Webb sacked

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I won’t be upset if he has gone.

Yep. Nothing wrong with a bit of churn, though I suspect that's not why you won't be upset

Not sure what you mean?

I’ve always had him down as bit of a chancer getting by on his old mans rep. That’s all.

[tuffers#1]

Best the club puts this to bed quickly if he has been dismissed, otherwise it'll be like the old days. Seems much turbulence since the Fletcher cock up .
Arguments disagreements on tactics probably. Ross never wanted to be a manager, Webby made it very clear along time ago that he did, so I can understand how he might be a little niggled, but it's all hearsay right now . Odd though his dissapearence and Brill sitting in his place

Ross said he didnt want to be manager under these circumstances. He obviously changed his mind
Webby said it was right Ross should be given 1st go as
He felt he was to young & wanted to be more invilved with development of youth .

Too young ? They are the same age !
I can't say I saw any quote or comment from Webby

Maybe he means too young in experience .
Remember webby was playing .
Ross was coaching aged 21 .

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

I won’t be upset if he has gone.

Yep. Nothing wrong with a bit of churn, though I suspect that's not why you won't be upset

Not sure what you mean?

I’ve always had him down as bit of a chancer getting by on his old mans rep. That’s all.

I mean I don't mind if coaching staff move on every few years. Good to have fresh ideas and fresh voices. I knew this wouldn't be behind your reasoning though.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Not sure I agree with that - if someone is right for the job, you don’t just kick them out for the sake of it after a period of time.

[Thor]

Too many issues under lings command. Questions still need to be asked about his effectiveness and suitability and decision making.

[Lucky7]

Too many issues under Thor’s boarding. Questions still need to be asked about his effectiveness suitability and decision making.

[tuffers#1]

Not sure I agree with that - if someone is right for the job, you don’t just kick them out for the sake of it after a period of time.

Seemed to work for Fergie

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Not sure I agree with that - if someone is right for the job, you don’t just kick them out for the sake of it after a period of time.

Seemed to work for Fergie

That's actually a good point that backs up my view. But RedO is also right that if you have someone doing a very good job there's no point binning them off for the sake of it though.

[tuffers#1]

Not sure I agree with that - if someone is right for the job, you don’t just kick them out for the sake of it after a period of time.

Seemed to work for Fergie

That's actually a good point that backs up my view. But RedO is also right that if you have someone doing a very good job there's no point binning them off for the sake of it though.

Has the Rumour been confirmed then ?

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Seemed to work for Fergie

That's actually a good point that backs up my view. But RedO is also right that if you have someone doing a very good job there's no point binning them off for the sake of it though.

Has the Rumour been confirmed then ?

No clue. Guess we will hear whether Webb has left The Club or not within the next few days, but perhaps not the reason.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Something for the moaners:

Anybody else hear this today?

Heard a few reasons for it Inc slagging off the board and undermining Ross.

Didn't see him in the dugout.

This rumour was also in the match thread. Someone straight away turned it around and suggested the rumour was wrong and that Webb may have walked because he doesn't like bias towards Embleton.

He was probably on a warning from his unprofessionalism during the Fletcher weeks so if there has been another breach the club are right to get rid.

Reality could just be that he was unwell and hence not there today

SF
That person was me. You misread my initial post by your first comment then developed the error of interpretation.

Let's get it straight - simply there was just rumours in the other thread and I was suggesting alternative reasons for his departure which i used the word "may" -included alternative reasons :
1. Sacking - if he had a fight with Fletcher
2. Frustration of watching a co worker being promoted DUE to the BIAS of a boss ML.

You answer my comment was biased how can it be biased if I was suggesting what I and others have consistently thought - ie Ross being upgraded because Martin sees him as his a person that he known for 22years classified him as a brilliant coach and he has been coaching since he was 16.

Ml says RE also if he fails (in a interview which you can watch) he does not want him to get rid of him.

On the other hand we have no comment or genuine clarification from ML in his stupid QA presentation of informing the public after his "investigation"- he offered no opportunity or failsafe net or for Carl Fletcher to rectify whatever CF was not doing to ML satisfaction

If ML was not biased and remains biased to his young friend being put in as a manager lofc would not be in this league position

I am just one of many that see as it so clear

If it was down to any issue with Fletcher he'd have been fired back then.

If Webb is frustrated at a more senior colleague getting a chance before him then that's his fault and an area that he needs to develop (understanding hierarchy) to improve. Because he's not going to be promoted in effect twice over someone more senior - that's almost cloud cuckoo land stuff if he or anyone else believes that.

As for Ling being biased, it's not a case of bias but knowing someone better than others and believing them to be better than other options available. Wrong? Misguided? Poor judgement? Yes. Biased? No.

[Howling Mad Murdock]

Not sure I agree with that - if someone is right for the job, you don’t just kick them out for the sake of it after a period of time.

Seemed to work for Fergie

Didn't know he was at Orient.

[tuffers#1]

Not sure I agree with that - if someone is right for the job, you don’t just kick them out for the sake of it after a period of time.

Seemed to work for Fergie

Didn't know he was at Orient.

I was on about HRH ginger one !!

[Howling Mad Murdock]

Seemed to work for Fergie

Didn't know he was at Orient.

I was on about HRH ginger one !!

Oh Matt Harrold.IC.

[tuffers#1]

Didn't know he was at Orient.

I was on about HRH ginger one !!

Oh Matt Harrold.IC.

Know She HRH Fergie

ICF

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

I will just have to accept we both see it with the word "biased"differently

Ml is biased towards RE - that is the prime reason he upgraded him in the circumstances that have occurred - biased defined as ML preference in an environment where Ross initially said he did not want the job and gave clear reasons. The whole process or saga is well documented

I disagree on your word "best" in your narrative. "Best / brilliant" are both subjective words.

What you should accept is that the don't understand what bias is and to try to put that right. And I haven't used "Best" or "brilliant" in the post you are replying to, so it's odd that you raise that

Ling promoted Embleton based on seniority within the coaching staff, which is not bias. That doesn't mean that we were right not to bring in an experienced manager to be our head coach though. It just means that the most senior person on the staff got the job after deciding he wanted to be the head coach permanently and agreeing a new contract to do so.

You also can't compare treatment of Embleton to Fletcher - everything about his few weeks in charge were just a disaster, whereas the players are responding better to Embleton than they did to Fletcher, even if we haven't been getting results. It would have been easier for the club not to have binned him off after a few weeks for many reasons.

[EliotNes]

Brill was in the dugout all miked up and was dishing out instructions to a lot of players during injury stoppages.

[Thor]

I will just have to accept we both see it with the word "biased"differently

Ml is biased towards RE - that is the prime reason he upgraded him in the circumstances that have occurred - biased defined as ML preference in an environment where Ross initially said he did not want the job and gave clear reasons. The whole process or saga is well documented

I disagree on your word "best" in your narrative. "Best / brilliant" are both subjective words.

What you should accept is that the don't understand what bias is and to try to put that right. And I haven't used "Best" or "brilliant" in the post you are replying to, so it's odd that you raise that

Ling promoted Embleton based on seniority within the coaching staff, which is not bias. That doesn't mean that we were right not to bring in an experienced manager to be our head coach though. It just means that the most senior person on the staff got the job after deciding he wanted to be the head coach permanently and agreeing a new contract to do so.

You also can't compare treatment of Embleton to Fletcher - everything about his few weeks in charge were just a disaster, whereas the players are responding better to Embleton than they did to Fletcher, even if we haven't been getting results. It would have been easier for the club not to have binned him off after a few weeks for many reasons.

I wasn’t one of the people calling for Danny to be given the head coaches job. But I do agree their is a bias where Ross the boss is concerned with ling. he is looking after him like a father figure would. There is no way you can tell me he was the best person for the job, a job he didn’t want just five weeks ago. He is not a head coach, he is a glorified boy puppet of the master.

It will end messy, and it will cost Ross his job and lings as well.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

I will just have to accept we both see it with the word "biased"differently

Ml is biased towards RE - that is the prime reason he upgraded him in the circumstances that have occurred - biased defined as ML preference in an environment where Ross initially said he did not want the job and gave clear reasons. The whole process or saga is well documented

I disagree on your word "best" in your narrative. "Best / brilliant" are both subjective words.

What you should accept is that the don't understand what bias is and to try to put that right. And I haven't used "Best" or "brilliant" in the post you are replying to, so it's odd that you raise that

Ling promoted Embleton based on seniority within the coaching staff, which is not bias. That doesn't mean that we were right not to bring in an experienced manager to be our head coach though. It just means that the most senior person on the staff got the job after deciding he wanted to be the head coach permanently and agreeing a new contract to do so.

You also can't compare treatment of Embleton to Fletcher - everything about his few weeks in charge were just a disaster, whereas the players are responding better to Embleton than they did to Fletcher, even if we haven't been getting results. It would have been easier for the club not to have binned him off after a few weeks for many reasons.

I wasn’t one of the people calling for Danny to be given the head coaches job. But I do agree their is a bias where Ross the boss is concerned with ling. he is looking after him like a father figure would. There is no way you can tell me he was the best person for the job, a job he didn’t want just five weeks ago. He is not a head coach, he is a glorified boy puppet of the master.

It will end messy, and it will cost Ross his job and lings as well.

I haven't said he was the best man for the job anywhere. He clearly did want the job if he signed a new contract to accept it - doubt anyone held a gun to his head. Ling was obviously going to offer to him as the most senior out of the staff. He's clearly also going to mentor him in this position and help him to develop as a head coach. Sure all will admit he has a way to go to develop the necessary skills.

If Ling loses his job because of poor decisions then fine with me.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

He didn’t want the job when he was losing every week.

He then gave notice he would quit, won a few games when the pressure was off, and changed his mind. Seeing how bad fletcher was only reconfirmed his belief he could do the job.

[Thor]

But he said he was not going to say he wanted the job now as that would be ridiculous when reappointed to the interim role. Ling has worked and pressured him in to believing he could do the job, thus exonerating him from having to find a manager who could do the job, and failing once more in finding us that person.

Davis failed
Justin an absolute legend
Embleton as interim failed
Fletch failed
Embleton as interim failed
Embleton as head coach the jury is out

Ling is scared to fail once more. I bet some of these players in the lists of 10 per role did not want to come due to all the uncertainty around the club and the head coach role. Also many would not want to play for lingleton either.

[Lovejoy]

Did Fletch fail or did he ruffle the feathers of some players by wanting to play a system that they were not fit enough to implement properly?

[BiggsyMalone]

But he said he was not going to say he wanted the job now as that would be ridiculous when reappointed to the interim role. Ling has worked and pressured him in to believing he could do the job, thus exonerating him from having to find a manager who could do the job, and failing once more in finding us that person.

Davis failed
Justin an absolute legend
Embleton as interim failed
Fletch failed
Embleton as interim failed
Embleton as head coach the jury is out

Ling is scared to fail once more. I bet some of these players in the lists of 10 per role did not want to come due to all the uncertainty around the club and the head coach role. Also many would not want to play for lingleton either.

Ross worked as a number 2 with the same players and the same coaching set up. This whole stability arguement that means Ross will be a good manager is nonsense. He's failed twice at the job and has been rewarded with a permanent contract. What other job does that happen in?

[Fellowo]

Webb leaves and Orient win a game looking a damn sight better than they have for quite a long time.

Just saying.

[gshaw]

Webb leaves and Orient win a game looking a damn sight better than they have for quite a long time.

Just saying.

Correlation not equal to causation in this case I think

The JE Stand unveiling yesterday seemed to gee the team up in the same way it did against Cheltenham. Proof of the pudding comes over the next 2-3 games.