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ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:46 pm

this referendum has split this country in two, to the point people actually hate each other. A pal of mines girlfriend dumped him because the family are remainers, and her family are leavers ffs...thats how bad its getting.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:14 am The fella clearly is a Fud - just leave it at that.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:26 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:14 am The fella clearly is a Fud - just leave it at that.

Ok. As long as you are not just humouring me and you really think he is a FUD. I'm not convinced you do as FUD must be capitalised at all times.

West Side Story wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:24 am The Sunday Times has printed leaked government documents warning of food, medicine and fuel shortages in a no-deal scenario.
It says the cross-government paper on preparations for a no-deal Brexit, codenamed Operation Yellowhammer, reveals the UK could also face months of disruption at its ports, while plans to avoid a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland are unlikely to prove sustainable.
The dossier, reported by the Sunday Times, says leaving the EU without a deal could lead to:
Fresh food becoming less available and prices rising
A hard Irish border after plans to avoid checks fail, sparking protests
Fuel becoming less available and 2,000 jobs being lost if the government sets petrol import tariffs to 0%, potentially causing two oil refineries to close
UK patients having to wait longer for medicines, including insulin and flu vaccines
A rise in public disorder and community tensions resulting from a shortage of food and drugs
Passengers being delayed at EU airports, Eurotunnel and Dover
Freight disruption at ports lasting up to three months, caused by customs checks, before traffic flow improves to 50-70% of the current rate
The government said the document was not what it expected to happen, but was an outline of scenarios being looked at as part of its no-deal preparations.

This from a Murdoch owned Arch Tory paper......................What was it the Brexiter's were saying about " Project Fear ". If we are going to jump off the cliff edge at Halloween, where do I get my parachute issued from? Brexiteers when replying, please note my penultimate sentence. ( I will explain that means next from last sentence- if you are still supporting Brexit you will obviously need that explaining to you ).

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:00 pm

West Side Story wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:24 am The Sunday Times has printed leaked government documents warning of food, medicine and fuel shortages in a no-deal scenario.
It says the cross-government paper on preparations for a no-deal Brexit, codenamed Operation Yellowhammer, reveals the UK could also face months of disruption at its ports, while plans to avoid a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland are unlikely to prove sustainable.
The dossier, reported by the Sunday Times, says leaving the EU without a deal could lead to:
Fresh food becoming less available and prices rising
A hard Irish border after plans to avoid checks fail, sparking protests
Fuel becoming less available and 2,000 jobs being lost if the government sets petrol import tariffs to 0%, potentially causing two oil refineries to close
UK patients having to wait longer for medicines, including insulin and flu vaccines
A rise in public disorder and community tensions resulting from a shortage of food and drugs
Passengers being delayed at EU airports, Eurotunnel and Dover
Freight disruption at ports lasting up to three months, caused by customs checks, before traffic flow improves to 50-70% of the current rate
The government said the document was not what it expected to happen, but was an outline of scenarios being looked at as part of its no-deal preparations.

This from a Murdoch owned Arch Tory paper......................What was it the Brexiter's were saying about " Project Fear ". If we are going to jump off the cliff edge at Halloween, where do I get my parachute issued from? Brexiteers when replying, please note my penultimate sentence. ( I will explain that means next from last sentence- if you are still supporting Brexit you will obviously need that explaining to you ).

This^
You have to ask yourself why would a government take the country over a cliff, and make life really hard for its population?

I dont know, but I bet somewhere, those in control stand to make a load of money from the chaos

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:26 pm Gina Miller is a courageous individual.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:20 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:26 pm Gina Miller is a courageous individual.

Jesus

BoniO wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:32 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:20 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:26 pm Gina Miller is a courageous individual.

Jesus

Yeah, he was alright too.

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:00 am In simple terms we voted to leave, and it is obvious that there are two ways of leaving, either with a deal or without one.

Cameron promised the government would deliver on the result of the referendum (as did Her Majesty's Opposition), and over three years on they’ve failed to do so, and politicians and people are still arguing about it.

One really couldn’t make this up.

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:14 am

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:00 am In simple terms we voted to leave, and it is obvious that there are two ways of leaving, either with a deal or without one.

Cameron promised the government would deliver on the result of the referendum (as did Her Majesty's Opposition), and over three years on they’ve failed to do so, and politicians and people are still arguing about it.

One really couldn’t make this up.

For the hard of thinking, like you, the reason they're arguing about it is because as time has gone on they've realised that a no deal brexit would ruin this country.

People who would still vote for brexit now, after all the facts that have come out since the vote, need to be taken out of the gene pool immediately.

Mikero wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:42 pm The shutting of the gate on 1st November is another Churchillian gesture toward the EU just to make sure they don't offer any deal. On the surface it is a 'look we are being hard' towards the any leavers thinking of voting for the Brexit party, just as they did we the vans with 'we will find you and send you back', or words to that effect on the side, not in a language that an Illegal immigrant would be able to read but in English.

Mikero

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:16 pm

Mikero wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:42 pm The shutting of the gate on 1st November is another Churchillian gesture toward the EU just to make sure they don't offer any deal. On the surface it is a 'look we are being hard' towards the any leavers thinking of voting for the Brexit party, just as they did we the vans with 'we will find you and send you back', or words to that effect on the side, not in a language that an Illegal immigrant would be able to read but in English.

Mikero

I read it as the govt playing a bargaining chip.

Forty-Niner wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:23 am

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:46 pm

this referendum has split this country in two, to the point people actually hate each other. A pal of mines girlfriend dumped him because the family are remainers, and her family are leavers ffs...thats how bad its getting.

I know many remainers and leavers. No hatred involved, we all agree to disagree.
This statement by COYO is probably an attempt at hyperbole and as such not to be taken too seriously.
As for his pal's girlfriend: to quote the Bard, "The course of true love never did run smooth".

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:38 am

admin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:46 pm Time is the only solution. The genie's well out of the bottle on this one and it'll take generations for the divides to heal.

Only one generation. Can’t wait for the racist old f*ckers to die off.

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:52 pm

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:38 am

admin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:46 pm Time is the only solution. The genie's well out of the bottle on this one and it'll take generations for the divides to heal.

Only one generation. Can’t wait for the racist old f*ckers to die off.

The idea that it's all the fault of the oldies is simplistic to say the least. Yes, as age increased the Leave vote increased but this impact is skewed by the very low turnout of the youngest group of voters (the strongest supporters of Remain). In the 18-24 age group the turnout was only 36% - only just over 1 in 3 (73% in favour of Remain). Turnout in the 25-35 age group was still only 58% (62% in favour of Remain)

The turnout in the 2 oldest groups (55-64 and 65+) are both in the early 80%'s (57% and 60% leave respectively)

It could easily be argued that if the younger voters had got off their arses and voted then we would have had a very different result. I'm not raising this as a finger pointing exercise but it is appropriate to point out that it's not just the oldies who bear the blame for the shitfest we're going through.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:36 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:52 pm

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:38 am

Only one generation. Can’t wait for the racist old f*ckers to die off.

The idea that it's all the fault of the oldies is simplistic to say the least. Yes, as age increased the Leave vote increased but this impact is skewed by the very low turnout of the youngest group of voters (the strongest supporters of Remain). In the 18-24 age group the turnout was only 36% - only just over 1 in 3 (73% in favour of Remain). Turnout in the 25-35 age group was still only 58% (62% in favour of Remain)

The turnout in the 2 oldest groups (55-64 and 65+) are both in the early 80%'s (57% and 60% leave respectively)

It could easily be argued that if the younger voters had got off their arses and voted then we would have had a very different result. I'm not raising this as a finger pointing exercise but it is appropriate to point out that it's not just the oldies who bear the blame for the shitfest we're going through.

If there was a 2nd vote i gaurentee they wouldnt make the same mistake twice.
Still we can but dream