Labour Watch

[Currywurst and Chips]

Been impressed with Nandy so far this campaign. She's got my vote as things stand

[Millennial Snowflake]

She has absolutely no stand out qualities or characteristics. Endlessly uses the word communities in the vapid way that no mark politicians do. Other than loyalty to Corbyn, what are you voting for with her?

Err let me see. I know, aside from her obviously defective personality you could consider the policies she is putting forward.

Your visceral hatred of this woman is clearly visible and worrying. It's time Labour had a woman leader.

Yeah, all those working class ex-Labour voters in Rotherham, Burnley and Wrexham are thinking "you know something, what Labour really needs is a female leader"

Embarrassingly out of touch and nothing has been learned since December 12

[Max B Gold]

She has absolutely no stand out qualities or characteristics. Endlessly uses the word communities in the vapid way that no mark politicians do. Other than loyalty to Corbyn, what are you voting for with her?

Err let me see. I know, aside from her obviously defective personality you could consider the policies she is putting forward.

Your visceral hatred of this woman is clearly visible and worrying. It's time Labour had a woman leader.

Yeah, all those working class ex-Labour voters in Rotherham, Burnley and Wrexham are thinking "you know something, what Labour really needs is a female leader"

Embarrassingly out of touch and nothing has been learned since December 12

In what way are you able to speak on behalf of thousands of people and attribute your own sexist prejudice to them. You don't like women. I get that.

[Mistadobalina]

Wasn't aware that I'd posted about her before on here.

She seems quite nice, but has that stilted way of speaking in clichés that people who are massively over promoted always do. Cruel of the Corbyn lot to force her to run tbh.

Also if we're ranking on policies, she's basically advocating all the policies that were rejected at the last election. So she has to come from a force of personality perspective. Which, to put it kindly, she's going to struggle with.

[Max B Gold]

Wasn't aware that I'd posted about her before on here.

She seems quite nice, but has that stilted way of speaking in clichés that people who are massively over promoted always do. Cruel of the Corbyn lot to force her to run tbh.

Also if we're ranking on policies, she's basically advocating all the policies that were rejected at the last election. So she has to come from a force of personality perspective. Which, to put it kindly, she's going to struggle with.

Asserting that the policies were rejected is either a glib and shameless statement or you are in denial.

It was a Brexit election and because Labour were so divided on that issue that's why they lost.

If anti austerity policies were so unpopular tell me why the Tories have taken that tack.

[Dunners]

The leader position isn't Labour's biggest problem. After all, previous Labour Prime Ministers were also well removed from the salt of the earth/working class masses they claimed to represent.

The issue for Labour is how it's membership base has drifted so far from their traditional voter base in terms of ideology. A truck driver from Rotherham and a Momentum activist from Hammersmith will be poles apart on both economic and social policies. There will be little that will unite them and they may even be repulsed by each other.

Yet that same truck driver may find they can relate to social policies supported by the Tories. Boris/Cummings clocked that all they had to do was signal a slight move left on economic policy and they could hoover up votes from the likes of our Rotherham truck driver. And that, along with "Get Brexit Done" is exactly what happened.

It's not all Corbyn's fault however. Or the current Labour party as a whole. Labour started shedding those voters back in the Blair/Brown days. Losing Scotland was also a sign of this. Only then it was Farage and UKIP that captured those English voters. And once they'd broken their connection with Labour it simply made the step of voting Tory a lot easier for them.

The problem for Labour is in reconciling these differences and appealing to Scottish and Northern voters again. And I'm not sure any of the senior Labour figures understand that problem, never mind have any idea of how to solve it. Brexit was the final nail in the coffin, but anyone thinking that it was all down to Brexit is deluding themselves.

[Sid Bishop]

Been impressed with Nandy so far this campaign. She's got my vote as things stand

I saw all 4 candidates on Newsnight last night. Starmer seemed a waffler, will always use 30 words when ten would suffice, ducks and dives and avoids answering any hard questions. Thornberry as usual, talking all about herself and waffles away endlessly. Long Bailey was better than I thought she would, more direct than Starmer and Thornberry and seems to have a bit of steel in her, sharp and penetrating eyes that see right through you, but for me, the standout performer was Lisa Nandy, says it as it is and more in touch with the normal aspirations, problems and lives of working class people. She was also far brighter than I imagined, also she does NOT duck hard questions like Starmer and Thornberry, problem is she will not get the job, seems like it is already sewed up between Starmer and long Bailey. Lisa Nandy is a likable and intelligent woman, also seems to be a trustworthy, a quality not to be dismissed, she would win over many votes for Labour if elected as Leader..........but she WONT be chosen.....dont think !

[Max B Gold]

Been impressed with Nandy so far this campaign. She's got my vote as things stand

I saw all 4 candidates on Newsnight last night. Starmer seemed a waffler, will always use 30 words when ten would suffice, ducks and dives and avoids answering any hard questions. Thornberry as usual, talking all about herself and waffles away endlessly. Long Bailey was better than I thought she would, more direct than Starmer and Thornberry and seems to have a bit of steel in her, sharp and penetrating eyes that see right through you, but for me, the standout performer was Lisa Nandy, says it as it is and more in touch with the normal aspirations, problems and lives of working class people. She was also far brighter than I imagined, also she does NOT duck hard questions like Starmer and Thornberry, problem is she will not get the job, seems like it is already sewed up between Starmer and long Bailey. Lisa Nandy is a likable and intelligent woman, also seems to be a trustworthy, a quality not to be dismissed, she would win over many votes for Labour if elected as Leader..........but she WONT be chosen.....dont think !

Are you ok with Nandy's dad being a Marxist?

[Max B Gold]

The leader position isn't Labour's biggest problem. After all, previous Labour Prime Ministers were also well removed from the salt of the earth/working class masses they claimed to represent.

The issue for Labour is how it's membership base has drifted so far from their traditional voter base in terms of ideology. A truck driver from Rotherham and a Momentum activist from Hammersmith will be poles apart on both economic and social policies. There will be little that will unite them and they may even be repulsed by each other.

Yet that same truck driver may find they can relate to social policies supported by the Tories. Boris/Cummings clocked that all they had to do was signal a slight move left on economic policy and they could hoover up votes from the likes of our Rotherham truck driver. And that, along with "Get Brexit Done" is exactly what happened.

It's not all Corbyn's fault however. Or the current Labour party as a whole. Labour started shedding those voters back in the Blair/Brown days. Losing Scotland was also a sign of this. Only then it was Farage and UKIP that captured those English voters. And once they'd broken their connection with Labour it simply made the step of voting Tory a lot easier for them.

The problem for Labour is in reconciling these differences and appealing to Scottish and Northern voters again. And I'm not sure any of the senior Labour figures understand that problem, never mind have any idea of how to solve it. Brexit was the final nail in the coffin, but anyone thinking that it was all down to Brexit is deluding themselves.

That's a fair summary. Not enough class politics. Too much identity politics.

For many former Labour supporters in Scotland the party getting into bed and openly campaigning with Tories at the 2014 referendum was the final nail in the coffin. It was an easy move to the SNP because many of their policies were social democratic.

[Sid Bishop]

Been impressed with Nandy so far this campaign. She's got my vote as things stand

I saw all 4 candidates on Newsnight last night. Starmer seemed a waffler, will always use 30 words when ten would suffice, ducks and dives and avoids answering any hard questions. Thornberry as usual, talking all about herself and waffles away endlessly. Long Bailey was better than I thought she would, more direct than Starmer and Thornberry and seems to have a bit of steel in her, sharp and penetrating eyes that see right through you, but for me, the standout performer was Lisa Nandy, says it as it is and more in touch with the normal aspirations, problems and lives of working class people. She was also far brighter than I imagined, also she does NOT duck hard questions like Starmer and Thornberry, problem is she will not get the job, seems like it is already sewed up between Starmer and long Bailey. Lisa Nandy is a likable and intelligent woman, also seems to be a trustworthy, a quality not to be dismissed, she would win over many votes for Labour if elected as Leader..........but she WONT be chosen.....dont think !

Are you ok with Nandy's dad being a Marxist?

Yes I knew that, I read up about her on Wikipedia, yes I like her as do many others. Funny as I write this, all four are on the BBC news in front of a studio audience being interviewed by Victoria Derbyshire, just says this happened this morning. The thing is with Lisa is that people like her and she is down to earth, sensible, is caring and hs some good ideas and ticks many peoples boxes. But Labour will either pick Starmer, who is a waffler with little to no charisma or Long Baily who will not get the backing of many of the Labour MPs or the electorate in general.

[Max B Gold]

I saw all 4 candidates on Newsnight last night. Starmer seemed a waffler, will always use 30 words when ten would suffice, ducks and dives and avoids answering any hard questions. Thornberry as usual, talking all about herself and waffles away endlessly. Long Bailey was better than I thought she would, more direct than Starmer and Thornberry and seems to have a bit of steel in her, sharp and penetrating eyes that see right through you, but for me, the standout performer was Lisa Nandy, says it as it is and more in touch with the normal aspirations, problems and lives of working class people. She was also far brighter than I imagined, also she does NOT duck hard questions like Starmer and Thornberry, problem is she will not get the job, seems like it is already sewed up between Starmer and long Bailey. Lisa Nandy is a likable and intelligent woman, also seems to be a trustworthy, a quality not to be dismissed, she would win over many votes for Labour if elected as Leader..........but she WONT be chosen.....dont think !

Are you ok with Nandy's dad being a Marxist?

Yes I knew that, I read up about her on Wikipedia, yes I like her as do many others. Funny as I write this, all four are on the BBC news in front of a studio audience being interviewed by Victoria Derbyshire, just says this happened this morning. The thing is with Lisa is that people like her and she is down to earth, sensible, is caring and hs some good ideas and ticks many peoples boxes. But Labour will either pick Starmer, who is a waffler with little to no charisma or Long Baily who will not get the backing of many of the Labour MPs or the electorate in general.

If there are Labour MPs who cannot accept the outcome of a democratic election and get behind the leader they need to leave. Their presence is clearly serving another agenda not Labour's.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Play the ball and not the man for once. What makes you think RLB would be a good leader who'd make Labour electable?

I'm pretty much in full agreement with her political views. Surely that's what I should be basing who I vote for on, not how much 'charisma' or whatever they have?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Wasn't aware that I'd posted about her before on here.

She seems quite nice, but has that stilted way of speaking in clichés that people who are massively over promoted always do. Cruel of the Corbyn lot to force her to run tbh.

Also if we're ranking on policies, she's basically advocating all the policies that were rejected at the last election. So she has to come from a force of personality perspective. Which, to put it kindly, she's going to struggle with.

Which policies were rejected at the last election please?

[Currywurst and Chips]

Wasn't aware that I'd posted about her before on here.

She seems quite nice, but has that stilted way of speaking in clichés that people who are massively over promoted always do. Cruel of the Corbyn lot to force her to run tbh.

Also if we're ranking on policies, she's basically advocating all the policies that were rejected at the last election. So she has to come from a force of personality perspective. Which, to put it kindly, she's going to struggle with.

Which policies were rejected at the last election please?

None, Labour won the argument obvs

Fact they had their worst result for 85 years is immaterial

[Mikero]

Much as I would prefer a Labour government Max the party has never ever been a fully democratic organisation, everything is fixed by the power blocs within it. At present the left is in control so nothing much will change, certainly in terms of electability. Getting rid of those that disagree with the leadership is only going to make this worse.

Mikero

Are you ok with Nandy's dad being a Marxist?

Yes I knew that, I read up about her on Wikipedia, yes I like her as do many others. Funny as I write this, all four are on the BBC news in front of a studio audience being interviewed by Victoria Derbyshire, just says this happened this morning. The thing is with Lisa is that people like her and she is down to earth, sensible, is caring and hs some good ideas and ticks many peoples boxes. But Labour will either pick Starmer, who is a waffler with little to no charisma or Long Baily who will not get the backing of many of the Labour MPs or the electorate in general.

If there are Labour MPs who cannot accept the outcome of a democratic election and get behind the leader they need to leave. Their presence is clearly serving another agenda not Labour's.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Wasn't aware that I'd posted about her before on here.

She seems quite nice, but has that stilted way of speaking in clichés that people who are massively over promoted always do. Cruel of the Corbyn lot to force her to run tbh.

Also if we're ranking on policies, she's basically advocating all the policies that were rejected at the last election. So she has to come from a force of personality perspective. Which, to put it kindly, she's going to struggle with.

Which policies were rejected at the last election please?

None, Labour won the argument obvs

Fact they had their worst result for 85 years is immaterial

They pulled in a lower share of the vote in 2015. And 2010. This ‘Worst result in 85 years’ stuff is a bit dramatic.

But regardless, which policies were rejected? I’d be delighted to know.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Which policies were rejected at the last election please?

None, Labour won the argument obvs

Fact they had their worst result for 85 years is immaterial

They pulled in a lower share of the vote in 2015. And 2010. This ‘Worst result in 85 years’ stuff is a bit dramatic.

But regardless, which policies were rejected? I’d be delighted to know.

Yet achieved a higher seat count in both elections, it's not dramatic it's the truth. In a representative democracy under FPTP seat count is all that matters. Corbyn lead Labour to their worst result for 85 years, surpassing Michael Foot

I don't believe there's been any post-election polling on specific policies so its not possible to say which ones were rejected. However this is the polling data on reasons why voters left the party in Dec 2019 (I.e. the people the party need to win back)

[ComeOnYouOs]

funny that..i saw a poll that said 49% of those that had previously voted Labour, but voted Tory this time ( God forgive them), voted so, because of Brexit

In any case, i stopped believing any polls by You gov a long time ago. You gov is owned by Tories

[Currywurst and Chips]

funny that..i saw a poll that said 49% of those that had previously voted Labour, but voted Tory this time ( God forgive them), voted so, because of Brexit

In any case, i stopped believing any polls by You gov a long time ago. You gov is owned by Tories

Post it then or at least a link to it..... Can't wait

If you think YouGov is owned by the Tories how do you explain their exit poll in Dec 2019?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

None, Labour won the argument obvs

Fact they had their worst result for 85 years is immaterial

They pulled in a lower share of the vote in 2015. And 2010. This ‘Worst result in 85 years’ stuff is a bit dramatic.

But regardless, which policies were rejected? I’d be delighted to know.

Yet achieved a higher seat count in both elections, it's not dramatic it's the truth. In a representative democracy under FPTP seat count is all that matters. Corbyn lead Labour to their worst result for 85 years, surpassing Michael Foot

I don't believe there's been any post-election polling on specific policies so its not possible to say which ones were rejected. However this is the polling data on reasons why voters left the party in Dec 2019 (I.e. the people the party need to win back)

Not sure how that answers which policies were rejected?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Also not sure how they’ve got to 117%

[Currywurst and Chips]

They pulled in a lower share of the vote in 2015. And 2010. This ‘Worst result in 85 years’ stuff is a bit dramatic.

But regardless, which policies were rejected? I’d be delighted to know.

Yet achieved a higher seat count in both elections, it's not dramatic it's the truth. In a representative democracy under FPTP seat count is all that matters. Corbyn lead Labour to their worst result for 85 years, surpassing Michael Foot

I don't believe there's been any post-election polling on specific policies so its not possible to say which ones were rejected. However this is the polling data on reasons why voters left the party in Dec 2019 (I.e. the people the party need to win back)

Not sure how that answers which policies were rejected?

See second paragraph

HTH

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Not really fella.

A couple of posts above you stated that labours policies were rejected at the last election. I asked which ones. You’re now saying no data is available on the subject.

[Currywurst and Chips]

It isn't, all we have to go on is other polling related to the outcome

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Thank you for admitting you were talking tosh.