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Bluecap wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:02 pm The majority of my mates who drink in the supporters club and sit with me in the west side are Conservative voters.
They make me feel I am doing something wrong supporting the Labour Party.
I now pick my games and mates.

Bluecap wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:52 pm There you go - you see I do not respect anyone who votes for Johnson.
Sorry , but my life is fine.

BuckinghamO wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:56 pm Brexit Party

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:45 pm

Bluecap wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:02 pm The majority of my mates who drink in the supporters club and sit with me in the west side are Conservative voters.
They make me feel I am doing something wrong supporting the Labour Party.
I now pick my games and mates.

It is totally irrelevant who your friends vote for and IF anyone is ridiculed for voting a different way they are not proper friends. I have many friends who have very different views to mine. That’s life and I’m very happy with it. Nothing better than a healthy disagreement whilst eating or drinking but ultimately we all respect each other’s views. Get a life!

Adz wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:35 pm Am interested to see in a straw poll what peoples voting intentions are, and then will re run this poll prior to the election to see if the electioneering made any difference

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:09 pm

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:45 pm

Bluecap wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:02 pm The majority of my mates who drink in the supporters club and sit with me in the west side are Conservative voters.
They make me feel I am doing something wrong supporting the Labour Party.
I now pick my games and mates.

It is totally irrelevant who your friends vote for and IF anyone is ridiculed for voting a different way they are not proper friends. I have many friends who have very different views to mine. That’s life and I’m very happy with it. Nothing better than a healthy disagreement whilst eating or drinking but ultimately we all respect each other’s views. Get a life!

It can be difficult to like selfish, greedy, stupid people.

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:45 pm

Bluecap wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:02 pm The majority of my mates who drink in the supporters club and sit with me in the west side are Conservative voters.
They make me feel I am doing something wrong supporting the Labour Party.
I now pick my games and mates.

It is totally irrelevant who your friends vote for and IF anyone is ridiculed for voting a different way they are not proper friends. I have many friends who have very different views to mine. That’s life and I’m very happy with it. Nothing better than a healthy disagreement whilst eating or drinking but ultimately we all respect each other’s views. Get a life!

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:58 pm

BuckinghamO wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:56 pm Brexit Party

There has to be one joker at least in the pack.

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:57 am

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:45 pm

Bluecap wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:02 pm The majority of my mates who drink in the supporters club and sit with me in the west side are Conservative voters.
They make me feel I am doing something wrong supporting the Labour Party.
I now pick my games and mates.

It is totally irrelevant who your friends vote for and IF anyone is ridiculed for voting a different way they are not proper friends. I have many friends who have very different views to mine. That’s life and I’m very happy with it. Nothing better than a healthy disagreement whilst eating or drinking but ultimately we all respect each other’s views. Get a life!

Your view sounds terribly reasonable until you exact it to the least bit of scrutiny. I don't know if your values are a mere triviality to you but to me they are pretty integral to who I am. I would no sooner break bread with an unrepentant racist or misogynist than I would for someone who has knowingly voted for a party responsible for the persecution of disabled in this country. People have died, been driven to suicide, been left vulnerable, hungry and homeless. If you voted Tory any time over the last 13 years then you know what they're about, you have access to information confirming the human tragedy perpetrated by this government and yet you still did it. That makes you a terrible human being, in my honest opinion and when someone makes it known to me that that's the way they feel about the disabled then we're done. If you hate women, we're done. If you hate people of a different race, ethnicity or religion then we're done. If you hate the disabled, we're done. I haven't even touched on the other moral crimes of this government. We could be here all day. If you vote Tory you've picked elitism, prejudice and persecution. Shame on you.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:51 pm

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:57 am

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:45 pm

It is totally irrelevant who your friends vote for and IF anyone is ridiculed for voting a different way they are not proper friends. I have many friends who have very different views to mine. That’s life and I’m very happy with it. Nothing better than a healthy disagreement whilst eating or drinking but ultimately we all respect each other’s views. Get a life!

Your view sounds terribly reasonable until you exact it to the least bit of scrutiny. I don't know if your values are a mere triviality to you but to me they are pretty integral to who I am. I would no sooner break bread with an unrepentant racist or misogynist than I would for someone who has knowingly voted for a party responsible for the persecution of disabled in this country. People have died, been driven to suicide, been left vulnerable, hungry and homeless. If you voted Tory any time over the last 13 years then you know what they're about, you have access to information confirming the human tragedy perpetrated by this government and yet you still did it. That makes you a terrible human being, in my honest opinion and when someone makes it known to me that that's the way they feel about the disabled then we're done. If you hate women, we're done. If you hate people of a different race, ethnicity or religion then we're done. If you hate the disabled, we're done. I haven't even touched on the other moral crimes of this government. We could be here all day. If you vote Tory you've picked elitism, prejudice and persecution. Shame on you.

Give me 5 other countries that don’t have poverty, vulnerable people, homeless etc. You want something that doesn’t exist. It certainly doesn’t exist in the countries that follow what I presume are you’re politics. You will just die bitter and twisted.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:51 pm

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:57 am

Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:45 pm

It is totally irrelevant who your friends vote for and IF anyone is ridiculed for voting a different way they are not proper friends. I have many friends who have very different views to mine. That’s life and I’m very happy with it. Nothing better than a healthy disagreement whilst eating or drinking but ultimately we all respect each other’s views. Get a life!

Your view sounds terribly reasonable until you exact it to the least bit of scrutiny. I don't know if your values are a mere triviality to you but to me they are pretty integral to who I am. I would no sooner break bread with an unrepentant racist or misogynist than I would for someone who has knowingly voted for a party responsible for the persecution of disabled in this country. People have died, been driven to suicide, been left vulnerable, hungry and homeless. If you voted Tory any time over the last 13 years then you know what they're about, you have access to information confirming the human tragedy perpetrated by this government and yet you still did it. That makes you a terrible human being, in my honest opinion and when someone makes it known to me that that's the way they feel about the disabled then we're done. If you hate women, we're done. If you hate people of a different race, ethnicity or religion then we're done. If you hate the disabled, we're done. I haven't even touched on the other moral crimes of this government. We could be here all day. If you vote Tory you've picked elitism, prejudice and persecution. Shame on you.

Give me 5 other countries that don’t have poverty, vulnerable people, homeless etc. You want something that doesn’t exist. It certainly doesn’t exist in the countries that follow what I presume are you’re politics. You will just die bitter and twisted.

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:56 pm Ok so what is your vision then? How do we get to this utopia, which currently does not exist?

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:56 pm Ok so what is your vision then? How do we get to this utopia, which currently does not exist?

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:32 pm

Beradogs wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:51 pm

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:57 am

Your view sounds terribly reasonable until you exact it to the least bit of scrutiny. I don't know if your values are a mere triviality to you but to me they are pretty integral to who I am. I would no sooner break bread with an unrepentant racist or misogynist than I would for someone who has knowingly voted for a party responsible for the persecution of disabled in this country. People have died, been driven to suicide, been left vulnerable, hungry and homeless. If you voted Tory any time over the last 13 years then you know what they're about, you have access to information confirming the human tragedy perpetrated by this government and yet you still did it. That makes you a terrible human being, in my honest opinion and when someone makes it known to me that that's the way they feel about the disabled then we're done. If you hate women, we're done. If you hate people of a different race, ethnicity or religion then we're done. If you hate the disabled, we're done. I haven't even touched on the other moral crimes of this government. We could be here all day. If you vote Tory you've picked elitism, prejudice and persecution. Shame on you.

Give me 5 other countries that don’t have poverty, vulnerable people, homeless etc. You want something that doesn’t exist. It certainly doesn’t exist in the countries that follow what I presume are you’re politics. You will just die bitter and twisted.

This assumption rears its ugly head a lot with right wingers. So let's throw some light on it.

The way things are is not the way that they have always been and it doesn't have to always be this way either. Its not difficult to understand.

If you'd asked someone like you in the year AD80 they'd have said that it was inconceivable that slavery wouldn't exist. If you'd asked your equivalent in the 1200's whether the Pope and the Catholic church would still be supreme in a thousand years they'd have looked at you like you had steaming dogsh*t in your mouth, of course it would. Its the most powerful institution on the planet. Popes can crush kings.

You only see what's in front of you and fail to grasp that if everything was what it looked like then we wouldn't need to investigate anything. Science would be completely pointless. Philosophy, completely pointless. History, completely pointless. The social sciences, completely pointless. You don't seem to grasp that things are constantly changing and the way in which they change is a direct result of the balance of power at any given time. The way we see things is also conditioned by the way things are structured. If you live in a slave society then you think slave societies are perfectly normal. If you live in a totalitarian state with an absolute monarch then you believe that that is totally normal.

Growing as an intellectual being is taking a step back and looking at things in perspective. Understanding that things didn't and don't have to be this way, they just are because that's how things panned out. Things don't have to stay this way but changing it is going to require some work, intellectual work, moral work and personal sacrifice.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:15 am

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:56 pm Ok so what is your vision then? How do we get to this utopia, which currently does not exist?

Vote Liberal Democrats.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:03 am Where is the ‘Greens’ option?