Who is the very aggressive "fan"?

[tuffers#1]

All of this could have been avoided if RE had acted professionally by ignoring the fan completely and walking off the pitch down the tunnel.

One more reason why he shouldn't be the manager and this isn't the first time something like this has happened.

Cloughie used to stand & talk to fans before & after a game .

Dont see the.big deal.

Unprofessional would be going over during the game .

[spen666]

All of this could have been avoided if RE had acted professionally by ignoring the fan completely and walking off the pitch down the tunnel.

One more reason why he shouldn't be the manager and this isn't the first time something like this has happened.

Cloughie used to stand & talk to fans before & after a game .

….

When not clipping them around the ear?

[tuffers#1]

All of this could have been avoided if RE had acted professionally by ignoring the fan completely and walking off the pitch down the tunnel.

One more reason why he shouldn't be the manager and this isn't the first time something like this has happened.

Cloughie used to stand & talk to fans before & after a game .

Dont see the.big deal.

Unprofessional would be going over during the game .

Clough was eccentric but a proven winner and one of the greatest managers of all time - his record is unbeatable

He was also exceptionally intelligent and witty with a wonderful personality

Ross is like us an ordinary person trying his best under unusual circumstances

He be wise as I and others have said not to get involved with any fan - it will not achieve anything and devalues his managerial presence as he has just started in a very hard occupation where many fail - he really needs to act above any fan

So you admit UNUSUAL circumstances are as big a reason for all this ?
What are the UNUSUAL circumstances in your opinion & can they
Be used as a reason as to why something is good/bad ?

Ross results stats this season against O's stats

Ross Pl 30 W 9 D10 L11 F 40 A 41 pts 37
ORIENT Pl 34 W 9 D 11 L14 F 43 A 52 . Pts 38

Remember the fact that had Ross not been made to feel so unwelcome by fans & stepped back
Whose to say we wouldnt have picked up 3 wins & a draw under Ross & got past Maldon
In the cup .
9 points more so he could possibly have 46 points now.
Its possible no bad run would have followed .

S9mething we will never know all becuase of.

UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES .

Funny that eh .

Youd think fans of a club would understand this sort of stuff .

[tuffers#1]

All of this could have been avoided if RE had acted professionally by ignoring the fan completely and walking off the pitch down the tunnel.

One more reason why he shouldn't be the manager and this isn't the first time something like this has happened.

Cloughie used to stand & talk to fans before & after a game .

….

When not clipping them around the ear?

He used to do it at Hertlepools ( as they used to be known ) .
Way before the clip incident.

[LeytonstoneRed07]

I wonder if the fan involved will be at the meet the manager meeting on Wednesday ? Could be fun and games if he is

Unfortunately I can't make the Meet the Manager night on Wednesday as I'll be be watching the play Rafe Spall is in, funnily enough he plays an Orient fan in it.
If I was in attendance though I would have had questions for him.

[point nine one eight]

That's right, but I was hardly aggressive let alone 'very aggressive'.Just shouted out "Embleton, that performance was a joke".
I wasn't then the one who marched 30/40 yards to remonstrate.

You and your goonies went suddenly quiet when RE did come over though
What an embarrassment
And I mean you lot not RE

Sounds typical lucky .

I have no qualms with calling someone out , but if
they then come to discuss stuff , have the front to back up what you are saying , instead of pretending your the innocent party.

From my advantage point didn't seem to be an innocent or guilty party, they met, they talked, both sides thought they were right and 'other a plonker, no swearing, shook hands, walked away shaking their heads.

[Max B Gold]

All of this could have been avoided if RE had acted professionally by ignoring the fan completely and walking off the pitch down the tunnel.

One more reason why he shouldn't be the manager and this isn't the first time something like this has happened.

Cloughie used to stand & talk to fans before & after a game .

Dont see the.big deal.

Unprofessional would be going over during the game .

Hardly a valid comparison. Didn't Cloughie punch a fan once.

[LeytonstoneRed07]

You and your goonies went suddenly quiet when RE did come over though
What an embarrassment
And I mean you lot not RE

Sounds typical lucky .

I have no qualms with calling someone out , but if
they then come to discuss stuff , have the front to back up what you are saying , instead of pretending your the innocent party.

From my advantage point didn't seem to be an innocent or guilty party, they met, they talked, both sides thought they were right and 'other a plonker, no swearing, shook hands, walked away shaking their heads.

That's the best summary of the situation so far.

[OyinbO]

All of this could have been avoided if RE had acted professionally by ignoring the fan completely and walking off the pitch down the tunnel.

One more reason why he shouldn't be the manager and this isn't the first time something like this has happened.

Cloughie used to stand & talk to fans before & after a game .

Dont see the.big deal.

Unprofessional would be going over during the game .

Hardly a valid comparison. Didn't Cloughie punch a fan once.

When Embleton wins the League and the European Cup, he's welcome to come over and chin me whenever he wants.

[point nine one eight]

Cloughie used to stand & talk to fans before & after a game .

Dont see the.big deal.

Unprofessional would be going over during the game .

Hardly a valid comparison. Didn't Cloughie punch a fan once.

The fans were invading the pitch during a game and had been warned before games not to do so. this particular fan ran right before Cloughie so Brian grab hold swung him round think he clipped his ear. Brian was applauded for his action at the time


When Embleton wins the League and the European Cup, he's welcome to come over and chin me whenever he wants.

[Max B Gold]

Hardly a valid comparison. Didn't Cloughie punch a fan once.

The fans were invading the pitch during a game and had been warned before games not to do so. this particular fan ran right before Cloughie so Brian grab hold swung him round think he clipped his ear. Brian was applauded for his action at the time


When Embleton wins the League and the European Cup, he's welcome to come over and chin me whenever he wants.

Yeah saw that on the telly at the time. I had a lot of time for Cloughie and even read his autobiography and the tale of his Mams Mangle.

[faith1234]

Formattion is all wrong we are getting beat in midfield, but they say its got to get wose before it gets better i had high hopes that we might make top 10 but i think that will will bearley just say up

[Ornchurch]

What people have to realise is the total disrespect that anyone involved in the game has for supporters. They believe that as they hold all the coaching badges that they know it all, or play the game so that they know it all, or nowadays as well they report on the game so think that they know it all.
That is why they always refer to supporters as punters.

Problem is that anyone with coaching badges now are a load of sheep as they are all taught in the same way and they have no individuality or mind of their own.

[Long slender neck]

What people have to realise is the total disrespect that anyone involved in the game has for supporters. They believe that as they hold all the coaching badges that they know it all, or play the game so that they know it all, or nowadays as well they report on the game so think that they know it all.
That is why they always refer to supporters as punters.

Problem is that anyone with coaching badges now are a load of sheep as they are all taught in the same way and they have no individuality or mind of their own.

Understandable, I dont think many people would like to be told how to do their jobs by people less qualified.

[Howling Mad Murdock]

Do the supporters know it all then?...because on here they seem to think they do.

[Ornchurch]

What people have to realise is the total disrespect that anyone involved in the game has for supporters. They believe that as they hold all the coaching badges that they know it all, or play the game so that they know it all, or nowadays as well they report on the game so think that they know it all.
That is why they always refer to supporters as punters.

Problem is that anyone with coaching badges now are a load of sheep as they are all taught in the same way and they have no individuality or mind of their own.

Understandable, I dont think many people would like to be told how to do their jobs by people less qualified.

You don't have to hold a piece of paper to know enough about football to question someone, especially if you have watched it for a good number of years.

[Millennial Snowflake]

What people have to realise is the total disrespect that anyone involved in the game has for supporters. They believe that as they hold all the coaching badges that they know it all, or play the game so that they know it all, or nowadays as well they report on the game so think that they know it all.
That is why they always refer to supporters as punters.

Problem is that anyone with coaching badges now are a load of sheep as they are all taught in the same way and they have no individuality or mind of their own.

Understandable, I dont think many people would like to be told how to do their jobs by people less qualified.

You don't have to hold a piece of paper to know enough about football to question someone, especially if you have watched it for a good number of years.

Just watching football for a long period of time won't make you know as much about football as someone involved in the game, sorry

[Howling Mad Murdock]

Just watching football for a long period of time won't make you know as much about football as someone involved in the game, sorry

Totally agree.

[LeytonstoneRed07]

I admit I don't hold any formal football coaching qualifications but I do know that in order to win games you need to score goals and that requires shots at goal to achieve, something we are very poor at with the current system / formation / personel.

[Ornchurch]

Understandable, I dont think many people would like to be told how to do their jobs by people less qualified.

You don't have to hold a piece of paper to know enough about football to question someone, especially if you have watched it for a good number of years.

Just watching football for a long period of time won't make you know as much about football as someone involved in the game, sorry

Cobblers. If you have watched and/or played football for a number of years you know enough about tactics and formations etc. to be able to hold a conversation with people involved in the game and question some things. They might have a bit of paper saying what they know but there are no 'rocket scientists' managing/coaching in football. That's why they all fail and get sacked at some point.

[Millennial Snowflake]

You don't have to hold a piece of paper to know enough about football to question someone, especially if you have watched it for a good number of years.

Just watching football for a long period of time won't make you know as much about football as someone involved in the game, sorry

Cobblers. If you have watched and/or played football for a number of years you know enough about tactics and formations etc. to be able to hold a conversation with people involved in the game and question some things. They might have a bit of paper saying what they know but there are no 'rocket scientists' managing/coaching in football. That's why they all fail and get sacked at some point.

That's not the same as what you initially said. If you've played at a decent level of course you can have a chat about tactics, formations etc, but you're deluded if you think the average fan knows as much as a professional manager. Merely watching for decades won't give you much understanding, nor will playing in a pub league or for your mate's 5-a-side team. Anyway, usually it's the angry fans who think they know it all and won't accept a different opinion.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

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[Long slender neck]

What?

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Wrong Fred. Sorry, Boss.

[Ornchurch]

Just watching football for a long period of time won't make you know as much about football as someone involved in the game, sorry

Cobblers. If you have watched and/or played football for a number of years you know enough about tactics and formations etc. to be able to hold a conversation with people involved in the game and question some things. They might have a bit of paper saying what they know but there are no 'rocket scientists' managing/coaching in football. That's why they all fail and get sacked at some point.

That's not the same as what you initially said. If you've played at a decent level of course you can have a chat about tactics, formations etc, but you're deluded if you think the average fan knows as much as a professional manager. Merely watching for decades won't give you much understanding, nor will playing in a pub league or for your mate's 5-a-side team. Anyway, usually it's the angry fans who think they know it all and won't accept a different opinion.

The average man on the street can get the same qualifications as the ex-pro. I know people that have got UEFA B and upwards and some of them are not the brightest. They see it as a way to earn as they can then set up their own academies for ages 5+ and go on to get jobs at clubs coaching youth academies etc. Its a career path and that's why there so many 'academies' popping up now. Some like Ross get lucky and go a little bit higher on the ladder.

The thing is that despite having the same piece of paper as ex-pros they very rarely get any sort of senior role at a club and that goes back to the assumption and arrogance that people in football know best.

Having said that I wouldn't discount the knowledge of the average fan compared to the standard of these qualifications. They take time, effort and money but are not the toughest. Don't overestimate the 'pros' and underestimate the 'fans'. These people do not possess any magic qualities.