If We Crash Out Over The Cliff

[slacker]

Heh. Somebody describing it as Souffle Saturday got it right. Johnson predictably acts the petulant teenager with his unsigned EU extension request letter, but I can still see this slightly-worse-than-May’s deal scrapping over the line, so that we then enter the next interminable phase of horsetrading with the EU & others.

I guess most voters, except policy nerds like me, aren’t bothered too much beyond the in/out headlines and personalities posturing though, because it’s had little effect on most of us yet - and just naively want this saga “done”.

[Disoriented]

If there us anyone here that studied politics at uni can they briefly explain how Boris who was not the leader at any general election continually acts as he is.
1. The bbc interviews / his speeches describe the latest proposal as "MY" as if there is no cabinet and the proposal is by him not that group,
2. Continually defiant and appearing to be attempting to manipulating the views of the other MPs on their latest "vote"
3. Disrupted parliament with its recent lapse based on the need for a queens speech using reference to some century old process
4. Gets away with the police visiting the flat - no relevance, now today I read the woman that got that grant was a dancer then a IT company owner and she states they were in a relationship
5. How does one person get to be major and then prime minister when there are so other applicants.

I'm not a labour voter

1. He is a narcissist.
2. He is a narcissist.
3. He is a narcissist.
4. He is a narcissist.
5. He is a narcissist.

Good to see the penny has finally dropped, fella.

[Disoriented]

Dis my troller ok I was hoping a person with greater basic intelligence than you may be interested in answering but hey thanks for your reply I really appreciated your effort
Not being a labour voter does not mean I support the blue lot or any of them they are all a bit like you - plenty to say, but not much in the words of any worth

Now now fella. I do you a good turn and you get all hissy.

[slacker]

Heh - Speaker Bercow is going to have the Brexit Spartans blow a gasket by refusing to allow Johnson to try his luck on his deal again today after he withdrew it Saturday. No doubt the usual Tory Rags will be fuming about traitors and “will of the people” frustraters again.

I guess it will allow MPs some time to actually read & consider it, plus permit considered amendments to be debated when it’s brought back.

[Long slender neck]

Heh - Speaker Bercow is going to have the Brexit Spartans blow a gasket by refusing to allow Johnson to try his luck on his deal again today after he withdrew it Saturday. No doubt the usual Tory Rags will be fuming about traitors and “will of the people” frustraters again.

I guess it will allow MPs some time to actually read & consider it, plus permit considered amendments to be debated when it’s brought back.

again? They havent voted on it yet.

Now a delay is inevitable, will we get an election?

[Beradogs]

Pick the little dwarf up and use him as a bowling ball.

[Long slender neck]

We're being slowly warmed up for a 2nd Ref.

[spen666]

The action of Bercow and the Remainers could end up backfiring on them.

If the EU watching this think there is no realistic chance of a resolution, then they may refuse an extension to Article 50. The EU has previously said that any extension has to be for a reason...ie to allow time for agreed legislation etc.

Now we have a situation where 2 deals the EU have agreed to have been thwarted by Parliament. One they rejected 3 times and the other they refuse to vote on.

Parliament refuse to allow there to be an election

Parliament can't agree on a referendum.

The EU may reasonably ask what good an extension to Article 50 is in the circumstances and choose not to grant an extension....In those circumstances we end up leaving with no deal because the Remainers won't accept a deal and the EU refuse to grant meaningless adjournements

[Thor]

The games are in full force now.

[Long slender neck]

Hurdle after hurdle. By new year they will have decided to hold another referendum and they will make sure it goes their way this time.

[slacker]

Caca: Johnson’s deal was amended by Letwin, and then “passed” without a division or a vote. Which is why the Speaker followed usual protocol and didn’t allow it to be re-voted today without the amendment. But don’t worry - Moggy says the Withdrawal Bill will be given a 2nd reading tomorrow, and he reckons it will all be done and dusted at its 3rd reading on Thursday, so we'll have Johnson’s lovely deal passed as legislation in all its glory. Making us a truly Great Nation once again from Friday onwards...

[Disoriented]

Caca: Johnson’s deal was amended by Letwin, and then “passed” without a division or a vote. Which is why the Speaker followed usual protocol and didn’t allow it to be re-voted today without the amendment. But don’t worry - Moggy says the Withdrawal Bill will be given a 2nd reading tomorrow, and he reckons it will all be done and dusted at its 3rd reading on Thursday, so we'll have Johnson’s lovely deal passed as legislation in all its glory. Making us a truly Great Nation once again from Friday onwards...

Er, possibly.

[Thor]

So the EU will grant us an extension, which is so very nice of them. However, they won't tell us for how long until steptoe decides if he's gonna man up and front the electorate.

The man is weak, the man is scared let the people decide who they want to implement brexit and the trouble is he knows he's gonna get labour annihilated in the election.

[tuffers#1]

So the EU will grant us an extension, which is so very nice of them. However, they won't tell us for how long until steptoe decides if he's gonna man up and front the electorate.

The man is weak, the man is scared let the people decide who they want to implement brexit and the trouble is he knows he's gonna get labour annihilated in the election.

Why does Johnson not leave his EXCELLENT BEST DEAL ever on the table for scrutiny instead?

No need for an Election .
The story party got us into this mess
Let them get us f*cking out of it !!

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

So the EU will grant us an extension, which is so very nice of them. However, they won't tell us for how long until steptoe decides if he's gonna man up and front the electorate.

The man is weak, the man is scared let the people decide who they want to implement brexit and the trouble is he knows he's gonna get labour annihilated in the election.

Brexit is not his circus; Boris and Mogg are not his monkeys. There's only one party to blame for this shitstorm.

[o-no]

So the EU will grant us an extension, which is so very nice of them. However, they won't tell us for how long until steptoe decides if he's gonna man up and front the electorate.

The man is weak, the man is scared let the people decide who they want to implement brexit and the trouble is he knows he's gonna get labour annihilated in the election.

Corbyn's no leader but has always seemed to be a principled and thoughtful man. Surely he must be aware, in those quiet moments of self-reflection, that it's him who is stymying any chance of Labour success at an election. He may not deserve such opprobrium but it's there nonetheless. The best thing he could do for his party and country is stand down.

[Real Al]

I am wondering if politicians like Mogg and labour have plenty too, have ever been employed in a real commercial industry or environment and experienced the accountability of real work

Well the moggster was an investment banker, so yes. The wonderful Jess Philips used to work in women's refuges, so maybe not so much.
Not sure what that proves though.

[Thor]

Dont forget it's the other party idiots who have done their best to stop Brexit, so don't try and tell me it's all the tories fault. Yeah sure they've not covered themselves in glory, but to force away your strongest hand (no deal) is stupidity in the extreme. Labour and all the others will face a massive day of reckoning at the next election.

[StillSpike]

Dont forget it's the other party idiots who have done their best to stop Brexit, so don't try and tell me it's all the tories fault. Yeah sure they've not covered themselves in glory, but to force away your strongest hand (no deal) is stupidity in the extreme. Labour and all the others will face a massive day of reckoning at the next election.

Is that the ERG ?

Can you explain to me how "no deal", with all the damage that our own government's threat assessments accept that it'll do the country, is our "strongest hand"?

Remember, "no deal is better than a bad deal" rings just as true for the EU (perhaps more so) than it does for the UK. It's not a bargaining hand if it a) hurts you more than the other party, or b) if you keep telling the other side that it's a bluff.

[Mikero]

"Labour and all the others will face a massive day of reckoning at the next election."

Why? This is a General Election not a Brexit Election. Do you expect the voting public to ignore the abysmal record of this government entirely? Naive.

Mikero

[Thor]

I never said we should go no deal, what we could and should have done was to utilise that card when negotiating a deal. To withdraw that threat was stupid in the extreme.

The facts are that the forecasts that the government and independents have done suggest that it's been over played, so at one point we would crash by 9% that's down to just under 5% and I'm sure it would not be even that hard by the time we get our arses in to gear. Europe know we will fly once this is done, they don't want to see that as it will increase pressure on others to do the same.

They need us more than we need them.

[Max B Gold]

I never said we should go no deal, what we could and should have done was to utilise that card when negotiating a deal. To withdraw that threat was stupid in the extreme.

The facts are that the forecasts that the government and independents have done suggest that it's been over played, so at one point we would crash by 9% that's down to just under 5% and I'm sure it would not be even that hard by the time we get our arses in to gear. Europe know we will fly once this is done, they don't want to see that as it will increase pressure on others to do the same.

They need us more than we need them.

That's bollocks but carry on

How do you know any of that stuff and words that you have scribbled out on your computer. Explain to us all why the economy will shrink by less than 5%. You do know what the impact of such a drop will mean don't you?

Why will the economy fly after we have left if we have just made trade with our biggest market more difficult and expensive?

Name one benefit of Brexit.

[Thor]

"Labour and all the others will face a massive day of reckoning at the next election."

Why? This is a General Election not a Brexit Election. Do you expect the voting public to ignore the abysmal record of this government entirely? Naive.

Mikero

Firstly that is exactly what will happen.

Secondly whilst the government could have done better I'd suggest they have not done too bad either.

France has been in recession since our last one
Italy is currently in recession
Spanish recession went on for 6 years
Germany has just entered into recession

We have one of the lowest out of work numbers ever
We have the highest numbers in work ever
The economy is growing annually
Interest rates remain low
Budget deficit is down by 2 3rds I believe
Record inward investment, yeah those pesky people outside of this great country have faith in us more than people like you
The worjds largest sovereign fund has parked it in the uk for the next 20 to 30 years cos they like to lose money dont they?

Infrastructure projects are being done throughout the country and a platform is being built to help people outside the south to gain some of the money flowing on to be spread further and better balancing the wealth gap.

Are there things that could be improved or done better? Of course there is, but the government inherited a wrecked economy which took time to fix, but as a country we are now better placed to face the future one which is free once more from a federal superstate.

Have some faith in your fellow countrymen and women, the future is bright and its gonna be painted red, white and blue.

[Mikero]

Name one benefit of Brexit.

It will make the Tories unelectable for decades?

Mikero

[Max B Gold]

"Labour and all the others will face a massive day of reckoning at the next election."

Why? This is a General Election not a Brexit Election. Do you expect the voting public to ignore the abysmal record of this government entirely? Naive.

Mikero

Firstly that is exactly what will happen.

Secondly whilst the government could have done better I'd suggest they have not done too bad either.

France has been in recession since our last one
Italy is currently in recession
Spanish recession went on for 6 years
Germany has just entered into recession

We have one of the lowest out of work numbers ever
We have the highest numbers in work ever
The economy is growing annually
Interest rates remain low
Budget deficit is down by 2 3rds I believe
Record inward investment, yeah those pesky people outside of this great country have faith in us more than people like you
The worjds largest sovereign fund has parked it in the uk for the next 20 to 30 years cos they like to lose money dont they?

Infrastructure projects are being done throughout the country and a platform is being built to help people outside the south to gain some of the money flowing on to be spread further and better balancing the wealth gap.

Are there things that could be improved or done better? Of course there is, but the government inherited a wrecked economy which took time to fix, but as a country we are now better placed to face the future one which is free once more from a federal superstate.

Have some faith in your fellow countrymen and women, the future is bright and its gonna be painted red, white and blue.

More bollocks.

You still haven't explained what the impact of a 5% contraction of the economy will be.