the brawl

[OyinbO]

Forgive me, I haven't seen it mentioned much on here yet. Was definitely the highlight of the evening for me. Didn't see much detail though, as I sit at the other end of the ground. Anyone get a good sight of how it started, and what ensued?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

JMD picked the ball up, the bloke that gave the pen away then ripped JMDs head off to get the ball back off of him, Dayton then tried to get the ball of him and they fell to the floor, then everyone else piled in.

[OyinbO]

Cheers. Was it the same bloke that got sent off (for them)?

[Chicken Dhansak]

I saw it on tv last night. It looked like an Orient player and the guy from Northampton were running to get the ball out
of the goal after the penalty was scored, and our man barged their bloke into the goalpost, and their bloke reacted to it.

[A Pedant]

Forgive me, I haven't seen it mentioned much on here yet.

Discussed at length, with video footage, in the Orient's Penalty thread.

[Urbane Vancelo]

Good name for a band.

[Constanza]

We should name this brawl.

The fight after the Wright.
UFC at the LOFC

[Cheshunto]

I think it was more “Handbags at Dawn” rather than a brawl .
JMD is flat out but I don’t think he gets hit.

[sopranO]

The business of racing back to the centre spot with the ball has always confused me.I believe,and please correct me if I'm wrong,that the game only restarts when the team that has conceded the goal kicks off again..so it's not really an advantage to either side how quickly or slowly the ball is delivered back to the middle...

[FargO]

The business of racing back to the centre spot with the ball has always confused me.I believe,and please correct me if I'm wrong,that the game only restarts when the team that has conceded the goal kicks off again..so it's not really an advantage to either side how quickly or slowly the ball is delivered back to the middle...

It doesn't happen in Rugby or cricket (or snooker for that matter).

[KC & sunshine band]

ling dropped his wallet behind the goal

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

The business of racing back to the centre spot with the ball has always confused me.I believe,and please correct me if I'm wrong,that the game only restarts when the team that has conceded the goal kicks off again..so it's not really an advantage to either side how quickly or slowly the ball is delivered back to the middle...

Having the ball back on the centre spot and ready to restart probably motivates the ref to get on with the game again though, (i.e. hurrying up the team kicking off to get going), otherwise the kicking off team could just fartarse around and slowly return the ball to the middle and take their own sweet time in restarting.

[eagwgw]

It is true in one sense, it is probably marginal and only buys a few more seconds.

The main aspect is psychological, telling the other team that 'we think we can win this, we don't want a draw'.

If it was a cup tie against National League opponents we would have done it, but like I said I think it reflects the dressing room thinking that a point is a good result.

[Story of O]

Did anyone see one of their substituted players run from the bench to join in?

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

It is true in one sense, it is probably marginal and only buys a few more seconds.

The main aspect is psychological, telling the other team that 'we think we can win this, we don't want a draw'.

If it was a cup tie against National League opponents we would have done it, but like I said I think it reflects the dressing room thinking that a point is a good result.

Good point too. Slowing the game is a momentum killer though and no guarantee the ref adds on a similar additonal time from delaying the restart. Keeping the ball out of play is a good tactic when you don't want to throw a result away.

[BIGRON]

Did anyone see one of their substituted players run from the bench to join in?

It certainly looked like it

[Bergen]

I think the fine after the Port Vale incident in September, was £ 2000. I guess the fine will be a bit higher this time.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I think it was more “Handbags at Dawn” rather than a brawl .
JMD is flat out but I don’t think he gets hit.

JMD was the one who was properly assaulted.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

The business of racing back to the centre spot with the ball has always confused me.I believe,and please correct me if I'm wrong,that the game only restarts when the team that has conceded the goal kicks off again..so it's not really an advantage to either side how quickly or slowly the ball is delivered back to the middle...

Having the ball back on the centre spot and ready to restart probably motivates the ref to get on with the game again though, (i.e. hurrying up the team kicking off to get going), otherwise the kicking off team could just fartarse around and slowly return the ball to the middle and take their own sweet time in restarting.

What is it they have to add on? 30 seconds for each goal or substitution?

If it takes longer than 30 seconds to restart the game, then time is being lost.

Have a watch of some of the Orient clips on Youtube from the 70s or 80s, even into the early 90s, and it's amazing how little time it took from scoring a goal to the match restarting. It's nothing like that nowadays - it's not seconds you're saving, it's potentially minutes.

[spen666]

The business of racing back to the centre spot with the ball has always confused me.I believe,and please correct me if I'm wrong,that the game only restarts when the team that has conceded the goal kicks off again..so it's not really an advantage to either side how quickly or slowly the ball is delivered back to the middle...

Having the ball back on the centre spot and ready to restart probably motivates the ref to get on with the game again though, (i.e. hurrying up the team kicking off to get going), otherwise the kicking off team could just fartarse around and slowly return the ball to the middle and take their own sweet time in restarting.

What is it they have to add on? 30 seconds for each goal or substitution?

If it takes longer than 30 seconds to restart the game, then time is being lost.

Have a watch of some of the Orient clips on Youtube from the 70s or 80s, even into the early 90s, and it's amazing how little time it took from scoring a goal to the match restarting. It's nothing like that nowadays - it's not seconds you're saving, it's potentially minutes.

If you want to speed up restart after a goal then you need to change laws

1. Allow game to restart at conceding teams discretion ie they can kick off whilst opposition are performing their choreographed celebration routine.
2. Make it a bookable offence for any player on scoring team to touch the ball until game has restarted ( to stop them kicking ball away)


Job done...team with over elaborate celebration will find they have conceded whilst celebrating

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

But how would that have ensured Northampton didn't time waste after scoring on Tuesday night?

This is about us wanting to restart quickly. They obviously didn't want to.

[Max B Gold]

Having the ball back on the centre spot and ready to restart probably motivates the ref to get on with the game again though, (i.e. hurrying up the team kicking off to get going), otherwise the kicking off team could just fartarse around and slowly return the ball to the middle and take their own sweet time in restarting.

What is it they have to add on? 30 seconds for each goal or substitution?

If it takes longer than 30 seconds to restart the game, then time is being lost.

Have a watch of some of the Orient clips on Youtube from the 70s or 80s, even into the early 90s, and it's amazing how little time it took from scoring a goal to the match restarting. It's nothing like that nowadays - it's not seconds you're saving, it's potentially minutes.

If you want to speed up restart after a goal then you need to change laws

1. Allow game to restart at conceding teams discretion ie they can kick off whilst opposition are performing their choreographed celebration routine.
2. Make it a bookable offence for any player on scoring team to touch the ball until game has restarted ( to stop them kicking ball away)


Job done...team with over elaborate celebration will find they have conceded whilst celebrating

Yes the game needs more laws.

[spen666]

What is it they have to add on? 30 seconds for each goal or substitution?

If it takes longer than 30 seconds to restart the game, then time is being lost.

Have a watch of some of the Orient clips on Youtube from the 70s or 80s, even into the early 90s, and it's amazing how little time it took from scoring a goal to the match restarting. It's nothing like that nowadays - it's not seconds you're saving, it's potentially minutes.

If you want to speed up restart after a goal then you need to change laws

1. Allow game to restart at conceding teams discretion ie they can kick off whilst opposition are performing their choreographed celebration routine.
2. Make it a bookable offence for any player on scoring team to touch the ball until game has restarted ( to stop them kicking ball away)


Job done...team with over elaborate celebration will find they have conceded whilst celebrating

Yes the game needs more laws.

I am reducing the laws by

removing law re bookings for celebrations and removing the law preventing opposition taking kick offs quickly. And only 1 new law, so a net reduction of 1