Who is the very aggressive "fan"?

[Howling Mad Murdock]

Christ anyone can select formations.Thats why I won so much on Football Manager.

I think many fans over-estimate themselves.

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You're welcome.

[tuffers#1]

You don't have to hold a piece of paper to know enough about football to question someone, especially if you have watched it for a good number of years.

Just watching football for a long period of time won't make you know as much about football as someone involved in the game, sorry

Cobblers. If you have watched and/or played football for a number of years you know enough about tactics and formations etc. to be able to hold a conversation with people involved in the game and question some things. They might have a bit of paper saying what they know but there are no 'rocket scientists' managing/coaching in football. That's why they all fail and get sacked at some point.

Yet ask Fans to tell you what formation was being played most wouldnt know .
Trouble with sport , formations arent all that important.
Yes as an initial set up & getting the best general
Positioning from your players but thats about it .

I cant go & play that ball boss because it means ive left the 442.& its making it 433
I dont want to run back there coz it would make it 451 .
Help boss i cant kick that ball because we are in 352 & id have to make it 3411


Ah boss Help me my head hurts
All those cleverer fans are going to moan at us boss .

[Article_50]

It definitely isn't Spen666, you can bet your life on that.

[Disoriented]

It’s called having an opinion and not being cowered into silence.

In short, it is freedom of speech.

You mean the same freedom of speech you call people out for exercising against her on the Caroline Flack thread?

There is a difference between freedom of speech and hate crimes.

Do keep up.

[Ornchurch]

Yet ask Fans to tell you what formation was being played most wouldnt know .
Trouble with sport , formations arent all that important.
Yes as an initial set up & getting the best general
Positioning from your players but thats about it .

I cant go & play that ball boss because it means ive left the 442.& its making it 433
I dont want to run back there coz it would make it 451 .
Help boss i cant kick that ball because we are in 352 & id have to make it 3411


Ah boss Help me my head hurts
All those cleverer fans are going to moan at us boss .

[tuffers#1]

Yet ask Fans to tell you what formation was being played most wouldnt know .
Trouble with sport , formations arent all that important.
Yes as an initial set up & getting the best general
Positioning from your players but thats about it .

I cant go & play that ball boss because it means ive left the 442.& its making it 433
I dont want to run back there coz it would make it 451 .
Help boss i cant kick that ball because we are in 352 & id have to make it 3411


Ah boss Help me my head hurts
All those cleverer fans are going to moan at us boss .

Ornchurch cant deal with a bit of normality.

Must be a Rocket Scientist .

[Ornchurch]

Yet ask Fans to tell you what formation was being played most wouldnt know .
Trouble with sport , formations arent all that important.
Yes as an initial set up & getting the best general
Positioning from your players but thats about it .

I cant go & play that ball boss because it means ive left the 442.& its making it 433
I dont want to run back there coz it would make it 451 .
Help boss i cant kick that ball because we are in 352 & id have to make it 3411


Ah boss Help me my head hurts
All those cleverer fans are going to moan at us boss .

Ornchurch cant deal with a bit of normality.

Must be a Rocket Scientist .

Call that post normality? Maybe for a retard.

[gshaw]

Despite all the coaching badges sometimes managers are guilty of overthinking things as Ling said in the Q&A. You can convince your own mind that playing a CB at LB is a good idea, for instance but the average fan just calls players to go in their native spots. Similarly with crying out for physical presence in CM and finally getting Cissé, who has made a big difference.

Slade had one such scenario, he persisted over and over with his "wonky" 4-5-1 formation when the fans were crying out for 4-4-2. In the end got forced to change because of injury, brought in Odubajo and the rest was history.

In more recent times Ling / Davis with the youth goalkeepers was the most glaring example of it - JE came in and did what many of the "moaners" were crying out for and look at the difference. I still remember the howls of "back the young players" and "you're not a manager so why should they be dropped" even now.

Sometimes you see examples of tactical genius where you sit back in awe and go "yup, that's a professional showing their nous" but at other times it's doing the simple stuff. Not sure if Jobi is still doing it in the post-Webb setup but having a coach sitting in the stand with an elevated view of the game always seemed a sensible idea to me, far better to see what's really going on than pitch-side imo.

[tuffers#1]

Ornchurch cant deal with a bit of normality.

Must be a Rocket Scientist .

Call that post normality? Maybe for a retard.

Do you have bits of paper to quantify either of your claims ?

[spen666]

It’s called having an opinion and not being cowered into silence.

In short, it is freedom of speech.

You mean the same freedom of speech you call people out for exercising against her on the Caroline Flack thread?

There is a difference between freedom of speech and hate crimes.

Do keep up.

There were no hate crimes in Caroline Flack case.

[Millennial Snowflake]

Despite all the coaching badges sometimes managers are guilty of overthinking things as Ling said in the Q&A. You can convince your own mind that playing a CB at LB is a good idea, for instance but the average fan just calls players to go in their native spots. Similarly with crying out for physical presence in CM and finally getting Cissé, who has made a big difference.

Slade had one such scenario, he persisted over and over with his "wonky" 4-5-1 formation when the fans were crying out for 4-4-2. In the end got forced to change because of injury, brought in Odubajo and the rest was history.

In more recent times Ling / Davis with the youth goalkeepers was the most glaring example of it - JE came in and did what many of the "moaners" were crying out for and look at the difference. I still remember the howls of "back the young players" and "you're not a manager so why should they be dropped" even now.

Sometimes you see examples of tactical genius where you sit back in awe and go "yup, that's a professional showing their nous" but at other times it's doing the simple stuff. Not sure if Jobi is still doing it in the post-Webb setup but having a coach sitting in the stand with an elevated view of the game always seemed a sensible idea to me, far better to see what's really going on than pitch-side imo.

Football management isn’t just about tactics and formations mate

[tuffers#1]

Tuff
The "Unusual" that you seek defining

In simple terms we had an excellent experienced manager Justin - he passed away

1. The extreme collective grief / early promotion /and existing playing staff ongoing contract obligations is my basic definition of unusual.

2 The prolonged interview replacement which everybody thought was for an expierenced manager resulted in a person chosen that lasted 29 days and then paid off - that too is rather unusual.

3. The ongoing and not sequenced selection of Ross after he clearly told everyone in an extensive interview more than once is that he thought he should not be the manager that again is unusual as he then a few weeks later was approached by the board to reconsider and was offered the job - that too was unusual as he has never been a manager - and the original remit was to recruit an expierenced manager

Yet you still manage to complain about this season , with all that knowledge.

[Max B Gold]

This whole thread could have been avoided if Boarders had acted more professionally by ignoring the cack posts completely and walking away from the keyboard.

One more reason why some Boarders should be ignored and this isn't the first time something like this has happened.

[tuffers#1]

Tuff
The "Unusual" that you seek defining

In simple terms we had an excellent experienced manager Justin - he passed away

1. The extreme collective grief / early promotion /and existing playing staff ongoing contract obligations is my basic definition of unusual.

2 The prolonged interview replacement which everybody thought was for an expierenced manager resulted in a person chosen that lasted 29 days and then paid off - that too is rather unusual.

3. The ongoing and not sequenced selection of Ross after he clearly told everyone in an extensive interview more than once is that he thought he should not be the manager that again is unusual as he then a few weeks later was approached by the board to reconsider and was offered the job - that too was unusual as he has never been a manager - and the original remit was to recruit an expierenced manager

Yet you still manage to complain about this season , with all that knowledge.

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Let's gets this straight my views are mine and from my perspective- your classification of " complain " is your personal view of my posts.

I can't waste any more time explaining to you my views on both which if you read everything I have ever written includes words not aligned with " complain" but empathy.

Don't confuse "complaining " to a person alternative view.

My core and prime comment is ling compromised and promoted Ross to satisfy his own personal feelings or desire rather than demonstrate publicly that lofc best interests were used in his logic.

He appears to of based and over emphasised his personal friendship and appeared not to of supported Fletcher in any way including executing a latent investigation.

To conclude he was rude re fletcher to a point of ridicule including demeaning him and his career with low grade words in an inarticulate presentation.

It all become rather tiresome reading your posts when lofc win exploding into proclaiming Ross is the best thing to a gold nugget but when we lose using data comparisons based on Fletcher dismal record in a period when it's bloody obvious that the coaches or players ganged up on him to assist his early departure

I mean to lose to Maldon is a prime example and it was reported Fletcher said nothing at half time - he knew the score of then as a group and he as an expienced football high grade player and club and country captain knew he was damned and doomed - he ain't no fool

Christ ive heard some conspiracy theories in my time
but youve just gone to another level.


As David Coleman Used to say

Errrrrrrrrrr Remarkable .

[Orient till I die M]

My guess is this lanky streak of.....

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Pantilimone? He’s about 19, not sure he’d have a 12 year old son

[Lucky7]

My guess is this lanky streak of.....

Is that Too “Much Too Young” Terry Hall from The Specials?

[claptonCasual]

They should be outed.

I think you're the one who needs ousting.

[tuffers#1]

Despite all the coaching badges sometimes managers are guilty of overthinking things as Ling said in the Q&A. You can convince your own mind that playing a CB at LB is a good idea, for instance but the average fan just calls players to go in their native spots. Similarly with crying out for physical presence in CM and finally getting Cissé, who has made a big difference.

Slade had one such scenario, he persisted over and over with his "wonky" 4-5-1 formation when the fans were crying out for 4-4-2. In the end got forced to change because of injury, brought in Odubajo and the rest was history.

In more recent times Ling / Davis with the youth goalkeepers was the most glaring example of it - JE came in and did what many of the "moaners" were crying out for and look at the difference. I still remember the howls of "back the young players" and "you're not a manager so why should they be dropped" even now.

Sometimes you see examples of tactical genius where you sit back in awe and go "yup, that's a professional showing their nous" but at other times it's doing the simple stuff. Not sure if Jobi is still doing it in the post-Webb setup but having a coach sitting in the stand with an elevated view of the game always seemed a sensible idea to me, far better to see what's really going on than pitch-side imo.

The average fan sometimes says

" I cant work out what formation we.are playing".

A fan should not be.concerning themselves with such things

A Fan should concern themselves with making as much effort to support hjs team
as is possible.

[Long slender neck]

I like to know where on the pitch players are supposed to be.

[tuffers#1]

I like to know where on the pitch players are supposed to be.

If you look how teams line up at kick off it normally gives you a MASSIVE CLUE.

But as football is a game of interupted fluidity ( we have the ball then they get it, we get it back etc etc)
positioning can change depending where the ball is at a particular time .


P.S if the bloke in our team in the different coloured shirt is in the opposition box
for 85 minutes of the game , tactically we are inept.

[point nine one eight]

Ornchurch cant deal with a bit of normality.

Must be a Rocket Scientist .

Call that post normality? Maybe for a retard.

Do you have bits of paper to quantify either of your claims ?

Tuffers, why are you conducting an argument just for the sake of it, leave it alone

[tuffers#1]

I wrote that on Monday & you say im carrying it on &
should "leave it alone" , black , kettle, pot anyone ?

[gshaw]

A fan should not be.concerning themselves with such things

A Fan should concern themselves with making as much effort to support hjs team
as is possible.

Ah see therein lies the difference between a fan and a supporter. The latter claps and cheers whatever the score, whatever the performance, not really concerned on the football itself but more the idea of being part of the "family club". I'm personally in the former category, Orient is my team but I go to watch the football, not for all the other stuff that goes on around it.

[tuffers#1]

A fan should not be.concerning themselves with such things

A Fan should concern themselves with making as much effort to support hjs team
as is possible.

Ah see therein lies the difference between a fan and a supporter. The latter claps and cheers whatever the score, whatever the performance, not really concerned on the football itself but more the idea of being part of the "family club". I'm personally in the former category, Orient is my team but I go to watch the football, not for all the other stuff that goes on around it.

Ah gshaw if only it were so
They are the same thing.

The need to know formations & discussion of said formations are just things people who truly support , yet really dont understand the Near non existantant nuance of football.

Its a simple game , over comoplicated by people.