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Posted: **Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:13 pm**

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 1:04 pm You have a high opinion of Premier League goalkeeping coaches, I personally think continuing to play competitive matches would be better for him to improve further rather than sitting on a bench for two years.

Well, yes. I don't think it's controversial to claim Premier League GK coaching will far exceed anything he'd be getting here. Working alongside Premier League standard keepers, training against Premier League strikers day in, day out, is far more beneficial than the 90 mins of L1 football he's missing out on each Saturday.

Posted: **Sun Jul 09, 2023 2:44 pm**

I'm sure Vigs will be happy to hear that Burnley may be signiing James Trafford the England U21 GK

Posted: **Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:54 pm**

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:13 pm
Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 1:04 pm You have a high opinion of Premier League goalkeeping coaches, I personally think continuing to play competitive matches would be better for him to improve further rather than sitting on a bench for two years.
Well, yes. I don't think it's controversial to claim Premier League GK coaching will far exceed anything he'd be getting here. Working alongside Premier League standard keepers, training against Premier League strikers day in, day out, is far more beneficial than the 90 mins of L1 football he's missing out on each Saturday.

Think what will be beneficial for Vigs and his family will be quintupling his salary, good luck to him. That will certainly be better for him than not doing it, regardless of any improvement he does or doesn't make.

Posted: **Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:44 pm**

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 2:44 pm I'm sure Vigs will be happy to hear that Burnley may be signiing James Trafford the England U21 GK

I believe the deal is agreed and nothing that Vigs would not have expected. He knew he was signing to be a backup/part of a goalkeeping squad at Burnley - but the money was beyond anything he was expecting at the start of the summer.

Posted: **Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:11 am**

CharlieO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:54 pm
TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:13 pm
Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 1:04 pm You have a high opinion of Premier League goalkeeping coaches, I personally think continuing to play competitive matches would be better for him to improve further rather than sitting on a bench for two years.
Well, yes. I don't think it's controversial to claim Premier League GK coaching will far exceed anything he'd be getting here. Working alongside Premier League standard keepers, training against Premier League strikers day in, day out, is far more beneficial than the 90 mins of L1 football he's missing out on each Saturday.
Think what will be beneficial for Vigs and his family will be quintupling his salary, good luck to him. That will certainly be better for him than not doing it, regardless of any improvement he does or doesn't make.

But this just plays into all those saying it's just about the money.

It isn't. He will be a better player in 2 years time as a result of this move.

Posted: **Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:34 am**

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:11 am
CharlieO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:54 pm
TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:13 pm

Well, yes. I don't think it's controversial to claim Premier League GK coaching will far exceed anything he'd be getting here. Working alongside Premier League standard keepers, training against Premier League strikers day in, day out, is far more beneficial than the 90 mins of L1 football he's missing out on each Saturday.
Think what will be beneficial for Vigs and his family will be quintupling his salary, good luck to him. That will certainly be better for him than not doing it, regardless of any improvement he does or doesn't make.
But this just plays into all those saying it's just about the money.

It isn't. He will be a better player in 2 years time as a result of this move.

If he regularly plays.

Posted: **Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:24 am**

No, regardless of whether he plays or not (he won't), he will be a better player in 2 years time.

Posted: **Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:44 am**

Disagree, players need game time, training only does so much, it's why so many players come out of Premier League academies are useless, as at 21 the best they've played is Tottenham U21 and have no experience of men's football or applied anything they've learnt in training in a match day scenario, it's why so many players drop ten leagues, the other year Bower signed a kid from Sunderland, Hornchurch just signed someone from Cardiff. Matches is where you improve, you do the hard work during the week then apply it at the weekend, as you can't replicate it no matter what you do

Posted: **Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:55 am**

Why are people still debating the arse end out of this. He's gone a long time ago and not coming back.

Posted: **Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:01 am**

essexfootball wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:44 am Disagree, players need game time, training only does so much, it's why so many players come out of Premier League academies are useless, as at 21 the best they've played is Tottenham U21 and have no experience of men's football or applied anything they've learnt in training in a match day scenario, it's why so many players drop ten leagues, the other year Bower signed a kid from Sunderland, Hornchurch just signed someone from Cardiff. Matches is where you improve, you do the hard work during the week then apply it at the weekend, as you can't replicate it no matter what you do

Boys training in a Premier League academy is totally different to training in the Premier League first team.

It's also totally different for goalkeepers.

Posted: **Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:02 am**

LittleMate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:55 am Why are people still debating the arse end out of this. He's gone a long time ago and not coming back.

Because some people are still salty that our best players left and won't let it go.

Posted: **Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:55 pm**

Most contributors to this thread have no problem with Vigs going and earning more money, I wish him well and hope he plays. The debate has been whether as Trump Plumbing believes and I disagree, being at a premier league club and not playing, will make him a better player than playing regular at a lower level.

Posted: **Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:05 am**

I don't think you can make a blanket call, but in this instance, a goalkeeper, 29 years of age, and vastly experienced in the lower leagues, I don't think he'll improve much more just playing lower league, but potentially will with better coaching, facilities, and competition higher up.

Posted: **Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:17 am**

According to the t’internet the average League One salary is £4,700 per week. Average Premier League is £60,000.

I doubt Vigs would have been on an average salary and could have commanded more but the differential is huge.

He has a short career and window of opportunity. Irrelevant if he’ll play or improve. He has to take the money. I think the vast majority of us would have done exactly the same. Good luck to him.

Posted: **Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:46 am**

Adz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:05 am I don't think you can make a blanket call, but in this instance, a goalkeeper, 29 years of age, and vastly experienced in the lower leagues, I don't think he'll improve much more just playing lower league, but potentially will with better coaching, facilities, and competition higher up.

Exactly this.

In a 90 minute game, he'll have a couple of instances where he is called upon.

It's the hours upon hours spent on the training ground week in, week out, where the improvements are made.

Posted: **Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:30 am**

DrWindy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:17 am According to the t’internet the average League One salary is £4,700 per week. Average Premier League is £60,000.

I doubt Vigs would have been on an average salary and could have commanded more but the differential is huge.

He has a short career and window of opportunity. Irrelevant if he’ll play or improve. He has to take the money. I think the vast majority of us would have done exactly the same. Good luck to him.

Absolutely . I'm sure we would do the same thing ,

Posted: **Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:32 am**

23k a week, he deserves it , cheers LV , see you in 28 months hopefully on loan, Burnley are in the red, so think this time next year once they are back down again LV might return

Posted: **Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:17 pm**

He isn't even listed in the Sun's selection of goalies in their Fantasy League, Disgraceful !

Posted: **Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:19 pm**

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:17 pm He isn't even listed in the Sun's selection of goalies in their Fantasy League, Disgraceful !

You should cancel your subscription to The Sun.

Posted: **Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:22 pm**

EliotNes wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:19 pm
Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:17 pm He isn't even listed in the Sun's selection of goalies in their Fantasy League, Disgraceful !

You should cancel your subscription to The Sun.

Too right !

Posted: **Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:24 pm**

It certainly is.

Posted: **Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:20 pm**

Not on the bench this evening.

Posted: **Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:30 pm**

Bergen wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:20 pm Not on the bench this evening.

Very much a sign of things to come I feel. Might get to sit on the bench in the Cups if he is lucky.

Posted: **Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:36 pm**

I know he’s earning a good wage but it’s a waste.

Posted: **Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:49 pm**

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:36 pm I know he’s earning a good wage but it’s a waste.

Agreed. Look forward to getting him back on loan next season.

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