Exiles thread - Charlton (H)

[Chief crazy horse]

Think ultimately we aren't quite a top 6 side. Our results and performances against the teams around us haven't been good, and it's been a consistent enough issue that mitigating factors like injuries or tiredness don't hold up. The better teams in the division seem to be able to press us high up the pitch and expose how physically limited our central midfield is.

Even being in contention for the play offs is a superb achievement for a club of our size and it's been a great season. Our run in is pretty favourable so it's possible we could still nab 6th place. But I wouldn't back us to progress against any of those sides around us, save for maybe Wrexham.

Nothing 'superb' about being in the play offs from division one.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Think ultimately we aren't quite a top 6 side. Our results and performances against the teams around us haven't been good, and it's been a consistent enough issue that mitigating factors like injuries or tiredness don't hold up. The better teams in the division seem to be able to press us high up the pitch and expose how physically limited our central midfield is.

Even being in contention for the play offs is a superb achievement for a club of our size and it's been a great season. Our run in is pretty favourable so it's possible we could still nab 6th place. But I wouldn't back us to progress against any of those sides around us, save for maybe Wrexham.

Nothing 'superb' about being in the play offs from division one.

Jesus Christ

[Chief crazy horse]

You should try and stop acting like an idiot.

[Hoover Attack]

Think ultimately we aren't quite a top 6 side. Our results and performances against the teams around us haven't been good, and it's been a consistent enough issue that mitigating factors like injuries or tiredness don't hold up. The better teams in the division seem to be able to press us high up the pitch and expose how physically limited our central midfield is.

Even being in contention for the play offs is a superb achievement for a club of our size and it's been a great season. Our run in is pretty favourable so it's possible we could still nab 6th place. But I wouldn't back us to progress against any of those sides around us, save for maybe Wrexham.

Yeah , I would agree with that . I think ultimately they have bigger and stronger squads than us . Money talks and the top six all have it .

Absolutely disagree. There are not six better sides than us in this division.

People seem to forget we have an absolute injury crisis at the back. Our 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice centre backs are all out. Our first choice RB and make shift CB is also out injured. If we have one or two of those. Ack, we are a completely different team.

[Mistadobalina]

Think ultimately we aren't quite a top 6 side. Our results and performances against the teams around us haven't been good, and it's been a consistent enough issue that mitigating factors like injuries or tiredness don't hold up. The better teams in the division seem to be able to press us high up the pitch and expose how physically limited our central midfield is.

Even being in contention for the play offs is a superb achievement for a club of our size and it's been a great season. Our run in is pretty favourable so it's possible we could still nab 6th place. But I wouldn't back us to progress against any of those sides around us, save for maybe Wrexham.

Yeah , I would agree with that . I think ultimately they have bigger and stronger squads than us . Money talks and the top six all have it .

Absolutely disagree. There are not six better sides than us in this division.

People seem to forget we have an absolute injury crisis at the back. Our 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice centre backs are all out. Our first choice RB and make shift CB is also out injured. If we have one or two of those. Ack, we are a completely different team.

Maybe. But this is the issue with having 2 centre backs who are injury prone. Happe, who has been magnificent this season, seems to get lengthy knocks every year. Simpson has struggled to stay fit all season.

I thought at the time losing Beckles would do it for our hopes of properly challenging, he was nailed on player of the season.

There's definitely been an element of bad luck derailing us a little. Poor refereeing decisions, injuries and suspensions to key players, ridiculous schedule. And having deeper pockets means luck is a little less important.

[Hoover Attack]

Fair comment on Happe and Simpsons attendance records.

[Mistadobalina]

Think ultimately we aren't quite a top 6 side. Our results and performances against the teams around us haven't been good, and it's been a consistent enough issue that mitigating factors like injuries or tiredness don't hold up. The better teams in the division seem to be able to press us high up the pitch and expose how physically limited our central midfield is.

Even being in contention for the play offs is a superb achievement for a club of our size and it's been a great season. Our run in is pretty favourable so it's possible we could still nab 6th place. But I wouldn't back us to progress against any of those sides around us, save for maybe Wrexham.

Nothing 'superb' about being in the play offs from division one.

Of course there is. We are competing with teams with 2, 3x the budget we have. If you can't enjoy seasons like this, which will probably be at worst out 4th highest finish in the last 40 years, then I struggle to see what enjoyment you could ever get out of Orient.

[Hoover Attack]

I’m not sure he’s here for enjoyment

[Chief crazy horse]

Think ultimately we aren't quite a top 6 side. Our results and performances against the teams around us haven't been good, and it's been a consistent enough issue that mitigating factors like injuries or tiredness don't hold up. The better teams in the division seem to be able to press us high up the pitch and expose how physically limited our central midfield is.

Even being in contention for the play offs is a superb achievement for a club of our size and it's been a great season. Our run in is pretty favourable so it's possible we could still nab 6th place. But I wouldn't back us to progress against any of those sides around us, save for maybe Wrexham.

Nothing 'superb' about being in the play offs from division one.

Of course there is. We are competing with teams with 2, 3x the budget we have. If you can't enjoy seasons like this, which will probably be at worst out 4th highest finish in the last 40 years, then I struggle to see what enjoyment you could ever get out of Orient.

Who says I haven't been enjoying this season.....that's your interpretation.

[gshaw]

Maybe. But this is the issue with having 2 centre backs who are injury prone. Happe, who has been magnificent this season, seems to get lengthy knocks every year. Simpson has struggled to stay fit all season.

Yup add James into that as well. With him and Happe you're lucky to get half a season out of each. They're somewhat part of the furniture of modern Orient but being ruthless probably need to move both on if we want to challenge top 6 L1 or beyond.

As versatile a player Galbraith is we really needed a Currie-esque RB yesterday to deal with quick strong wingers. Clare ultimately becoming a CM (effectively replacing Warrington who wasn't up to it) means that RB spot still needs sorting in the long run.

Also the EFL are going out their way to detail us as usual, even Richie alluded to it yesterday as regards the fixture schedule. Between that and the red card farce I really do believe there's a bias against the club at FA / EFL level.

[RedDwarf 1881]

Maybe. But this is the issue with having 2 centre backs who are injury prone. Happe, who has been magnificent this season, seems to get lengthy knocks every year. Simpson has struggled to stay fit all season.

Yup add James into that as well. With him and Happe you're lucky to get half a season out of each. They're somewhat part of the furniture of modern Orient but being ruthless probably need to move both on if we want to challenge top 6 L1 or beyond.

As versatile a player Galbraith is we really needed a Currie-esque RB yesterday to deal with quick strong wingers. Clare ultimately becoming a CM (effectively replacing Warrington who wasn't up to it) means that RB spot still needs sorting in the long run.

Also the EFL are going out their way to detail us as usual, even Richie alluded to it yesterday as regards the fixture schedule. Between that and the red card farce I really do believe there's a bias against the club at FA / EFL level.

At times , it certainly feels like it . In the last few days we've had a player sent off for nothing . Two clear penalty handballs waved away and two goals allowed against us even though there was a foul on one our player before they scored . Well they should be happy at the moment . All the top big money clubs occupy the top six places

[Chief crazy horse]

Charlton beat us on every metric
Outplayed us
Out muscled us, we were looking for fouls as they played on
Won-the second balls
We were ponderous in build up play,,too many backwards/sideways passes
First half struggled to put two passes together
And Charlton outsung us
No complaints,,they deserved the win

Yes, that's about the truth of it. We would have been very lucky coming away with the three points. The wheels haven't necessarily come off but zero points out of nine at this stage of the season indicates that the wheel nuts must have loosened. And I don't buy the excuses that we played three good teams and have injury worries. If we have any ideas of championship football then we should be doing better than this. Lets hope we can turn it around again...who knows, it's a funny old game.

[Mistadobalina]

Maybe. But this is the issue with having 2 centre backs who are injury prone. Happe, who has been magnificent this season, seems to get lengthy knocks every year. Simpson has struggled to stay fit all season.

Also the EFL are going out their way to detail us as usual, even Richie alluded to it yesterday as regards the fixture schedule. Between that and the red card farce I really do believe there's a bias against the club at FA / EFL level.

For what possible reason? Are the refs being briefed to f*ck us over? What cabal of fa suits are going to be rigging the system against us?

This kind of tin foil thinking should go straight in the bin. We've had a few rough decisions in a week, and a brutal schedule that's come about because the clubs involved have all had extended cup runs.

[gshaw]

Maybe. But this is the issue with having 2 centre backs who are injury prone. Happe, who has been magnificent this season, seems to get lengthy knocks every year. Simpson has struggled to stay fit all season.

Also the EFL are going out their way to detail us as usual, even Richie alluded to it yesterday as regards the fixture schedule. Between that and the red card farce I really do believe there's a bias against the club at FA / EFL level.

For what possible reason? Are the refs being briefed to f*ck us over? What cabal of fa suits are going to be rigging the system against us?

This kind of tin foil thinking should go straight in the bin. We've had a few rough decisions in a week, and a brutal schedule that's come about because the clubs involved have all had extended cup runs.

Think back to when Richie slated the refereeing last season and the constant touchline bans and extrapolate outwards. Feel free to tell Richie he's wrong for questioning what's going on...

As for where it started, I'd go back to the Olympic Stadium when we were being a nuisance to politicians who wanted West Ham as a tenant then onwards from the Bechetti saga when we embarrassed the EFL worldwide with the pitch protest.

[Real Al]

Richie gets touchline bans cos he's a gobby Manc, who doesn't know when to shut up.

I suspect the truth is that the EFL barely think about us at all.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Also the EFL are going out their way to detail us as usual, even Richie alluded to it yesterday as regards the fixture schedule. Between that and the red card farce I really do believe there's a bias against the club at FA / EFL level.

For what possible reason? Are the refs being briefed to f*ck us over? What cabal of fa suits are going to be rigging the system against us?

This kind of tin foil thinking should go straight in the bin. We've had a few rough decisions in a week, and a brutal schedule that's come about because the clubs involved have all had extended cup runs.

Think back to when Richie slated the refereeing last season and the constant touchline bans and extrapolate outwards. Feel free to tell Richie he's wrong for questioning what's going on...

As for where it started, I'd go back to the Olympic Stadium when we were being a nuisance to politicians who wanted West Ham as a tenant then onwards from the Bechetti saga when we embarrassed the EFL worldwide with the pitch protest.

I know you’ve been spouting this for about 8 years but it doesn’t sound any less mental.

The thought of someone meeting our next ref in a phone box on a Friday night and hinting at some bad things happening to said ref if he isn’t biased against Leyton Orient the next day genuinely makes me laugh.

You’re confusing the general incompetence of the efl and giving them too much credit that they’d actually be able to organise anything as nefarious when they can’t even organise their own competition properly

[gshaw]

For what possible reason? Are the refs being briefed to f*ck us over? What cabal of fa suits are going to be rigging the system against us?

This kind of tin foil thinking should go straight in the bin. We've had a few rough decisions in a week, and a brutal schedule that's come about because the clubs involved have all had extended cup runs.

Think back to when Richie slated the refereeing last season and the constant touchline bans and extrapolate outwards. Feel free to tell Richie he's wrong for questioning what's going on...

As for where it started, I'd go back to the Olympic Stadium when we were being a nuisance to politicians who wanted West Ham as a tenant then onwards from the Bechetti saga when we embarrassed the EFL worldwide with the pitch protest.

I know you’ve been spouting this for about 8 years but it doesn’t sound any less mental.

The thought of someone meeting our next ref in a phone box on a Friday night and hinting at some bad things happening to said ref if he isn’t biased against Leyton Orient the next day genuinely makes me laugh

Does a professional player in League 1 driving across London with a holdall full of cash for match fixing bribes sound mental too? As that happened within the last decade and would've been equally laughed out when watching the match highlights at the time.

There's big money in football now, you sound like you'd be surprised if there was corruption, I'd be surprised if there isn't.

On top of that I absolutely believe there are suits at the FA who would seek to "make an example" of managers and clubs who refuse to tow the line regarding performance of match officials.

[Mistadobalina]

Starting at the point of a few decisions going against us and a difficult schedule, and winding up at a conspiracy at the highest levels of government to punish a lower league football team for pushing to rent the Olympics stadium nearly a decade ago, is so deranged I quite like it. Can't wait for the itv dramatisation with Rory Kinnear playing Gshaw in 5 years time.

If you don't have any evidence at all that we're being disproportionately stiffed Vs other clubs (and bearing in mind that the fans of basically every club are convinced the authorities are out to get them), you can appreciate it all sounds a little far fetched.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Think back to when Richie slated the refereeing last season and the constant touchline bans and extrapolate outwards. Feel free to tell Richie he's wrong for questioning what's going on...

As for where it started, I'd go back to the Olympic Stadium when we were being a nuisance to politicians who wanted West Ham as a tenant then onwards from the Bechetti saga when we embarrassed the EFL worldwide with the pitch protest.

I know you’ve been spouting this for about 8 years but it doesn’t sound any less mental.

The thought of someone meeting our next ref in a phone box on a Friday night and hinting at some bad things happening to said ref if he isn’t biased against Leyton Orient the next day genuinely makes me laugh

Does a professional player in League 1 driving across London with a holdall full of cash for match fixing bribes sound mental too? As that happened within the last decade and would've been equally laughed out when watching the match highlights at the time.

There's big money in football now, you sound like you'd be surprised if there was corruption, I'd be surprised if there isn't.

On top of that I absolutely believe there are suits at the FA who would seek to "make an example" of managers and clubs who refuse to tow the line regarding performance of match officials.

Absolutely believe there’s corruption but where there’s a benefit. What exactly is the benefit to the efl for singling us out? Who’s gaining from us staying in league one? They’ve been pretty unsuccessful in the last few years considering our success.

Considering you’re all about shaking off the little leyton orient moniker, you sound incredibly tinpot

[Scuba Diver]

I'm sure there's no conspiracy as such. That would deem the suits in question had some kind of organisational ability, when in contrast I imagine they could f*** up a cup of coffee.

However, asked off the bat if they'd prefer Charlton/Bolton/Huddersfield back in "their" Championship, rather than Orient... I imagine privately they'd take the first 3 as it brings weight to "their" brand.

All of which is complete rubbish of course but I imagine that's how they would see it, and as we have been out of the second-grade for 43 years we're probably seen as little more than upstarts.

[PKM]

At Leyton underground station after the match it was a shame that a bunch of O’s supporters were ‘giving it large’ to Charlton fans, with the added safety of being on the opposite platform, ie O’s supporters heading towards Epping/Hainault.
Said ‘supporters’ thought it was a good idea to lob plastic bottles full of water across to the other platform.
Ofcourse, apart from the fact they shouldn’t be doing it, their target of Charlton fans included O’s fans as well.
The train pulled into our platform heading towards Stratford, but that didn’t stop them lobbing bottles over the train. They narrowly missed our group, but there were kids there as well.
Absolute pi55 poor behaviour from these fans & that sort of things gives us & football fans a bad name.

[Mistadobalina]

Why are Wycombe and Stockport doing so well then? Why weren't Wrexham gifted decisions given they are much a bigger deal media wise? How are clubs like Luton, Brentford, Bournemouth etc making it to the prem, often doing well at that level, ahead of much bigger clubs like Leeds or Sunderland?

What form is this influence taking - are the EFL leaning on refs before games by briefing them? Why did the ref give a foul when he could've easily given a goal yesterday?

Find it sadly small time when fans talk like this. We've had bad decisions against us that are much more easily explained by application of rules that have been badly written (now ok to block off a keeper from a corner, anything involving both feet going off the ground being a red etc).

[RedDwarf 1881]

Think ultimately we aren't quite a top 6 side. Our results and performances against the teams around us haven't been good, and it's been a consistent enough issue that mitigating factors like injuries or tiredness don't hold up. The better teams in the division seem to be able to press us high up the pitch and expose how physically limited our central midfield is.

Even being in contention for the play offs is a superb achievement for a club of our size and it's been a great season. Our run in is pretty favourable so it's possible we could still nab 6th place. But I wouldn't back us to progress against any of those sides around us, save for maybe Wrexham.

Nothing 'superb' about being in the play offs from division one.

By mid November I was getting concerned about us being involved in a relegation battle this season . Therefore in my opinion to finish in a play off spot would be a superb achievement and represent another season of improvement.

[Hoover Attack]

Is there a conspiracy against us specifically? I highly doubt it.

Do bigger clubs hold more sway and get preferential treatment, be it operational matters or refereeing decisions? Of course.

[gshaw]

What exactly is the benefit to the efl for singling us out?

Shutting down dissent from Richie in particular, who's now being advised to choose his words very carefully by our own media team. He absolutely laid into the officials just before all the touchline ban stuff started (which again seemed very targeted at him in particular as time went on, with the opposition managers allowed to get away with the same behaviours he was then punished for)

The way PGMOL and the FA handle criticism of referees is to fine anyone who speaks out and shut down the conversation. That's a scandal in itself. Just been reading completely unrelated comments on socials from Prem level fans about how bad they are at the top level, something has to change.

The Coote stuff recently gave a glimpse into the attitudes being held by officials behind closed doors, again a thorough PR job done on that one to try and sweep it under the carpet asap.