Independent Leyton Orient Forum

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:17 pm Unlucky freak og to lose a football match, but we are toothless. Not only that but we are slow, not direct enough, and too many players not of the quality required.
Wellens tried to change it, but the raw materials he's working with ar'nt good enough.
Abysmal

I totally agree . Every time we go a goal down I think we're as good as beaten . Our defence only needs to make one mistake and we're in trouble .

Story of O wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:20 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:12 pm

Story of O wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:03 pm

What’s happening in January?

We will obviously be making signings, we look on our arse atm. I know the board have talked about having a set budget but they will not want to risk a relegation and they will find some funds for a new forward player at least.

I can’t recall the last January where we actually signed players who made a difference

Think Sadlier and Turns were pretty important last January.

Of our next 9 games, only two of them are against sides who are below us in the table. We have to play Bolton twice, Portsmouth, Derby and Blackpool in that run. I just can't see where our goals are coming from at all and I fear that we are going to end up in a big relegation scrap.

essexfootball wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:42 pm The thing is and It has always been my main negative on Wellens is a lack of a plan b, every team gets injuries, suspensions, it's how you cope with them

Well that's right, Wellens, seems to be immune from any criticism on this board. ' We just need a striker' has been the cry for a long time now and the problem will be solved. Nonsense. As Joe said, it runs a lot deeper than that,. Of course it does. This acute inability we have of sticking the ball in the back of the net is as much the responsibility of the manager as it is the players.

Harlow wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 1:54 pm

Harlow wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 1:31 pm Off thread but 2 ex Os playing for Eastleigh v Reading on tv. Paul Mccallum and Nigel Attanga. PM has scored 16 already this season. Perhaps if we had him we might score a few headers

And PM scores!!

Ended up with 2 goals

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:44 pm

essexfootball wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:42 pm The thing is and It has always been my main negative on Wellens is a lack of a plan b, every team gets injuries, suspensions, it's how you cope with them

Well that's right, Wellens, seems to be immune from any criticism on this board. ' We just need a striker' has been the cry for a long time now and the problem will be solved. Nonsense. As Joe said, it runs a lot deeper than that,. Of course it does. This acute inability we have of sticking the ball in the back of the net is as much the responsibility of the manager as it is the players.

Proper striker needed that get double figures, it’s not rocket science.The board need to get in the real world and stop being cheapskates, if they are not capable bring in people with the finances that are.

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:57 pm

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:44 pm

essexfootball wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:42 pm The thing is and It has always been my main negative on Wellens is a lack of a plan b, every team gets injuries, suspensions, it's how you cope with them

Well that's right, Wellens, seems to be immune from any criticism on this board. ' We just need a striker' has been the cry for a long time now and the problem will be solved. Nonsense. As Joe said, it runs a lot deeper than that,. Of course it does. This acute inability we have of sticking the ball in the back of the net is as much the responsibility of the manager as it is the players.

Proper striker needed that get double figures, it’s not rocket science.The board need to get in the real world and stop being cheapskates, if they are not capable bring in people with the finances that are.

We have to be careful because of the FFP ruling . Look at what's just happened to Everton . Saying that , of course a striker like that would be desirable but is it doable . I'm not sure .

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:57 pm

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:44 pm

essexfootball wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:42 pm The thing is and It has always been my main negative on Wellens is a lack of a plan b, every team gets injuries, suspensions, it's how you cope with them

Well that's right, Wellens, seems to be immune from any criticism on this board. ' We just need a striker' has been the cry for a long time now and the problem will be solved. Nonsense. As Joe said, it runs a lot deeper than that,. Of course it does. This acute inability we have of sticking the ball in the back of the net is as much the responsibility of the manager as it is the players.

Proper striker needed that get double figures, it’s not rocket science.The board need to get in the real world and stop being cheapskates, if they are not capable bring in people with the finances that are.

These 'double figures' strikers you talk about. Is there a guarantee that if they don't reach that target we will get reimbursed the transfer fee ?

Football isn’t as simple as ‘we’re not scoring goals, let’s get a new striker’.

The issue as Richie said is we don’t have enough experience out on the pitch in how to manage and win games.

I called out our central spine of Happe, Turns, El Miz and Brown as being too ‘nice’ in the week, it’s effectively the same thing.

I have just watched the game (at Viaplay). This was shocking.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:30 pm Football isn’t as simple as ‘we’re not scoring goals, let’s get a new striker’.

The issue as Richie said is we don’t have enough experience out on the pitch in how to manage and win games.

I called out our central spine of Happe, Turns, El Miz and Brown as being too ‘nice’ in the week, it’s effectively the same thing.

7 of the players on the pitch today won the league last year, how can they not have enough experience to manage and win games?

Then the five players who came on two won the league last year, Piggott is an experienced senior pro, Gailbraith has played plenty of football and Ayegi is 26, it's a complete cop out by Wellens

Brynn - 23, 1 full season with Swindon last year.
Turns - 21, half a season with us last year.
Cooper - 23, 60 league games ever.
El Miz - 23, 1 full season with us last year.
Brown - 22, this is his breakout season.
Sanders - 24, 45 league games ever.
Ruel - 23, had 3 full(ish) seasons of league football.
Shackford - 19, no prior experience.

Hunt (28), James (27) and Theo (25) are the only ones anywhere near being considered as senior pros, and of those Theo is the only wily one.

We are clearly massively inexperienced, especially through the spine of the team where you need a little bit of nous.

No way is Theo only 25, just not having it. If he was African people would be calling for an enquiry.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:40 pm Brynn - 23, 1 full season with Swindon last year.
Turns - 21, half a season with us last year.
Cooper - 23, 60 league games ever.
El Miz - 23, 1 full season with us last year.
Brown - 22, this is his breakout season.
Sanders - 24, 45 league games ever.
Ruel - 23, had 3 full(ish) seasons of league football.
Shackford - 19, no prior experience.

Hunt (28), James (27) and Theo (25) are the only ones anywhere near being considered as senior pros, and of those Theo is the only wily one.

We are clearly massively inexperienced, especially through the spine of the team where you need a little bit of nous.

Sorry to burst your bubble there are 11 teams with a lower average age...

Richie picks the team, there is more than enough experience in that squad, most of them just won the league

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league- ... bewerb/GB3

essexfootball wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:17 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:40 pm Brynn - 23, 1 full season with Swindon last year.
Turns - 21, half a season with us last year.
Cooper - 23, 60 league games ever.
El Miz - 23, 1 full season with us last year.
Brown - 22, this is his breakout season.
Sanders - 24, 45 league games ever.
Ruel - 23, had 3 full(ish) seasons of league football.
Shackford - 19, no prior experience.

Hunt (28), James (27) and Theo (25) are the only ones anywhere near being considered as senior pros, and of those Theo is the only wily one.

We are clearly massively inexperienced, especially through the spine of the team where you need a little bit of nous.

Sorry to burst your bubble there are 11 teams with a lower average age...

Richie picks the team, there is more than enough experience in that squad, most of them just won the league

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league- ... bewerb/GB3

He’s also conveniently (and hilariously) missed out the fact that Pratley & Moncur alone have 800+ league games between them. Add in the 150+ of Dan Agyei and the numbers start stacking up

So we have Wellens complaining about lack of experience and then leaves 3 blokes with a total of almost 1,000 league games under their belts on the bench. (Ok, Agyei is just coming into the side after length injury so he gets a pass for that one.)

essexfootball wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:17 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:40 pm Brynn - 23, 1 full season with Swindon last year.
Turns - 21, half a season with us last year.
Cooper - 23, 60 league games ever.
El Miz - 23, 1 full season with us last year.
Brown - 22, this is his breakout season.
Sanders - 24, 45 league games ever.
Ruel - 23, had 3 full(ish) seasons of league football.
Shackford - 19, no prior experience.

Hunt (28), James (27) and Theo (25) are the only ones anywhere near being considered as senior pros, and of those Theo is the only wily one.

We are clearly massively inexperienced, especially through the spine of the team where you need a little bit of nous.

Sorry to burst your bubble there are 11 teams with a lower average age...

Richie picks the team, there is more than enough experience in that squad, most of them just won the league

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league- ... bewerb/GB3

The average age of the team that started today, as listed out above, is 23.

Not sure what you're referencing, but I refuse to accept there are 11 clubs putting out younger starting teams than that.

23 is a really young average age, regardless of anyone else. But it's not just the age, it's the amount of league games the player has played, and also the level at which those games have been played. And we're lacking in all those areas. It's also the positions - our only experience is with the wide players, our core, our spine, is ridiculously inexperienced.

If you refuse to accept that lack of experience is the fundamental flaw with our current starting XI and something we need to put right in January, then fair enough, I can't help you with that.

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:24 pm

essexfootball wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:17 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:40 pm Brynn - 23, 1 full season with Swindon last year.
Turns - 21, half a season with us last year.
Cooper - 23, 60 league games ever.
El Miz - 23, 1 full season with us last year.
Brown - 22, this is his breakout season.
Sanders - 24, 45 league games ever.
Ruel - 23, had 3 full(ish) seasons of league football.
Shackford - 19, no prior experience.

Hunt (28), James (27) and Theo (25) are the only ones anywhere near being considered as senior pros, and of those Theo is the only wily one.

We are clearly massively inexperienced, especially through the spine of the team where you need a little bit of nous.

Sorry to burst your bubble there are 11 teams with a lower average age...

Richie picks the team, there is more than enough experience in that squad, most of them just won the league

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league- ... bewerb/GB3

He’s also conveniently (and hilariously) missed out the fact that Pratley & Moncur alone have 800+ league games between them. Add in the 150+ of Dan Agyei and the numbers start stacking up

So we have Wellens complaining about lack of experience and then leaves 3 blokes with a total of almost 1,000 league games under their belts on the bench. (Ok, Agyei is just coming into the side after length injury so he gets a pass for that one.)

I've not conveniently missed anyone out, I've just stated the ages of the starting XI today.

Richie obviously thought that was a problem and brought on the vastly experienced Prats and Moncs at half time. The problem with both those experienced players is they're on their last legs and arguably shouldn't be playing at L1 level anymore, which is why younger, inexperienced kids are being picked ahead of them.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:40 pm Brynn - 23, 1 full season with Swindon last year.
Turns - 21, half a season with us last year.
Cooper - 23, 60 league games ever.
El Miz - 23, 1 full season with us last year.
Brown - 22, this is his breakout season.
Sanders - 24, 45 league games ever.
Ruel - 23, had 3 full(ish) seasons of league football.
Shackford - 19, no prior experience.

Hunt (28), James (27) and Theo (25) are the only ones anywhere near being considered as senior pros, and of those Theo is the only wily one.

We are clearly massively inexperienced, especially through the spine of the team where you need a little bit of nous.

When put in that list it looks pretty obvious that going for a young loan keeper and no proven L1 midfielder wasn't the brightest idea

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:38 pm

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:24 pm

essexfootball wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 10:17 pm

Sorry to burst your bubble there are 11 teams with a lower average age...

Richie picks the team, there is more than enough experience in that squad, most of them just won the league

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league- ... bewerb/GB3

He’s also conveniently (and hilariously) missed out the fact that Pratley & Moncur alone have 800+ league games between them. Add in the 150+ of Dan Agyei and the numbers start stacking up

So we have Wellens complaining about lack of experience and then leaves 3 blokes with a total of almost 1,000 league games under their belts on the bench. (Ok, Agyei is just coming into the side after length injury so he gets a pass for that one.)

I've not conveniently missed anyone out, I've just stated the ages of the starting XI today.

Richie obviously thought that was a problem and brought on the vastly experienced Prats and Moncs at half time. The problem with both those experienced players is they're on their last legs and arguably shouldn't be playing at L1 level anymore, which is why younger, inexperienced kids are being picked ahead of them.

Fair enough. Can’t argue with your points about Pratley & Moncs.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 11:17 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:40 pm Brynn - 23, 1 full season with Swindon last year.
Turns - 21, half a season with us last year.
Cooper - 23, 60 league games ever.
El Miz - 23, 1 full season with us last year.
Brown - 22, this is his breakout season.
Sanders - 24, 45 league games ever.
Ruel - 23, had 3 full(ish) seasons of league football.
Shackford - 19, no prior experience.

Hunt (28), James (27) and Theo (25) are the only ones anywhere near being considered as senior pros, and of those Theo is the only wily one.

We are clearly massively inexperienced, especially through the spine of the team where you need a little bit of nous.

When put in that list it looks pretty obvious that going for a young loan keeper and no proven L1 midfielder wasn't the brightest idea

To be fair, the expectation was that Beckles would be playing ahead of him. Sadly that hasn't worked out.

Same with midfield, we always knew Pratley would only be a bit part but more was expected from Moncs.

EliotNes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:57 pm A team won’t win matches if it doesn’t score. A lost opportunity today. T&T won’t be happy as they want a good cup run for funds.

A team will only lose if it can't defend & stop goals
Especially when we struggle to score

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 11:35 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 11:17 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:40 pm Brynn - 23, 1 full season with Swindon last year.
Turns - 21, half a season with us last year.
Cooper - 23, 60 league games ever.
El Miz - 23, 1 full season with us last year.
Brown - 22, this is his breakout season.
Sanders - 24, 45 league games ever.
Ruel - 23, had 3 full(ish) seasons of league football.
Shackford - 19, no prior experience.

Hunt (28), James (27) and Theo (25) are the only ones anywhere near being considered as senior pros, and of those Theo is the only wily one.

We are clearly massively inexperienced, especially through the spine of the team where you need a little bit of nous.

When put in that list it looks pretty obvious that going for a young loan keeper and no proven L1 midfielder wasn't the brightest idea

To be fair, the expectation was that Beckles would be playing ahead of him. Sadly that hasn't worked out.

Omars Injured.
Him & Cooper were brilliant together.

Omar being out means Happ came back in &
Dan's Head seems to be somewhere else & only
about avoiding Injury

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:31 am
Omar being out means Happ came back in &
Dan's Head seems to be somewhere else & only
about avoiding Injury

Interesting someone else is thinking this. What with RW's comment the other week about wanting more from Happe then pulling out late to avoid a cold hard pitch makes you wonder.

gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:44 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:31 am
Omar being out means Happ came back in &
Dan's Head seems to be somewhere else & only
about avoiding Injury

Interesting someone else is thinking this. What with RW's comment the other week about wanting more from Happe then pulling out late to avoid a cold hard pitch makes you wonder.

1 yr contract after other move fell through