Independent Leyton Orient Forum

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:58 pm

Red_Army wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:17 pm Interesting that a couple of people habe said we can't afford to take chances. Surely for the first time in a long time we actually can to an extent. With only one relegation spot which we are already fairly well clear of and not too much pressure about promotion this season, the new gaffer will have a chance to build rather than get instant results.

This will be the first appointment where the club is in a good position for decades.

Whoever comes in will be a risk, experienced or not. No guarantees

But it’s exactly why we need to take the opportunity to appoint an experienced person who is more likely to be able to take on the building process without too much to worry about this season. Don’t fancy us becoming a training ground for an inexperienced person. Will be interesting when the announcement is made. Whoever it is I wish him all the luck going.

Think of it this way. We could get an experienced old head in, who could deliver us somewhere between 18th-10th, or we could go for someone with less experience but more talent on paper who could deliver us say 22nd-6th. There is more risk attached to a younger option, but there may be the potential for more reward. Given our position and minimal risk of relegation and pressure for promotion, now would be the ideal opportunity for such a move.

I'm not saying that Fletcher is the right man necessarily, but this I imagine would be the club's thinking if they were to appoint him, and to me it makes some sense.

I'm certainly surprised in a way similar to how I might feel if I sh*t myself

We didn't need inexperience in June and we certainly don't need inexperience now.

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:11 pm We didn't need inexperience in June and we certainly don't need inexperience now.

Do you think we are in a dire situation though? Do we absolutely need an experienced head to help us negotiate the fight for 15th?

Think of it this way. We could get an experienced old head in, who could deliver us somewhere between 18th-10th, or we could go for someone with less experience but more talent on paper who could deliver us say 22nd-6th. There is more risk attached to a younger option, but there may be the potential for more reward. Given our position and minimal risk of relegation and pressure for promotion, now would be the ideal opportunity for such a move.

I'm not saying that Fletcher is the right man necessarily, but this I imagine would be the club's thinking if they were to appoint him, and to me it makes some sense.
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I'm not sure why you there is only a minimal risk of relegation. I wish I had your optimism.

Red_Army wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:12 pm

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:11 pm We didn't need inexperience in June and we certainly don't need inexperience now.

Do you think we are in a dire situation though? Do we absolutely need an experienced head to help us negotiate the fight for 15th?

What’s with 15th ? We need a proven experienced manager at this level to at least get us a play off place.

Red_Army wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:12 pm

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:11 pm We didn't need inexperience in June and we certainly don't need inexperience now.

Do you think we are in a dire situation though? Do we absolutely need an experienced head to help us negotiate the fight for 15th?

The point being we don’t want to waste the opportunity we have this season to allow a new man to gain the experience we need when it shouldn’t be too difficult to recruit someone further along their career.

I’d prefer someone who could hit the ground running.

bobo66 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:14 pm Think of it this way. We could get an experienced old head in, who could deliver us somewhere between 18th-10th, or we could go for someone with less experience but more talent on paper who could deliver us say 22nd-6th. There is more risk attached to a younger option, but there may be the potential for more reward. Given our position and minimal risk of relegation and pressure for promotion, now would be the ideal opportunity for such a move.

I'm not saying that Fletcher is the right man necessarily, but this I imagine would be the club's thinking if they were to appoint him, and to me it makes some sense.

I'm not sure why you there is only a minimal risk of relegation. I wish I had your optimism.
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There has never been a less risky time to be relegated in this league. There is literally 1 relegation spot that we are already 9 points clear of, we have a whole transfer window and 33 games in the back pocket. Even without a real manager we have managed 16 points.

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:08 pm I'm certainly surprised in a way similar to how I might feel if I sh*t myself

Oh come on we've all done it when forcing out gas that surprisingly turns to a solid.

Red_Army wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:17 pm

bobo66 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:14 pm Think of it this way. We could get an experienced old head in, who could deliver us somewhere between 18th-10th, or we could go for someone with less experience but more talent on paper who could deliver us say 22nd-6th. There is more risk attached to a younger option, but there may be the potential for more reward. Given our position and minimal risk of relegation and pressure for promotion, now would be the ideal opportunity for such a move.

I'm not saying that Fletcher is the right man necessarily, but this I imagine would be the club's thinking if they were to appoint him, and to me it makes some sense.

I'm not sure why you there is only a minimal risk of relegation. I wish I had your optimism.

There has never been a less risky time to be relegated in this league. There is literally 1 relegation spot that we are already 9 points clear of, we have a whole transfer window and 33 games in the back pocket. Even without a real manager we have managed 16 points.
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And this one isn't a manager either.

The Guardian says he's manager.

Only Boris likely to have a worse win to loss ratio

About as pleased as when they gave Southgate the England job, so not very

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:18 pm

Red_Army wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:17 pm

bobo66 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:14 pm Think of it this way. We could get an experienced old head in, who could deliver us somewhere between 18th-10th, or we could go for someone with less experience but more talent on paper who could deliver us say 22nd-6th. There is more risk attached to a younger option, but there may be the potential for more reward. Given our position and minimal risk of relegation and pressure for promotion, now would be the ideal opportunity for such a move.

I'm not saying that Fletcher is the right man necessarily, but this I imagine would be the club's thinking if they were to appoint him, and to me it makes some sense.

I'm not sure why you there is only a minimal risk of relegation. I wish I had your optimism.

There has never been a less risky time to be relegated in this league. There is literally 1 relegation spot that we are already 9 points clear of, we have a whole transfer window and 33 games in the back pocket. Even without a real manager we have managed 16 points.

And this one isn't a manager either.
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Not a league manager for sure. Must have got on well with Ling. Forge a good working relationship. Etc.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:04 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:18 pm

Red_Army wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:17 pm

I'm not sure why you there is only a minimal risk of relegation. I wish I had your optimism.

There has never been a less risky time to be relegated in this league. There is literally 1 relegation spot that we are already 9 points clear of, we have a whole transfer window and 33 games in the back pocket. Even without a real manager we have managed 16 points.

And this one isn't a manager either.

Not a league manager for sure. Must have got on well with Ling. Forge a good working relationship. Etc.
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You mean play his son and agree to having Embleton as his number 2 ?

Here is his record.

1997–2004 Bournemouth apps 193 (19)
2004–2006 West Ham United 44 (3)
2005 → Watford (loan) 3 (0)
2006–2009 Crystal Palace 68 (4)
2008→ Nottingham Forest (loan) 5 (0)
2009→ Plymouth Argyle (loan) 13 (1)
2009–2012 Plymouth Argyle 88(7)
2013–2014 Barnet 3 (0)
Total 417 (34)

National team 2004–2009 Wales 36 (1)

Teams managed 2011–2013 Plymouth Argyle

Dont know much about Carl Fletcher in management but he was a decent footballer who had a good career which was recognised by the clubs he played for. Dont know whoelse was on the short list but if he does get the job we should all wish him well. I understand the clamour for experience but sometimes you watch football from a different age. And i am not a youngster.

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:15 pm Dont know much about Carl Fletcher in management but he was a decent footballer who had a good career which was recognised by the clubs he played for. Dont know whoelse was on the short list but if he does get the job we should all wish him well. I understand the clamour for experience but sometimes you watch football from a different age. And i am not a youngster.

Problem is only a very small amount of decent footballers make great managers.

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:07 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:04 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:18 pm

There has never been a less risky time to be relegated in this league. There is literally 1 relegation spot that we are already 9 points clear of, we have a whole transfer window and 33 games in the back pocket. Even without a real manager we have managed 16 points.

And this one isn't a manager either.

Not a league manager for sure. Must have got on well with Ling. Forge a good working relationship. Etc.

You mean play his son and agree to having Embleton as his number 2 ?
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No I doubt that. Ling appointed JE and he never struck me as a yes man so no reason to assume Norman Stanley will be either. It’s a punt, but who knows, maybe it will work. His win rate is worse than Ross but so what. I look forward to a vast improvement on that.

He has played at a decent level, he has represented his country plenty of times and you need that little bit extra to do that. He is young in considered terms and I'm sure his approach will be refreshing. Many have talked about the change in this league in the 2 years we've been away, the game has moved on and it would be nice if some of our fans could see that it has and move with the times.

Red_Army wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:12 pm

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:11 pm We didn't need inexperience in June and we certainly don't need inexperience now.

Do you think we are in a dire situation though? Do we absolutely need an experienced head to help us negotiate the fight for 15th?

Might as well left Ross in charge.
I like to see Kent do his man of the people rounds when we are getting a pasting every week.

Byways1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:18 pm

Red_Army wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:12 pm

Tent Keague wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:11 pm We didn't need inexperience in June and we certainly don't need inexperience now.

Do you think we are in a dire situation though? Do we absolutely need an experienced head to help us negotiate the fight for 15th?

Might as well left Ross in charge.
I like to see Kent do his man of the people rounds when we are getting a pasting every week.

Ross didn’t want the job so keeping him in charge was never an option.

So stranges as it may seem, Red Army’s point about it being no real issue this season which gives him a chance to build for the next has some merits. Would not have been my choice but if his appointment is confirmed who is to say it is the wrong one. Time will tell.

What I hope is that people don’t “hope” he fails just to say I told you so. I want him to succeed big time.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:43 pm

Byways1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:18 pm

Red_Army wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:12 pm

Do you think we are in a dire situation though? Do we absolutely need an experienced head to help us negotiate the fight for 15th?

Might as well left Ross in charge.
I like to see Kent do his man of the people rounds when we are getting a pasting every week.

Ross didn’t want the job so keeping him in charge was never an option.

So stranges as it may seem, Red Army’s point about it being no real issue this season which gives him a chance to build for the next has some merits. Would not have been my choice but if his appointment is confirmed who is to say it is the wrong one. Time will tell.

What I hope is that people don’t “hope” he fails just to say I told you so. I want him to succeed big time.

Of course he wanted the job, just didn’t get the results.
Who would not want a 80k a year job.

Kent has mentioned Bournemouth a few times in discussions and has been impressed and somewhat in awe of them.

Maybe this is the first step in us becoming a feeder club to Bournemouth.

If Fletcher is chosen, it will be a terrible decision, but I guarantee the next day we will have a video from Ling, spouting the usual bollocks, in his dreary monotone voice justifying it
I can't believe a better candidate wasn't available.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:51 pm If Fletcher is chosen, it will be a terrible decision, but I guarantee the next day we will have a video from Ling, spouting the usual bollocks, in his dreary monotone voice justifying it
I can't believe a better candidate wasn't available.

Absolutely this