myself, rather than living on takeaways and microwave meals. Do sorry, been there, done it, got the tee shirt, traveled and seen the real world. Many people in Asian countries would consider our so called austerity as........... prosperity !

You can't solve an ocean of need with a spoonful of philanthropy as the old saying goes. Yes, I do my bit but its nowhere near enough when you've got the juggernaut of Capitalism and the state working against you. I don't have much money myself so there's a very limited amount that I can financially do. I'm always looking for ways to do more though. I did chuckle when you mentioned foreign holidays. Do you know how many times I've been abroad? Go on, guess. Would you also like to know how many holidays I've had? I mean actually packing bags and going away (somewhere in the UK). The first was some 35 or so years ago. I didn't have my second until earlier this year and it was only for three days. I don't drink either so the bottle of win insinuation is well off base. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I don't eat takeaways, chocolate, biscuits, crisps, sweets, cake or any of that stuff for health reasons.

As for the rest of your argument I'm going to let someone else point out the utter wretchedness of it because I'm tired, fed up and I just can't be bothered to explain it all again. Maybe when I've had a chill I'll point out why your attitude stinks.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:10 pm

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:16 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:49 pm These so called food banks make me laugh. Local one near me, i see some of them turning up in their cars, laughing and smoking cigarettes as they come out with lots of bags of food. There are few people in this country that really know real hardship. Go abroad to Asian, far eastern countries, Africa etc and see a different picture. Some real hardship out there and food is so expensive compared to our prices and the wages/benefits received. That is why so many are queuing up to get into the UK. One persons austerity is to another ones........prosperity !

Yep. That's whats f*cking up the country, the spoiled, pampered, feckless poor. Going to the foodbanks and filling their bags with life's essentials. How f*cking dare they?

I find it dispiriting as a human being to hear working class people talk like this. Things keep getting worse and worse and I keep hoping the penny will drop for people but it just doesn't happen. The ruling class have well and truly convinced ordinary people that the sh*t end of the stick is venison and its under threat from immigrants/the disabled/single mothers/university students/the unemployed/the underemployed/the employed but underpaid/the nurses/the teachers/The Europeans etc. Delete as applicable. All the while the bastards in charge live in the most obscene opulence. How many houses does JRM have? How many bedrooms? Its the poor you see, that's where all of our wealth has gone. The Spoiled, feckless, entitled poor. Jesus christ we're in f*cking trouble.

So How much do YOU actually help the real poor in the world then ?
In actual fact I contribute a large part of my spare money to those in REAL need, but mainly abroad !
Seems like many who are left wing do a lot of shouting about all this, then BLAME the government all the time. Dont see all these left wing celebs ( who shout and cry a lot, Lilly Allen to mention just one ! ) actually taking refugees into their mansions or donating a million or so or their massive wealth, no just blame the government all the time !
If people are really worried and want to help, then forgo a few holidays abroad. Skip buying the new car or the bottles of wine and nights out at the restaurants ! As to those supposedly in need of a better diet, set up cookery classes to teach them to cook good fresh food, so much cheaper, do it myself, rather than living on takeaways and microwave meals. Teach people the value of money and the best ways to make use of any money they have to get the best value out of what they have. Teach people to not overuse their credit cards and then end up paying massive amounts of high interest charges, practical help, about time schools taught children on how to become adults and manage their finances properly when they leave school. No sorry, been there, done it, got the tee shirt, traveled and seen the real world. Many people in Asian countries would consider our so called austerity as........... prosperity !

Admin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:42 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:10 pm

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:16 pm

Yep. That's whats f*cking up the country, the spoiled, pampered, feckless poor. Going to the foodbanks and filling their bags with life's essentials. How f*cking dare they?

I find it dispiriting as a human being to hear working class people talk like this. Things keep getting worse and worse and I keep hoping the penny will drop for people but it just doesn't happen. The ruling class have well and truly convinced ordinary people that the sh*t end of the stick is venison and its under threat from immigrants/the disabled/single mothers/university students/the unemployed/the underemployed/the employed but underpaid/the nurses/the teachers/The Europeans etc. Delete as applicable. All the while the bastards in charge live in the most obscene opulence. How many houses does JRM have? How many bedrooms? Its the poor you see, that's where all of our wealth has gone. The Spoiled, feckless, entitled poor. Jesus christ we're in f*cking trouble.

So How much do YOU actually help the real poor in the world then ?
In actual fact I contribute a large part of my spare money to those in REAL need, but mainly abroad !
Seems like many who are left wing do a lot of shouting about all this, then BLAME the government all the time. Dont see all these left wing celebs ( who shout and cry a lot, Lilly Allen to mention just one ! ) actually taking refugees into their mansions or donating a million or so or their massive wealth, no just blame the government all the time !
If people are really worried and want to help, then forgo a few holidays abroad. Skip buying the new car or the bottles of wine and nights out at the restaurants ! As to those supposedly in need of a better diet, set up cookery classes to teach them to cook good fresh food, so much cheaper, do it myself, rather than living on takeaways and microwave meals. Teach people the value of money and the best ways to make use of any money they have to get the best value out of what they have. Teach people to not overuse their credit cards and then end up paying massive amounts of high interest charges, practical help, about time schools taught children on how to become adults and manage their finances properly when they leave school. No sorry, been there, done it, got the tee shirt, traveled and seen the real world. Many people in Asian countries would consider our so called austerity as........... prosperity !

How do you know whether or not people like Lilly Allen donate money to charities dealing with the refugee crisis? If it isn't the role of government to deal with these issues, whose is it?

Your argument is that unless they house refugees themselves,people, (famous or otherwise) shouldn't point out the failings of governments across the world to deal with the migrant crisis?

Can you please explain further how me not having a holiday helps migrants and refugees? I'd like to know how many lives my 2 weeks in florida this summer equated to.

And maybe, people are maxing out credit cards to just survive, pay rent, heating and put some poor quality food on their tables - basic necessities, not luxuries. Go and google "in work poverty" and educate yourself on how children are growing up hungry and in poverty despite their parents doing their best.

Christ people like you boil my p*ss.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:47 pm Oh the Bar parenting of others ,
Without knowing any of the parenting advice that went on

That's very harsh Sid & not really that helpful.

greyhound wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:04 pm £200 heating allowance and £10 xmas gift.
maybe if labour get in it could well be £400 + £20.