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RoryRocks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:01 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:36 pm Was not at the game (work committments) but during the week i suggested maybe Ogie could play at left back if Widdowson was unavailable. He is more than capable of facing Crawley and as he was given a contract the management should be a little braver in team selection. Playing Brophy out of position does not help the team or Brophy. Good win against Mansfield everyone feeling positive the perfect time for Ogie to play.

I agree. I would be happy enough to see Ogie in the squad now that Widdowson is out. Young Sweeney too. Well, one of them will do.

If the management don't trust them to come in and cover when required what's the point of giving them pro contracts? Not like they've looked out of place in the game time they've had either.

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:17 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:08 pm

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:04 pm

We were as good as down to 10 men when Alabi came on !!

That's got nothing to do with my question. You just threw your usual hissy fit because you can't help but act like a child when things don't go our way.

Oh so losing 3-2 to Crawley was things going your way, your weird and clearly devoid of rightful emotion.

Again, you just don't have the brainpower to understand a simple point. I've not said anything about today's result going our way. I'm just mature enough to not have a strop at every little thing that goes against us. Shame that you're not.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:25 pm

RoryRocks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:01 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:36 pm Was not at the game (work committments) but during the week i suggested maybe Ogie could play at left back if Widdowson was unavailable. He is more than capable of facing Crawley and as he was given a contract the management should be a little braver in team selection. Playing Brophy out of position does not help the team or Brophy. Good win against Mansfield everyone feeling positive the perfect time for Ogie to play.

I agree. I would be happy enough to see Ogie in the squad now that Widdowson is out. Young Sweeney too. Well, one of them will do.

If the management don't trust them to come in and cover when required what's the point of giving them pro contracts? Not like they've looked out of place in the game time they've had either.

What game time?

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:24 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:25 pm

RoryRocks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:01 pm

I agree. I would be happy enough to see Ogie in the squad now that Widdowson is out. Young Sweeney too. Well, one of them will do.

If the management don't trust them to come in and cover when required what's the point of giving them pro contracts? Not like they've looked out of place in the game time they've had either.

What game time?

Sweeney played in one of the cups I think it was last season.

The yoof need to be trusted.

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:37 pm On comes Alabi and immediately the Crawley defence breathe a huge sigh of relief.

Spot on, couldn't agree with you more, as an impact substitute zero, one cross then now't

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:25 pm Actually that's one thing that Ross will have to explain today. Wilkinson was getting battered by their defenders and needed a break, Harrold was ideal for that but Alabi comes on and does... ummm...

Diddly Squat I think is the term your looking for, personally I think he was sh*te

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:33 pm Ross has a lot to answer for tonight - we were defensively and tactically inept today.

So disappointing from such a good start, your right about Ross

Bringing Alabi on to play on the right was bizarre. What was worse was they aimed every long ball at him. What has he done in the year he's been here to show that he can win the ball in the air and hold up play? He can't do it. Tactically naive, tried to force a goal by throwing everyone forward but couldn't control possession.

Orient didn't play well yesterday apart from a couple of spells - mainly down to Brophy, Clay, Dennis and Angol being positive and playing the ball along the ground. There's no clear way that Orient play. They're already into their 3rd formation of the season. The ball rarely goes through the midfield, they just try and pick up the 2nd ball. It's pointless having 2 players that can pass if the CBs just launch it into the channels. Speaking of the defence. I don't know what's happened to them but Coulson (top scorer in open play since January) and Ekpiteta were like headless chickens in their own box today, it's not for the first time this season.

It's been clear for a long time that they need a right back. Ling isn't good enough, Judd is very raw, Turley 'does a job' there. That right back hasn't come - doesn't take a genius to work out why. It was clear they needed a couple of midfielders, one of those only came this week.

A game completely thrown away. An example of tactical ineptness from our Interim management.

LOFC1948 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:32 pm A game completely thrown away. An example of tactical ineptness from our Interim management.

,,,,,and on that note please see Spurs.

LOFC1948 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:32 pm A game completely thrown away. An example of tactical ineptness from our Interim management.

Another circus has arrived in town
The ineptness of 11 players threw the game away
I’d love to know what games some of you actually watch

It was our defence that threw that game away yesterday , not our midfield or attack. I'm still trying to get over that horrendous third goal. All our defenders had their backs towards Palmer who simply ran in unchallenged to score . I hope our defence doesn't start becoming our problem area .

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:29 pm Orient didn't play well yesterday apart from a couple of spells - mainly down to Brophy, Clay, Dennis and Angol being positive and playing the ball along the ground. There's no clear way that Orient play. They're already into their 3rd formation of the season. The ball rarely goes through the midfield, they just try and pick up the 2nd ball. It's pointless having 2 players that can pass if the CBs just launch it into the channels. Speaking of the defence. I don't know what's happened to them but Coulson (top scorer in open play since January) and Ekpiteta were like headless chickens in their own box today, it's not for the first time this season.

Suspect we were watching different games. Going forward we were great to watch yesterday and if we had taken a couple of our chances the game would have been out of sight

jamespevans wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:37 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:29 pm Orient didn't play well yesterday apart from a couple of spells - mainly down to Brophy, Clay, Dennis and Angol being positive and playing the ball along the ground. There's no clear way that Orient play. They're already into their 3rd formation of the season. The ball rarely goes through the midfield, they just try and pick up the 2nd ball. It's pointless having 2 players that can pass if the CBs just launch it into the channels. Speaking of the defence. I don't know what's happened to them but Coulson (top scorer in open play since January) and Ekpiteta were like headless chickens in their own box today, it's not for the first time this season.

Suspect we were watching different games. Going forward we were great to watch yesterday and if we had taken a couple of our chances the game would have been out of sight

You must be easily pleased. That was not great to watch.

I thought first half was great, other than the score line. Second half less so after they equalised and went in front, and we lost our way. But lots of potential to be excited about.

Dennis and Angol are exciting prospects going forward for sure.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:42 pm Dennis and Angol are exciting prospects going forward for sure.

Absolutely . They look like two very exciting players and early indications are their our two best players. I've just watching the Ollie Palmer after match interview on You Tube and I've got to say I've got a lot of respect for Ollie. I wish him every success season , except of course for when they play us at Crawley .

Agreed. No ill feelings towards the fella.

What have we learned so far?
With five at the back, four and a half games - one goal
With four at the back, one and a half games - five goals and vastly more entertaining to watch.
It has been well documented that for five to work you need wing backs which we don't have.
It must equally be said that for four to work you need full backs that can defend and with Brophy and Judd we were found wanting.
Maybe when Widdowson and Ling are back it may be an improvement.
It was also disappointing to see Marvin struggling. Early days yet but he seems to be the player finding most difficulty in stepping up to league two.
Would Dan be better? Possibly but with Josh there would be a worrying lack of pace.
All in all quite a dilemma for our coaching staff to grapple with.

Forty-Niner wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:12 pm What have we learned so far?
With five at the back, four and a half games - one goal
With four at the back, one and a half games - five goals and vastly more entertaining to watch.
It has been well documented that for five to work you need wing backs which we don't have.
It must equally be said that for four to work you need full backs that can defend and with Brophy and Judd we were found wanting.
Maybe when Widdowson and Ling are back it may be an improvement.
It was also disappointing to see Marvin struggling. Early days yet but he seems to be the player finding most difficulty in stepping up to league two.
Would Dan be better? Possibly but with Josh there would be a worrying lack of pace.
All in all quite a dilemma for our coaching staff to grapple with.

I largely agree. Been thinking about this and have concluded that there is an imbalance in the squad. We have the defenders for 5-3-2 (personally I think Brophy and Ling are OK as wing-backs, but no cover) and forwards better suited to 4-4-2 (you wouldn't have four wingers in a squad set up for 5-3-2). No wonder Ross doesn't know his best formation.

We also missed Timmo forking around at half time. Lils looked lost without his partner and didn't really put much of a shift in tbf.

Omygawd wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:39 pm We also missed Timmo forking around at half time. Lils looked lost without his partner and didn't really put much of a shift in tbf.

He's a lazy git.

Rambling Man wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:43 am

Forty-Niner wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:12 pm What have we learned so far?
With five at the back, four and a half games - one goal
With four at the back, one and a half games - five goals and vastly more entertaining to watch.
It has been well documented that for five to work you need wing backs which we don't have.
It must equally be said that for four to work you need full backs that can defend and with Brophy and Judd we were found wanting.
Maybe when Widdowson and Ling are back it may be an improvement.
It was also disappointing to see Marvin struggling. Early days yet but he seems to be the player finding most difficulty in stepping up to league two.
Would Dan be better? Possibly but with Josh there would be a worrying lack of pace.
All in all quite a dilemma for our coaching staff to grapple with.

I largely agree. Been thinking about this and have concluded that there is an imbalance in the squad. We have the defenders for 5-3-2 (personally I think Brophy and Ling are OK as wing-backs, but no cover) and forwards better suited to 4-4-2 (you wouldn't have four wingers in a squad set up for 5-3-2). No wonder Ross doesn't know his best formation.

Don't want to harp on about it but Ling was totally at fault for the first. Never anticipated the ball being shifted left (his area) and stood off the attacking player allowing him loads of time to get the pass into the six yard box. I've noticed a few times in teh last few of games his tendency to tuck in and allow wingers way too much space.

jamespevans wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:27 pm

Rambling Man wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:43 am

Forty-Niner wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:12 pm What have we learned so far?
With five at the back, four and a half games - one goal
With four at the back, one and a half games - five goals and vastly more entertaining to watch.
It has been well documented that for five to work you need wing backs which we don't have.
It must equally be said that for four to work you need full backs that can defend and with Brophy and Judd we were found wanting.
Maybe when Widdowson and Ling are back it may be an improvement.
It was also disappointing to see Marvin struggling. Early days yet but he seems to be the player finding most difficulty in stepping up to league two.
Would Dan be better? Possibly but with Josh there would be a worrying lack of pace.
All in all quite a dilemma for our coaching staff to grapple with.

I largely agree. Been thinking about this and have concluded that there is an imbalance in the squad. We have the defenders for 5-3-2 (personally I think Brophy and Ling are OK as wing-backs, but no cover) and forwards better suited to 4-4-2 (you wouldn't have four wingers in a squad set up for 5-3-2). No wonder Ross doesn't know his best formation.

Don't want to harp on about it but Ling was totally at fault for the first. Never anticipated the ball being shifted left (his area) and stood off the attacking player allowing him loads of time to get the pass into the six yard box. I've noticed a few times in teh last few of games his tendency to tuck in and allow wingers way too much space.

Standby for the aliases set up by club employees to leap to his defence.