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Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 9:31 am CEB, I made the point about it not being cost effective before the point about illegality. The point about the illegality is not that the companies wouldn't wish to do it (although I still contend that the data collected already is far more valuable than peoples conversations) but the sheer amount of people who would have to know about it, including the most junior of software engineers in a whole load of related companies, means that keeping the lid on it would be impossible. All for something that adds next to nothing and is a bit crap?

I didn't refer to the cost of data storage, I guestimated electricity costs for processing. However you do it, the costs are massive.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:03 am Very creepy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-65772154

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:04 am no mate, you don’t understand. When they’ve been caught, they were *obviously* doing it, and it’d be bizarre not to think they were, and the customers were obviously deluded to think they might have privacy.

But when they haven’t been caught, it’s crazy to think that there’s any link at all between the fact that a device with a mic and an internet connection might have any relevance to the fact that sometimes wildly unlikely coincidences happen where your device shows you something related to something you just discussed.

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:06 am Ceb - er, no because I only had a stab at the processing costs, making the assumption that holding the actual recording would be daft.

Hoover - that's not a gotcha, it proves my point. If the data was constantly being recorded rather than just the recordings that we have agreed to be recorded after using the wake word, why was that not found?

All the cases where big tech have been fined or settled have been cases where they have skirted on the edges of the law or have used data we have consented to be collected in unlawful ways, which is much easier to hide but keeps getting found out. Covert always on recording and analysis would involve a massive conspiracy involving almost everyone on the supply chain but there's not been a sniff of it.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:07 am

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:04 am no mate, you don’t understand. When they’ve been caught, they were *obviously* doing it, and it’d be bizarre not to think they were, and the customers were obviously deluded to think they might have privacy.

But when they haven’t been caught, it’s crazy to think that there’s any link at all between the fact that a device with a mic and an internet connection might have any relevance to the fact that sometimes wildly unlikely coincidences happen where your device shows you something related to something you just discussed.

You say that but I can think of quite a few examples where a thing I've talked about, never having typed or googled about it or anything, has been advertised to me. That absolutely proves that the mic isn't being used and it's just a coincidence.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:15 am You are obviously the beekeeping target demographic.

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:04 am
Getting beekeeping courses advertised to me after chatting to my wife, who barely uses social media, about whether she’s gonna continue beekeeping or give it up, and I said “well I can help with the physical side of it, but I don’t know anything about bees”

Mick McQuaid wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:59 am

CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:04 am
Getting beekeeping courses advertised to me after chatting to my wife, who barely uses social media, about whether she’s gonna continue beekeeping or give it up, and I said “well I can help with the physical side of it, but I don’t know anything about bees”

Meta knows you and your partner are linked. However dormant you are on social media, you have signed up for the collection and sharing of data between WhatsApp and Facebook and them having an in depth picture of your network of contacts- you dont have to be active but having multiple contacts interested in a niche hobby would increase the chances of you having some involvement yourself.

I would imagine someone into beekeeping has left some digital trace of looking for information or buying supplies, most obvious would be being in a beekeeping group and having a quick look but it doesnt need to be that obvious.

What does everyone do when they are considering making a change - a couple of idle searches or a message to someone on WhatsApp. We are told the content of messages on WhatsApp isn't shared, and I believe that (again on the basis of practically rather than not wishing to pry) but metadata on who when and where absolutely is.

It's obviously pointless to try and change your mind, but for someone who prides themselves on their ability to consider and change their views based on new information, can you not see how much you are grasping at straws to maintain your position on this?

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 12:01 pm We could always try an experiment.

Everyone on here pick a subject that you have no interest in, and have never even considered having an interest in (and, I guess, would be considered unusual for your age / demographic / friends group). Then, without googling about it, or leaving any other digital footprint about it, have a couple of verbal conversations on the subject in earshot of your Alexa / Phone etc. Then let's see if you get served any ads about it over the next few days.

I did consider a similar experiment where I would wonder aloud about the logistics of "taking out" a certain very wealthy individual who's prone to flinging his arms around in a way redolent of 1930's Germany, but decided that might be leaving myself open to all sorts of unintended consequences.