Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:48 am

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:12 pm

RicketyCricket wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:57 pm Still happy enough for RE to be given longer, but do feel that we're an experienced manager away from being a decent team at this level. Just need more organisation and direction to our play, we have the players to do alright.

Someone who can have a similar impact to JE when he came in, immediately brought some structure to our play and made us solid as a unit, players understanding their roles etc.

Our players are definitely goood enough to cope at this level. Not promotion but mid table. We don’t lack the players but we do lack the organisation. I sometimes wonder if the players know their roles. All too often like a bunch of players who have just met up. Disjointed, disorganised.

The board talk about improving the match day experience. It’s gonna take more than a burger van people. The matchday experience is all about what happens on the field.

Individual players might be good enough, but what about the collective team and skillsets?

For example, we don't have a huge amount of pace, are not massively mobile, do not have much creativity and incision and distribution from the back and middle is generally poor (particularly the former). So while individual players may be "good enough" in isolation, put them into the same team and you can see why things are not working out great at a higher level.

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:56 am

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:48 am

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:12 pm

Our players are definitely goood enough to cope at this level. Not promotion but mid table. We don’t lack the players but we do lack the organisation. I sometimes wonder if the players know their roles. All too often like a bunch of players who have just met up. Disjointed, disorganised.

The board talk about improving the match day experience. It’s gonna take more than a burger van people. The matchday experience is all about what happens on the field.

Individual players might be good enough, but what about the collective team and skillsets?

For example, we don't have a huge amount of pace, are not massively mobile, do not have much creativity and incision and distribution from the back and middle is generally poor (particularly the former). So while individual players may be "good enough" in isolation, put them into the same team and you can see why things are not working out great at a higher level.

We are very pacy and mobile with Angol, JMD, Dennis and/or Brophy up top.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:58 pm I totally blame Ross for that defeat tonight . That's another game we shouldn't have lost but did thanks to his tactical inexperience . Why take off Gorman and Dennis . As soon as those two went off the game changed in Crewe's favour . Yet another reason proven tonight why we need to bring in an experienced manager . The team was doing fine yet Ross seems to make substitutions just for the sake of it . The team was doing fine , just leave things alone . A word about Dale Gorman. I've been one of his biggest critics but tonight he played the best I've ever seen him play for us . I thought he was outstanding tonight . Our problems really started when he came off because that invited Crewe onto us . Well done Dale , just carry on playing like that and you'll be just fine . On Saturday , Dale and Louis has to stay on for the full 90 minutes unless injured . Ross should only change the team if we're losing , not while it's doing good .

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:55 am

MrB wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:59 pm Just seen the replay of the JMD penalty...Looks even worse

Straight out of the David Mooney "how to miss a penalty" reference manual

Bergen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:37 am When Lincoln and Danny Cowley got promoted from the NL two years ago, they had 12 pts after nine games. We have 9 pts. after nine games.

No need to panic.

RientO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:15 am

Bergen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:37 am When Lincoln and Danny Cowley got promoted from the NL two years ago, they had 12 pts after nine games. We have 9 pts. after nine games.

No need to panic.

Agree. I thought getting anything out of last three games would be good and but for a couple of late goals,, it may have been 4 points from 3 sides in the top 4.

Season gets going from here on in. Orient have to start winning at home (haven't won at home since opener and lost last three). Port Vale, Walsall and Carlisle are the games which will give a good indication where the Os are currently at. If Os lose all of those then there will be panic...

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:58 pm I totally blame Ross for that defeat tonight . That's another game we shouldn't have lost but did thanks to his tactical inexperience . Why take off Gorman and Dennis . As soon as those two went off the game changed in Crewe's favour . Yet another proven reason tonight why we need to bring in an experienced manager . The team was doing fine yet Ross seems to make substitutions just for the sake of it . The team was doing fine , just leave things alone . A word about Dale Gorman. I've been one of his biggest critics but tonight he played the best I've ever seen him play for us . I thought he was outstanding tonight . Our problems really started when he came off because that invited Crewe onto us . Well done Dale , just carry on playing like that and you'll be just fine . On Saturday , Dale and Louis has to stay on for the full 90 minutes unless injured . Ross should only change the team if we're losing , not while it's doing good .

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:16 am

RientO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:15 am

Bergen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:37 am When Lincoln and Danny Cowley got promoted from the NL two years ago, they had 12 pts after nine games. We have 9 pts. after nine games.

No need to panic.

Agree. I thought getting anything out of last three games would be good and but for a couple of late goals,, it may have been 4 points from 3 sides in the top 4.

Season gets going from here on in. Orient have to start winning at home (haven't won at home since opener and lost last three). Port Vale, Walsall and Carlisle are the games which will give a good indication where the Os are currently at. If Os lose all of those then there will be panic...

Lose those three at its welcome back to the National League for us.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:26 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:16 am

RientO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:15 am

Agree. I thought getting anything out of last three games would be good and but for a couple of late goals,, it may have been 4 points from 3 sides in the top 4.

Season gets going from here on in. Orient have to start winning at home (haven't won at home since opener and lost last three). Port Vale, Walsall and Carlisle are the games which will give a good indication where the Os are currently at. If Os lose all of those then there will be panic...

Lose those three at its welcome back to the National League for us.

Even if it's only one club to go down this season we're going to be battling to avoid the drop . Make no mistake we're heading for trouble .We actually played quite well last night until Ross made the substitutions which gave Crewe the upper hand .

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:27 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:26 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:16 am

Lose those three at its welcome back to the National League for us.

Even if it's only one club to go down this season we're going to be battling to avoid the drop . Make no mistake we're heading for trouble .We actually played quite well last night until Ross made the substitutions which gave Crewe the upper hand .

Maybe he's missing the NL and wants to do everything possible to get us back there.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:33 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:27 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:26 am

Even if it's only one club to go down this season we're going to be battling to avoid the drop . Make no mistake we're heading for trouble .We actually played quite well last night until Ross made the substitutions which gave Crewe the upper hand .

Maybe he's missing the NL and wants to do everything possible to get us back there.

As soon as Ross made the substitutions last night we were on the back foot .

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:56 am

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:48 am

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:12 pm

Our players are definitely goood enough to cope at this level. Not promotion but mid table. We don’t lack the players but we do lack the organisation. I sometimes wonder if the players know their roles. All too often like a bunch of players who have just met up. Disjointed, disorganised.

The board talk about improving the match day experience. It’s gonna take more than a burger van people. The matchday experience is all about what happens on the field.

Individual players might be good enough, but what about the collective team and skillsets?

For example, we don't have a huge amount of pace, are not massively mobile, do not have much creativity and incision and distribution from the back and middle is generally poor (particularly the former). So while individual players may be "good enough" in isolation, put them into the same team and you can see why things are not working out great at a higher level.

We are very pacy and mobile with Angol, JMD, Dennis and/or Brophy up top.

Surreyclive wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:32 pm Defence is the big issue. Their guy glided past Ling and crossed the ball to create the winner. Only one team-Scunthorpe has let in more goals than we have. Says it all.