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We don't yet know the reasons Richie wants out, we're just guessing.CEB wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:06 pm The long & short of it is that the things that’d need to be in place to attract a manager who wants to take us to the next level are the things that’d need to be in place to keep Wellens happy. So if Wellens goes, it’s reasonable to infer that the next manager will be hired on the basis of not demanding the resources Wellens will (unless they somehow manage to hire someone who thinks he can push orient to the next level on a budget)
It is bizarreRedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:01 pm By the way some of you are talking you want him to go . Are you mad ? Richie is one of the best managers we’ve ever had.
Totally agree with you about his quality. Is he holding the club to ransom, though?BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:32 pmIt is bizarreRedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:01 pm By the way some of you are talking you want him to go . Are you mad ? Richie is one of the best managers we’ve ever had.
Sure manager betting odds are not much of a reliable indicator. But 1/4 makes me sit up a bit.CEB wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:39 am 1: the odds don’t matter. The market is almost entirely made up of people on message boards either insuring against something they don’t want to happen or chancing their arm on a rumour about which they know as much as we do
2: Richie not being present at things doesn’t hint that he’s off. The club not being casually open about why hints that something is off
3: the club shouldn’t be expected to make statements about everything people get antsy about, but the current pattern of events combined with radio silence from the club is exactly in keeping with a reasonable policy of “we won’t say anything official until there’s something official to say”
4: three becomes more pertinent when you consider that we’re the club to issue any reassurances about the manager that they couldn’t keep, it would go down very badly with fans who renewed season tickets after a reassurance, who were then less than impressed with the replacement
5: the season is over. Have a little break. In a week you can start moaning about how late we’re leaving transfer activity again
What he has here is everything he’s wanted as a manager. There is zero indication he wants to leave yet fans are already wondering who his replacement will be. Almost to the point of obsession.Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:35 pmTotally agree with you about his quality. Is he holding the club to ransom, though?BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:32 pmIt is bizarreRedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:01 pm By the way some of you are talking you want him to go . Are you mad ? Richie is one of the best managers we’ve ever had.
Having said that, he must know that he is popular with the fans and he is building something here.
Maybe waiting to see who replacement isLong slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:11 am Will people really not renew if he goes?
As a fan of a couple of decades, it doesnt feel like a choice.
Yes, everything except the opportunity to progress to a higher level any time soon, and make a decent go of it.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:40 pmWhat he has here is everything he’s wanted as a manager. There is zero indication he wants to leave yet fans are already wondering who his replacement will be. Almost to the point of obsession.Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:35 pmTotally agree with you about his quality. Is he holding the club to ransom, though?
Having said that, he must know that he is popular with the fans and he is building something here.
I don’t buy that. Bournemouth, Luton and Brentford all got into and maintained life in the Championship with a stadium of a similar size to ours.LeytonOstone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:01 pmYes, everything except the opportunity to progress to a higher level any time soon, and make a decent go of it.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:40 pmWhat he has here is everything he’s wanted as a manager. There is zero indication he wants to leave yet fans are already wondering who his replacement will be. Almost to the point of obsession.Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:35 pm
Totally agree with you about his quality. Is he holding the club to ransom, though?
Having said that, he must know that he is popular with the fans and he is building something here.
It's a well known fact that with our ground hamstrung by an inadequate capacity, we wouldn't be able to compete financially in the Championship. And a new, bigger ground is 10 years away. So he either puts up and shuts up with that, knowing that if we went up, there'd be no decent resources for the squad and we become another Rotherham for 10 years, or he can possibly progress to Championship football at a bigger club with greater resources (and decent sized stadium).
What would you do?
LeytonOstone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:01 pmYes, everything except the opportunity to progress to a higher level any time soon, and make a decent go of it.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:40 pmWhat he has here is everything he’s wanted as a manager. There is zero indication he wants to leave yet fans are already wondering who his replacement will be. Almost to the point of obsession.Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:35 pm
Totally agree with you about his quality. Is he holding the club to ransom, though?
Having said that, he must know that he is popular with the fans and he is building something here.
It's a well known fact that with our ground hamstrung by an inadequate capacity, we wouldn't be able to compete financially in the Championship. And a new, bigger ground is 10 years away. So he either puts up and shuts up with that, knowing that if we went up, there'd be no decent resources for the squad and we become another Rotherham for 10 years, or he can possibly progress to Championship football at a bigger club with greater resources (and decent sized stadium).
What would you do?
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Exactly ,Biggsy.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:40 pmWhat he has here is everything he’s wanted as a manager. There is zero indication he wants to leave yet fans are already wondering who his replacement will be. Almost to the point of obsession.Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:35 pmTotally agree with you about his quality. Is he holding the club to ransom, though?
Having said that, he must know that he is popular with the fans and he is building something here.
Poppycock.RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:01 pm By the way some of you are talking you want him to go . Are you mad ? Richie is one of the best managers we’ve ever had.
So you don't think Richie is one of the best managers this club has ever had . You're hard to please .Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:10 pmPoppycock.RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:01 pm By the way some of you are talking you want him to go . Are you mad ? Richie is one of the best managers we’ve ever had.
I'm merely reiterating pretty much what Nigel, Kent and Mark Devlin have said recently about the future sustainability of the club. They themselves recognise we are in a very difficult situation. If you were Richie would you not seriously consider the option of managing a club that does not have the financial constraints we have, and would no doubt pay you more money to do so (and is on your home patch to boot)?BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:04 pmI don’t buy that. Bournemouth, Luton and Brentford all got into and maintained life in the Championship with a stadium of a similar size to ours.LeytonOstone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:01 pmYes, everything except the opportunity to progress to a higher level any time soon, and make a decent go of it.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:40 pm
What he has here is everything he’s wanted as a manager. There is zero indication he wants to leave yet fans are already wondering who his replacement will be. Almost to the point of obsession.
It's a well known fact that with our ground hamstrung by an inadequate capacity, we wouldn't be able to compete financially in the Championship. And a new, bigger ground is 10 years away. So he either puts up and shuts up with that, knowing that if we went up, there'd be no decent resources for the squad and we become another Rotherham for 10 years, or he can possibly progress to Championship football at a bigger club with greater resources (and decent sized stadium).
What would you do?
They all had bigger stadiums than ours, and two of them knew they would be moving to even larger ones fairly soon.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:04 pmI don’t buy that. Bournemouth, Luton and Brentford all got into and maintained life in the Championship with a stadium of a similar size to ours.LeytonOstone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:01 pmYes, everything except the opportunity to progress to a higher level any time soon, and make a decent go of it.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:40 pm
What he has here is everything he’s wanted as a manager. There is zero indication he wants to leave yet fans are already wondering who his replacement will be. Almost to the point of obsession.
It's a well known fact that with our ground hamstrung by an inadequate capacity, we wouldn't be able to compete financially in the Championship. And a new, bigger ground is 10 years away. So he either puts up and shuts up with that, knowing that if we went up, there'd be no decent resources for the squad and we become another Rotherham for 10 years, or he can possibly progress to Championship football at a bigger club with greater resources (and decent sized stadium).
What would you do?
Bournemouth’s average attendance in their first year in the Championship was 9,114 their promotion season to the Championship was 6,852.OyinbO wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:57 pmThey all had bigger stadiums than ours, and two of them knew they would be moving to even larger ones fairly soon.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:04 pmI don’t buy that. Bournemouth, Luton and Brentford all got into and maintained life in the Championship with a stadium of a similar size to ours.LeytonOstone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:01 pm
Yes, everything except the opportunity to progress to a higher level any time soon, and make a decent go of it.
It's a well known fact that with our ground hamstrung by an inadequate capacity, we wouldn't be able to compete financially in the Championship. And a new, bigger ground is 10 years away. So he either puts up and shuts up with that, knowing that if we went up, there'd be no decent resources for the squad and we become another Rotherham for 10 years, or he can possibly progress to Championship football at a bigger club with greater resources (and decent sized stadium).
What would you do?
Actually , I wouldn't mind us becoming another Rotherham . Championship football peppered with successful seasons in League One . That doesn't sound too bad to me .LeytonOstone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:01 pmYes, everything except the opportunity to progress to a higher level any time soon, and make a decent go of it.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:40 pmWhat he has here is everything he’s wanted as a manager. There is zero indication he wants to leave yet fans are already wondering who his replacement will be. Almost to the point of obsession.Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:35 pm
Totally agree with you about his quality. Is he holding the club to ransom, though?
Having said that, he must know that he is popular with the fans and he is building something here.
It's a well known fact that with our ground hamstrung by an inadequate capacity, we wouldn't be able to compete financially in the Championship. And a new, bigger ground is 10 years away. So he either puts up and shuts up with that, knowing that if we went up, there'd be no decent resources for the squad and we become another Rotherham for 10 years, or he can possibly progress to Championship football at a bigger club with greater resources (and decent sized stadium).
What would you do?
I understand where you are coming from. It's possible (but nowadays increasingly unlikely/unusual).BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:16 pmBournemouth’s average attendance in their first year in the Championship was 9,114 their promotion season to the Championship was 6,852.OyinbO wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:57 pmThey all had bigger stadiums than ours, and two of them knew they would be moving to even larger ones fairly soon.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:04 pm
I don’t buy that. Bournemouth, Luton and Brentford all got into and maintained life in the Championship with a stadium of a similar size to ours.
Luton’s last year in league one was 9,516. Their first in the Championship 7,863 even if you take into account the few games that covid affected, the next full season at that level was 9,921.
Brentford was 7,716 in their final year in league one. In the Championship, it ranged from 10,822 to 10,257.
Luton and Bournemouth clearly show a big new stadium isn’t necessary to be competitive at this level and to aim for promotion.
We need investors with a lot of money, not more bums on seats with the club saddled with 10s of millions of debt paying for a new stadium.
Sustainability is the key word here. Getting into the Championship through a freak season, or having a generational talent in charge, is one thing. Staying there for more than a season is another. Luton, Bournemouth and Brentford all attracted crowds that were greater in size than our ground can currently hold - relying on the ownership to subsidise extraordinary operating losses is all well and good until they lose interest/go mad/die/are revealed as a crook/other business interests go tits up/war breaks out in their home country etc etc and then there's a real risk of plummet and existential crisis again. Far better to build a Club that can sustain itself at that level with a more ordinary level of operating loss, because you can find 15,000 bums to roll up week in, week out, and then when your owners decide they've had enough, you're a more attractive proposition.LeytonOstone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:36 pmI understand where you are coming from. It's possible (but nowadays increasingly unlikely/unusual).BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:16 pmBournemouth’s average attendance in their first year in the Championship was 9,114 their promotion season to the Championship was 6,852.
Luton’s last year in league one was 9,516. Their first in the Championship 7,863 even if you take into account the few games that covid affected, the next full season at that level was 9,921.
Brentford was 7,716 in their final year in league one. In the Championship, it ranged from 10,822 to 10,257.
Luton and Bournemouth clearly show a big new stadium isn’t necessary to be competitive at this level and to aim for promotion.
We need investors with a lot of money, not more bums on seats with the club saddled with 10s of millions of debt paying for a new stadium.
However regarding
"What he has here is everything he’s wanted as a manager."
we can't be sure. I'd hazard he is very ambitious, and we know regarding future Championship sustainability (big investors, deep pockets, bigger ground), we are merely 'if and buts', whereas a team like Barnsley are a certainty.