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Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:34 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:38 pm The pollution in China is really bad beyond anything I've ever seen anywhere. I remember when I was in school they showed us pictures of the london soup (fog) and it's as bad as that if not worse as its every day spring summer or winter.

If you stand in Hong Kong Harbour you struggle to see the other side.

I spoke to peoe there and they said the government will only clean up the pollution once they have finsihed the infrastructure projects they are implementing which will allow the people to feed themselves. I said but this is killing the people, he replied I know, but there's 1.3bn of us and we were dying of hunger now we are dying of pollution. When it's done we will be ok and then clean up will begin, but until then it will continue.

Fantasy post lol I was in HK not long ago could see fine over the harbour the 2 weeks I was there

Don’t believe everything Mr. Miyagi is telling you

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:19 pm**

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:34 pm
Thor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:38 pm The pollution in China is really bad beyond anything I've ever seen anywhere. I remember when I was in school they showed us pictures of the london soup (fog) and it's as bad as that if not worse as its every day spring summer or winter.

If you stand in Hong Kong Harbour you struggle to see the other side.

I spoke to peoe there and they said the government will only clean up the pollution once they have finsihed the infrastructure projects they are implementing which will allow the people to feed themselves. I said but this is killing the people, he replied I know, but there's 1.3bn of us and we were dying of hunger now we are dying of pollution. When it's done we will be ok and then clean up will begin, but until then it will continue.
Fantasy post lol I was in HK not long ago could see fine over the harbour the 2 weeks I was there

Don’t believe everything Mr. Miyagi is telling you

Pop over to Beijing. Prior to the Olympics they restricted vehicles in the centre to reduce pollution, image is everything.

Have been to Hong Kong and I did detect some haze, though not like Beijing. Maybe like the London smogs, which I remember as a boy, it only happened at certain times of the year. But because much of the time visibility was fine, it certainly don’t mean it never happened. It did.

Maybe if you spent more than two weeks there you would have seen it for yourself.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:46 pm**

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:00 pm
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:17 pm What does XR have to do with Hong Kong?
Events scheduled early October.

We're in mid-October now?

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:48 pm**

Gotta say on the discussion above though, I was in HK in April and Thor appears to be describing somewhere else entirely.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:54 pm**

https://images.app.goo.gl/EUzdnXRnKRL8wY6FA

Here you go then, Hong Kong Harbour and Pollution, crack on.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:22 pm**

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:46 pm
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:00 pm
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:17 pm What does XR have to do with Hong Kong?
Events scheduled early October.
We're in mid-October now?

Yup but the events were scheduled when I said, have no idea if they took place. On their website.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:27 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:54 pm https://images.app.goo.gl/EUzdnXRnKRL8wY6FA

Here you go then, Hong Kong Harbour and Pollution, crack on.

Some people assume because they didn't see it in the days they were there it never happens. The point I was making about the London Smog. didn't happen every day, but it happened and it was terrifying. If memory serves it started the smokeless zone coal requirements. Back in the day when many houses had coal fires.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:45 pm**

Strange that this character Thor hasn’t posted up his own photos from his time there?

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:20 pm**

I haven't got an clue where they are, but suffice to say should I find them suffice to say I will post them.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:50 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:59 pm So you think it’s ok to wreck a building do you? Maybe it’s acceptable in your life, it’s not in mine.

I didn’t say it was.

I just said you were spouting bollox that you were on board with them up until this allegedly happened.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:04 pm**

No I’m still backing them as we need to change what we do. However, there is no justification for smashing property up, no justification whatsoever and all it does is question what they really are up to. Cos today it seems like the May Day stuff when the anarchists smash up central London and big business.

I was speaking to someone in central London yesterday and they said when they got to work some of these people had glued themselves to the front door so all staff had to go through a side entrance. What is the point in that?

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:10 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:04 pm No I’m still backing them as we need to change what we do. However, there is no justification for smashing property up, no justification whatsoever and all it does is question what they really are up to. Cos today it seems like the May Day stuff when the anarchists smash up central London and big business.

I was speaking to someone in central London yesterday and they said when they got to work some of these people had glued themselves to the front door so all staff had to go through a side entrance. What is the point in that?

Protest. What is point? What is point protest?

Were you off school sick when they looked at Chartism?

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:53 am**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:10 pm
Thor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:04 pm No I’m still backing them as we need to change what we do. However, there is no justification for smashing property up, no justification whatsoever and all it does is question what they really are up to. Cos today it seems like the May Day stuff when the anarchists smash up central London and big business.

I was speaking to someone in central London yesterday and they said when they got to work some of these people had glued themselves to the front door so all staff had to go through a side entrance. What is the point in that?
Protest. What is point? What is point protest?

Were you off school sick when they looked at Chartism?

So if I wish to protest about pollution and smash up your car, you would be fine about it. Fair enough.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:39 am**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:10 pm
Thor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:04 pm No I’m still backing them as we need to change what we do. However, there is no justification for smashing property up, no justification whatsoever and all it does is question what they really are up to. Cos today it seems like the May Day stuff when the anarchists smash up central London and big business.

I was speaking to someone in central London yesterday and they said when they got to work some of these people had glued themselves to the front door so all staff had to go through a side entrance. What is the point in that?
Protest. What is point? What is point protest?

Were you off school sick when they looked at Chartism?

I’m not sure that is taught is schools back then or even now. Maybe you need to be in a special left wing school to be taught that? Like Hogwarts, but named something Marxists Secdondary Modern.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:52 am**

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:39 am
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:10 pm
Thor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:04 pm No I’m still backing them as we need to change what we do. However, there is no justification for smashing property up, no justification whatsoever and all it does is question what they really are up to. Cos today it seems like the May Day stuff when the anarchists smash up central London and big business.

I was speaking to someone in central London yesterday and they said when they got to work some of these people had glued themselves to the front door so all staff had to go through a side entrance. What is the point in that?
Protest. What is point? What is point protest?

Were you off school sick when they looked at Chartism?
I’m not sure that is taught is schools back then or even now. Maybe you need to be in a special left wing school to be taught that? Like Hogwarts, but named something Marxists Secdondary Modern.

Are you ditching your 4 cars for a tandem then?

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:54 am**

Try 90% of Indonesia for haze/pollution and it affects at least 60% of South East Asia

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:01 am**

Interestingly for the first time ever renewable energy sources generated more electricity than fossil fuels in the UK. That is an amazing achievement. First time on record, since 1882. Renewable energy increased fourfold since 2010. Net zero target by 2050.

Suggests to me the UK are taking this stuff seriously.

The trick to me seems getting some other countries to do the same. Perhaps Extinction Rebellion should protest in Beijing. Now that would be interesting.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:17 am**

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:52 am
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:39 am
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:10 pm

Protest. What is point? What is point protest?

Were you off school sick when they looked at Chartism?
I’m not sure that is taught is schools back then or even now. Maybe you need to be in a special left wing school to be taught that? Like Hogwarts, but named something Marxists Secdondary Modern.
Are you ditching your 4 cars for a tandem then?

The reality is working in the city you take public transport, outside of that I don't do too many miles if I'm honest. Three of my cars did less than a 1,000 miles between them last year for example. The family car did about 10k.

Take today, its rubbish day, I take pride every week that I put out the most recycling in my road. Not because I consume the most, but because I recycle absolutely everything and my wheelie bin which I believe goes to landfill has rarely got much in it.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:21 am**

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:01 am Interestingly for the first time ever renewable energy sources generated more electricity than fossil fuels in the UK. That is an amazing achievement. First time on record, since 1882. Renewable energy increased fourfold since 2010. Net zero target by 2050.

Suggests to me the UK are taking this stuff seriously.

The trick to me seems getting some other countries to do the same. Perhaps Extinction Rebellion should protest in Beijing. Now that would be interesting.

Trouble is Nut, trying to do it yourself is proper expensive, it's not realistic to expect people to do the work to make their house zero carbon efficient. You could do away with any heating bill with a ground source heat pump, cost starting at 15k, payoff is about 13 years most people won't be in there house that long and will struggle to finance it.

The government if its serious needs to help people.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:30 am**

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:17 am
Lucky7 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:52 am
Thor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:39 am

I’m not sure that is taught is schools back then or even now. Maybe you need to be in a special left wing school to be taught that? Like Hogwarts, but named something Marxists Secdondary Modern.
Are you ditching your 4 cars for a tandem then?
The reality is working in the city you take public transport, outside of that I don't do too many miles if I'm honest. Three of my cars did less than a 1,000 miles between them last year for example. The family car did about 10k.

Take today, its rubbish day, I take pride every week that I put out the most recycling in my road. Not because I consume the most, but because I recycle absolutely everything and my wheelie bin which I believe goes to landfill has rarely got much in it.

So your still trying to justify your it’s ok I’m Thor I have 4 cars stance?

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:30 am**

I can only drive one car at a time

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:31 am**

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:01 am Interestingly for the first time ever renewable energy sources generated more electricity than fossil fuels in the UK. That is an amazing achievement. First time on record, since 1882. Renewable energy increased fourfold since 2010. Net zero target by 2050.

Suggests to me the UK are taking this stuff seriously.

The trick to me seems getting some other countries to do the same. Perhaps Extinction Rebellion should protest in Beijing. Now that would be interesting.

They would be shot on the spot

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:31 am**

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:30 am I can only drive one car at a time

Not the point is it

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:34 am**

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:39 am
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:10 pm
Thor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:04 pm No I’m still backing them as we need to change what we do. However, there is no justification for smashing property up, no justification whatsoever and all it does is question what they really are up to. Cos today it seems like the May Day stuff when the anarchists smash up central London and big business.

I was speaking to someone in central London yesterday and they said when they got to work some of these people had glued themselves to the front door so all staff had to go through a side entrance. What is the point in that?
Protest. What is point? What is point protest?

Were you off school sick when they looked at Chartism?
I’m not sure that is taught is schools back then or even now. Maybe you need to be in a special left wing school to be taught that? Like Hogwarts, but named something Marxists Secdondary Modern.

It was taught at my school. It's part of the history of the British working class to gain parliamentary representation and accountability I'm depressed that you appear to revel in your ignorance.

Posted: **Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:38 am**

Thor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:21 am
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:01 am Interestingly for the first time ever renewable energy sources generated more electricity than fossil fuels in the UK. That is an amazing achievement. First time on record, since 1882. Renewable energy increased fourfold since 2010. Net zero target by 2050.

Suggests to me the UK are taking this stuff seriously.

The trick to me seems getting some other countries to do the same. Perhaps Extinction Rebellion should protest in Beijing. Now that would be interesting.
Trouble is Nut, trying to do it yourself is proper expensive, it's not realistic to expect people to do the work to make their house zero carbon efficient. You could do away with any heating bill with a ground source heat pump, cost starting at 15k, payoff is about 13 years most people won't be in there house that long and will struggle to finance it.

The government if its serious needs to help people.

They dont sound viable to me.

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