CARL FLETCHER

[Rich Tea Wellin]

I feel for him and think it’s ironic that Travis has a book about good workplace culture.

[Thor]

One word.

Lingleton

That's the issue right there, it's why Fletch is gone. Maybe it was best, maybe it wasn't.

[Long slender neck]

One word.

Ross Embleton.

That's the issue right there, it's why Fletch is gone. Maybe it was best, maybe it wasn't.

That's two words.

[Fanny]

The U23s coach will be looking after the U23 players in a general capacity, obviously. But he's charged with looking after a handful of those kids to get them ready for the first team squad.

What's so difficult to grasp about this?

The role I understand. Sounds like a basic development role.

It’s the odd job title that I don’t get. “Loan manager” sounds like somebody working in club finances rather then on the playing side.

Either way, we’ve learnt that a “loan manager” doth not maketh a football manager.

Have you ever heard of a 'loan deal' or 'loan transfer' in football?

If so, that should clear it up for you.

I’ve also heard of warm-ups and headers but I’ve never heard of a “warm-up manager” or a “header manager”

Could you name me some of the great loan managers from footballing history?

[Thor]

Err is posted Ling le ton and it changed it to Ross. I went back to edit and it shows ling le ton but still says re. I think your playing games with us mr mod.

[tuffers#1]

One word.

Ross Embleton

That's the issue right there, it's why Fletch is gone. Maybe it was best, maybe it wasn't.

A man who failed miserably without his own players his own staff etc.

Lots on here didnt give a flying f*ck when Ross was in that position.

[Disoriented]

He added: "I'm all for failing and I don't mind failing.

"I understand it's a part of life but I would have liked the opportunity to fail."


Maldon & Tiptree

Spectacular Failure Carl
Spectacular.

[tuffers#1]

He added: "I'm all for failing and I don't mind failing.

"I understand it's a part of life but I would have liked the opportunity to fail."


Maldon & Tiptree

Spectacular Failure Carl
Spectacular.

What do you call it dross if you are clown facing ?

Success Bechetti style ?

[Disoriented]

Success from Ling and his marionette, Ross?

No thanks. My ambition for the club is higher than those two.

[tuffers#1]

Success from Ling and his marionette, Ross?

No thanks. My ambition for the club is higher than those two.

Both have better managerial records than Fletcher .

Your Ling Hatred continues on.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Success from Ling and his marionette, Ross?

No thanks. My ambition for the club is higher than those two.

Both have better managerial records than Fletcher .

Your Ling Hatred continues on.

What is Ross’s managerial record?

Some vague roles working in various academies but nothing of any note, then an appointment as first team coach in November 2015 totally out of the blue (a few days after Ling got the managers job), followed by his stint here.

[Disoriented]

Success from Ling and his marionette, Ross?

No thanks. My ambition for the club is higher than those two.

Both have better managerial records than Fletcher .

Your Ling Hatred continues on.

Face facts. You are worse than a climate denier.

[tuffers#1]

Success from Ling and his marionette, Ross?

No thanks. My ambition for the club is higher than those two.

Both have better managerial records than Fletcher .

Your Ling Hatred continues on.

Face facts. You are worse than a climate denier.

Dross you Hate Ling

You dislike Ross

Why i dont know .

[tuffers#1]

Success from Ling and his marionette, Ross?

No thanks. My ambition for the club is higher than those two.

Both have better managerial records than Fletcher .

Your Ling Hatred continues on.

What is Ross’s managerial record?

Some vague roles working in various academies but nothing of any note, then an appointment as first team coach in November 2015 totally out of the blue (a few days after Ling got the managers job), followed by his stint here.

Better than Fletchers

[Disoriented]

Both have better managerial records than Fletcher .

Your Ling Hatred continues on.

Face facts. You are worse than a climate denier.

Dross you Hate Ling

You dislike Ross

Why i dont know .

I like both.

[Long slender neck]

Success from Ling and his marionette, Ross?

No thanks. My ambition for the club is higher than those two.

Both have better managerial records than Fletcher .

Your Ling Hatred continues on.

Face facts. You are worse than a climate denier.

[Disoriented]

Both have better managerial records than Fletcher .

Your Ling Hatred continues on.

Face facts. You are worse than a climate denier.

What on earth is that face?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Both have better managerial records than Fletcher .

Your Ling Hatred continues on.

What is Ross’s managerial record?

Some vague roles working in various academies but nothing of any note, then an appointment as first team coach in November 2015 totally out of the blue (a few days after Ling got the managers job), followed by his stint here.

Better than Fletchers

Fletcher has a much better cv. There’s no comparison.

[Long slender neck]

Face facts. You are worse than a climate denier.

What on earth is that face?

Your mums face when you popped out.

[DuvB]

I’m still none the wiser as to what exactly a “loan manger” is in a footballing context.

Didn’t know what it was when we hired him, didn’t know what it was when he was here and still don’t know what it now he’s gone.

It says in the article: "overseeing the club's players who are currently playing their football elsewhere". Which translates as watching a lot of reserve and U23s football, and making sure their players are getting enough time and are progressing.

Among the list of things he says he didn't have in his time as O's head coach, was "none of my own staff" - what staff would that be, exactly, Carl? He was and remains an "overseer" of players playing elsewhere, not a coach working day-in day-out with other coaches. The situation would have been made clear to him from the beginning what the coaching setup was at the club. He literally had no such thing as "his people".

The other thing that stood out to me: "I was fully understanding that this group had been together, they had a bond, both the staff and the players, that I could never just jump in to." - indeed, so why did you try to change things so fundamentally, so quickly? Ross had got the club into the top half with a decent run of results, steadying the ship during a tragedy; Fletcher had all the time in the world to bed himself in to the role without changing too much, just some tweaks here and there (the awful defending for a start) - and yet that's exactly what he did, changing to a high-pressing style that the players clearly weren't ready for.

Spot on

[DuvB]

In truth the spectacular failure was in Travis, Teague and Ling in appointing him in the first place. If I was a betting man, I would put some money on Porter not agreeing with his appointment - but we will never know.

[tuffers#1]

What is Ross’s managerial record?

Some vague roles working in various academies but nothing of any note, then an appointment as first team coach in November 2015 totally out of the blue (a few days after Ling got the managers job), followed by his stint here.

Better than Fletchers

Fletcher has a much better cv. There’s no comparison.

Oh you changed the Criteria hve you now ?
Its about C.V's .
Pah !!

Fletcher teams pl 75 won 17 drew 29 lost 29 % 22.7
Ross team pl 31 won 9 drawn 11 lost 11

Such a good CV for Fletcher he said

"I dont know about football management
Im a Loan manager " !!

[redintheface]

In truth the spectacular failure was in Travis, Teague and Ling in appointing him in the first place. If I was a betting man, I would put some money on Porter not agreeing with his appointment - but we will never know.

As you say we will never know for certain, but at the time, I am sure I recall Porter saying the appointment of Fletcher was a unanimous one.

[tuffers#1]

Fletcher has more football playing expierence than Ross

Ross has not ever played professional football

Fletcher is more mature of character

Jose mourinho

No playing experience

How many league ritles
How many Champions league trophies ?

As for Fletcher more mature in character .

[spen666]

Fletcher has more football playing expierence than Ross

Ross has not ever played professional football

Fletcher is more mature of character

Jose mourinho

No playing experience

How many league ritles
How many Champions league trophies ?

As for Fletcher more mature in character .

Genuine Question - how many Champions League Trophies has he won?