Ling Out - Embleton Out

[Thor]

Enoughs enough. Time for both people to go. The thread on Embleton is emphatic at 93% for Embleton to go.

Ling has presided over the Davis poor choice of manager. He put Ross in caretaker charge and he didn’t win a game. He got lucky with Justin. He then Appoints Ross in an interim role and other than the four games when he had stepped down and the pressure was off he was poor. Let me quantify that.

The squad is unfit, the tactics are all wrong, the shape is all over the place, how many formations have we tried? He picks square pegs in round holes at times, he favours certain players no matter how piss poor they are. Then there is the underlying without proof of course that he is lings puppet, for example Justin lists Alabi for reasons we are know why, Ross takes over and more or less straight Alabi is off the list and in the team and or squad. If that’s not interference then I’m not sure what is. He use of subs is poor, his use of the youth is poor as it seems like he doesn’t trust them. Then when we look at his record it’s 6 wins in 25 games or 24% lower than when Davis was sacked.

Then we have the fletch debacle and that has to be the most emabarssaing appointment in the clubs entire 138 year history. He doesn’t look at proven managers already in a role with the opportunity to try and recruit them to his club. He doesn’t look at managers who failed before so that more or less rules everyone out, and provides the board with a short list of 2. Pathetic. He has it would appear from the outside given his son a contract when he had not earnt one, when in reality we should have after last season be looking to ship him out.

Then we have the Q&A which was an embarrassment to the club. He was looking to put his feet up and relax as he wasn’t looking for a new manager, you can’t make this stuff up. Then there’s the recruit,net of players, we’ve been crying out for a central midfielder for three years since he re joined the club and yet he can’t see that our midfield gets steamrollered every game. He played at the highest level, he knows the game yet can’t see the major flaw in the team.

I have zero confidence In ling bringing in the right players, I have zero confidence in him finding us he right manager either, not that he’s looking or anything either.

I have zero confidence in Ross either to continue in his role, it is time for change.

Heads need to roll.

[kokomO]

The only way we'll get an 'outsider' in with his own team would be if we lost the DOF position. That isn't going to happen. Too many people in cosy positions unfortunately. That's what happens when a club becomes an old boys network. This was proven with the whole 'Fletcher saga'

The only way this will change is if the crowds start to considerably fall away and I can't see that happening this season whatever happens.

[Lucky7]

Got lucky with Justin?

Cretin

[Sid Bishop]

The only way we'll get an 'outsider' in with his own team would be if we lost the DOF position. That isn't going to happen. Too many people in cosy positions unfortunately. That's what happens when a club becomes an old boys network. This was proven with the whole 'Fletcher saga'

The only way this will change is if the crowds start to considerably fall away and I can't see that happening this season whatever happens.

In one, yes the team HAS become an ''Old boys'' network.

[Lucky7]

This board is an old boys network

[Chicken Dhansak]

Well feck off then.

[Tom Chance]

Well feck off then.

You beat me to it!

[Lucky7]

Well feck off then.

At least your not denying it

What is the average age of the boarders on here got to be high 50’s at least

[Cheshunto]

Ling and Ross are fixtures until the end of the season.
I think the best we can hope for is some reasonable recruiting in January and a mid-table finish.
Season Ticket sales will fall due to the, so far anyway, poor home performances.
FFS we haven’t won at home for nearly 3 months, that’s not gonna get punters coming back, however I don’t think our owners will sack Ling while they spend so much time away from the UK.

[The Big Shot]

Understand what you're saying Thor, but you can't just take the decisions that end up being correct and calling them lucky - because on the flip side I can just turnaround and say he was unlucky in hiring Carl Fletcher. Not the correct way IMO to describe both situations and decisions.

Yeah your overall point is right, but you equally have to credit good decisions and criticise poor decisions. Not describing them as lucky or unlucky.

[Cheshunto]

I don’t think that Carl Fletchers appointment was totally wrong or unlucky.
The other coaches and some players just didn’t like some ideas that he had, ie players unfit and not good enough and so Fletch didn’t fit in with the already established ‘boys club’.

[Sid Bishop]

Enoughs enough. Time for both people to go. The thread on Embleton is emphatic at 93% for Embleton to go.

Ling has presided over the Davis poor choice of manager. He put Ross in caretaker charge and he didn’t win a game. He got lucky with Justin. He then Appoints Ross in an interim role and other than the four games when he had stepped down and the pressure was off he was poor. Let me quantify that.

The squad is unfit, the tactics are all wrong, the shape is all over the place, how many formations have we tried? He picks square pegs in round holes at times, he favours certain players no matter how p*ss poor they are. Then there is the underlying without proof of course that he is lings puppet, for example Justin lists Alabi for reasons we are know why, Ross takes over and more or less straight Alabi is off the list and in the team and or squad. If that’s not interference then I’m not sure what is. He use of subs is poor, his use of the youth is poor as it seems like he doesn’t trust them. Then when we look at his record it’s 6 wins in 25 games or 24% lower than when Davis was sacked.

Then we have the fletch debacle and that has to be the most emabarssaing appointment in the clubs entire 138 year history. He doesn’t look at proven managers already in a role with the opportunity to try and recruit them to his club. He doesn’t look at managers who failed before so that more or less rules everyone out, and provides the board with a short list of 2. Pathetic. He has it would appear from the outside given his son a contract when he had not earnt one, when in reality we should have after last season be looking to ship him out.

Then we have the Q&A which was an embarrassment to the club. He was looking to put his feet up and relax as he wasn’t looking for a new manager, you can’t make this stuff up. Then there’s the recruit,net of players, we’ve been crying out for a central midfielder for three years since he re joined the club and yet he can’t see that our midfield gets steamrollered every game. He played at the highest level, he knows the game yet can’t see the major flaw in the team.

I have zero confidence In ling bringing in the right players, I have zero confidence in him finding us he right manager either, not that he’s looking or anything either.

I have zero confidence in Ross either to continue in his role, it is time for change.

Heads need to roll.

I make you right on every point you have written above.
I just checked the results of the 8 league games played since Ross took over as interim manager after Carl Fletcher was sacked, starting with the 2-0 home defeat on 16th November 2019 to Scunthorpe Utd. Well including that game, 8 league games played, only 6 points gained !! If you also take in the games where Fletcher was fully in charge e.g just one point from three League Two games, then that amounts to just 7 points from the last 11 league games the Os have played !! We now have just 26 points from 25 games, so 21 to play, if we keep up our current form from the last 11 games, e.g 7 points from 11 games, that is an average of just 0.636 points per game, then we are looking at between 13 to 14 points from the rest of the games left this season, if that did happen, then would leave a season ending total points score of around 38 to 39 points..........relegation form indeed ! Conclusion, something must be done and QUICKLY to turn around this terrible run of bad form !!

[Thor]

Understand what you're saying Thor, but you can't just take the decisions that end up being correct and calling them lucky - because on the flip side I can just turnaround and say he was unlucky in hiring Carl Fletcher. Not the correct way IMO to describe both situations and decisions.

Yeah your overall point is right, but you equally have to credit good decisions and criticise poor decisions. Not describing them as lucky or unlucky.

Point taken.

[Red_Army]

Enoughs enough. Time for both people to go. The thread on Embleton is emphatic at 93% for Embleton to go.

Ling has presided over the Davis poor choice of manager. He put Ross in caretaker charge and he didn’t win a game. He got lucky with Justin. He then Appoints Ross in an interim role and other than the four games when he had stepped down and the pressure was off he was poor. Let me quantify that.

The squad is unfit, the tactics are all wrong, the shape is all over the place, how many formations have we tried? He picks square pegs in round holes at times, he favours certain players no matter how p*ss poor they are. Then there is the underlying without proof of course that he is lings puppet, for example Justin lists Alabi for reasons we are know why, Ross takes over and more or less straight Alabi is off the list and in the team and or squad. If that’s not interference then I’m not sure what is. He use of subs is poor, his use of the youth is poor as it seems like he doesn’t trust them. Then when we look at his record it’s 6 wins in 25 games or 24% lower than when Davis was sacked.

Then we have the fletch debacle and that has to be the most emabarssaing appointment in the clubs entire 138 year history. He doesn’t look at proven managers already in a role with the opportunity to try and recruit them to his club. He doesn’t look at managers who failed before so that more or less rules everyone out, and provides the board with a short list of 2. Pathetic. He has it would appear from the outside given his son a contract when he had not earnt one, when in reality we should have after last season be looking to ship him out.

Then we have the Q&A which was an embarrassment to the club. He was looking to put his feet up and relax as he wasn’t looking for a new manager, you can’t make this stuff up. Then there’s the recruit,net of players, we’ve been crying out for a central midfielder for three years since he re joined the club and yet he can’t see that our midfield gets steamrollered every game. He played at the highest level, he knows the game yet can’t see the major flaw in the team.

I have zero confidence In ling bringing in the right players, I have zero confidence in him finding us he right manager either, not that he’s looking or anything either.

I have zero confidence in Ross either to continue in his role, it is time for change.

Heads need to roll.

I make you right on every point you have written above.
I just checked the results of the 8 league games played since Ross took over as interim manager after Carl Fletcher was sacked, starting with the 2-0 home defeat on 16th November 2019 to Scunthorpe Utd. Well including that game, 8 league games played, only 6 points gained !! If you also take in the games where Fletcher was fully in charge e.g just one point from three League Two games, then that amounts to just 7 points from the last 11 league games the Os have played !! We now have just 26 points from 25 games, so 21 to play, if we keep up our current form from the last 11 games, e.g 7 points from 11 games, that is an average of just 0.636 points per game, then we are looking at between 13 to 14 points from the rest of the games left this season, if that did happen, then would leave a season ending total points score of around 38 to 39 points..........relegation form indeed ! Conclusion, something must be done and QUICKLY to turn around this terrible run of bad form !!

38 points would probably be enough this season but I'm not sure I'd like to test that theory.

[Sid Bishop]

Enoughs enough. Time for both people to go. The thread on Embleton is emphatic at 93% for Embleton to go.

Ling has presided over the Davis poor choice of manager. He put Ross in caretaker charge and he didn’t win a game. He got lucky with Justin. He then Appoints Ross in an interim role and other than the four games when he had stepped down and the pressure was off he was poor. Let me quantify that.

The squad is unfit, the tactics are all wrong, the shape is all over the place, how many formations have we tried? He picks square pegs in round holes at times, he favours certain players no matter how p*ss poor they are. Then there is the underlying without proof of course that he is lings puppet, for example Justin lists Alabi for reasons we are know why, Ross takes over and more or less straight Alabi is off the list and in the team and or squad. If that’s not interference then I’m not sure what is. He use of subs is poor, his use of the youth is poor as it seems like he doesn’t trust them. Then when we look at his record it’s 6 wins in 25 games or 24% lower than when Davis was sacked.

Then we have the fletch debacle and that has to be the most emabarssaing appointment in the clubs entire 138 year history. He doesn’t look at proven managers already in a role with the opportunity to try and recruit them to his club. He doesn’t look at managers who failed before so that more or less rules everyone out, and provides the board with a short list of 2. Pathetic. He has it would appear from the outside given his son a contract when he had not earnt one, when in reality we should have after last season be looking to ship him out.

Then we have the Q&A which was an embarrassment to the club. He was looking to put his feet up and relax as he wasn’t looking for a new manager, you can’t make this stuff up. Then there’s the recruit,net of players, we’ve been crying out for a central midfielder for three years since he re joined the club and yet he can’t see that our midfield gets steamrollered every game. He played at the highest level, he knows the game yet can’t see the major flaw in the team.

I have zero confidence In ling bringing in the right players, I have zero confidence in him finding us he right manager either, not that he’s looking or anything either.

I have zero confidence in Ross either to continue in his role, it is time for change.

Heads need to roll.

I make you right on every point you have written above.
I just checked the results of the 8 league games played since Ross took over as interim manager after Carl Fletcher was sacked, starting with the 2-0 home defeat on 16th November 2019 to Scunthorpe Utd. Well including that game, 8 league games played, only 6 points gained !! If you also take in the games where Fletcher was fully in charge e.g just one point from three League Two games, then that amounts to just 7 points from the last 11 league games the Os have played !! We now have just 26 points from 25 games, so 21 to play, if we keep up our current form from the last 11 games, e.g 7 points from 11 games, that is an average of just 0.636 points per game, then we are looking at between 13 to 14 points from the rest of the games left this season, if that did happen, then would leave a season ending total points score of around 38 to 39 points..........relegation form indeed ! Conclusion, something must be done and QUICKLY to turn around this terrible run of bad form !!

38 points would probably be enough this season but I'm not sure I'd like to test that theory.

Last season the two teams relegated were Yeovil Town who finished with 40 points and Notts County who got 41 points. Macclesfield Town escaped relegation by gaining 44 points and next team above them were Cambridge Utd who got a total of 47 points. So no time for us to get too complacent and say the same thing as the last time we got demoted from Division two...e.g ''we are far too good to get demoted'' !

[RedDwarf 1881]

Enoughs enough. Time for both people to go. The thread on Embleton is emphatic at 93% for Embleton to go.

Ling has presided over the Davis poor choice of manager. He put Ross in caretaker charge and he didn’t win a game. He got lucky with Justin. He then Appoints Ross in an interim role and other than the four games when he had stepped down and the pressure was off he was poor. Let me quantify that.

The squad is unfit, the tactics are all wrong, the shape is all over the place, how many formations have we tried? He picks square pegs in round holes at times, he favours certain players no matter how p*ss poor they are. Then there is the underlying without proof of course that he is lings puppet, for example Justin lists Alabi for reasons we are know why, Ross takes over and more or less straight Alabi is off the list and in the team and or squad. If that’s not interference then I’m not sure what is. He use of subs is poor, his use of the youth is poor as it seems like he doesn’t trust them. Then when we look at his record it’s 6 wins in 25 games or 24% lower than when Davis was sacked.

Then we have the fletch debacle and that has to be the most emabarssaing appointment in the clubs entire 138 year history. He doesn’t look at proven managers already in a role with the opportunity to try and recruit them to his club. He doesn’t look at managers who failed before so that more or less rules everyone out, and provides the board with a short list of 2. Pathetic. He has it would appear from the outside given his son a contract when he had not earnt one, when in reality we should have after last season be looking to ship him out.

Then we have the Q&A which was an embarrassment to the club. He was looking to put his feet up and relax as he wasn’t looking for a new manager, you can’t make this stuff up. Then there’s the recruit,net of players, we’ve been crying out for a central midfielder for three years since he re joined the club and yet he can’t see that our midfield gets steamrollered every game. He played at the highest level, he knows the game yet can’t see the major flaw in the team.

I have zero confidence In ling bringing in the right players, I have zero confidence in him finding us he right manager either, not that he’s looking or anything either.

I have zero confidence in Ross either to continue in his role, it is time for change.

Heads need to roll.

I make you right on every point you have written above.
I just checked the results of the 8 league games played since Ross took over as interim manager after Carl Fletcher was sacked, starting with the 2-0 home defeat on 16th November 2019 to Scunthorpe Utd. Well including that game, 8 league games played, only 6 points gained !! If you also take in the games where Fletcher was fully in charge e.g just one point from three League Two games, then that amounts to just 7 points from the last 11 league games the Os have played !! We now have just 26 points from 25 games, so 21 to play, if we keep up our current form from the last 11 games, e.g 7 points from 11 games, that is an average of just 0.636 points per game, then we are looking at between 13 to 14 points from the rest of the games left this season, if that did happen, then would leave a season ending total points score of around 38 to 39 points..........relegation form indeed ! Conclusion, something must be done and QUICKLY to turn around this terrible run of bad form !!

38 points would probably be enough this season but I'm not sure I'd like to test that theory.

I hope the clubs board doesn't either but going by the looks of it , they just might .

[tuffers#1]

This board is an old boys network

Playing with there old boys ya mean

Dont even think there good ladies would dare go near them with all that built up frustration

[EliotNes]

Ling and Ross are fixtures until the end of the season.
I think the best we can hope for is some reasonable recruiting in January and a mid-table finish.
Season Ticket sales will fall due to the, so far anyway, poor home performances.
FFS we haven’t won at home for nearly 3 months, that’s not gonna get punters coming back, however I don’t think our owners will sack Ling while they spend so much time away from the UK.

Good post. Well put points.

[Long slender neck]

Enoughs enough. Time for both people to go. The thread on Embleton is emphatic at 93% for Embleton to go. Who is going to run the club once both are gone then?

Ling has presided over the Davis poor choice of manager. To be fair he didnt have much time to put together an entire club He put Ross in caretaker charge and he didn’t win a game. He got lucky with Justin. He then Appoints Ross in an interim role What should he have done seeing as the manager died? and other than the four games when he had stepped down and the pressure was off he was poor. Let me quantify that.

The squad is unfit, the tactics are all wrong, the shape is all over the place, how many formations have we tried? He picks square pegs in round holes at times, he favours certain players no matter how p*ss poor they are. Then there is the underlying without proof of course that he is lings puppet, for example Justin lists Alabi for reasons we are know why, Ross takes over and more or less straight Alabi is off the list and in the team and or squad. If that’s not interference then I’m not sure what is. How on earth have you concluded that Ling is behind Alabi coming off the list? He use of subs is poor, his use of the youth is poor as it seems like he doesn’t trust them. Apart from sarge, kyprianou and Sotiriou who have all played recently. Then when we look at his record it’s 6 wins in 25 games or 24% lower than when Davis was sacked.

Then we have the fletch debacle and that has to be the most emabarssaing appointment in the clubs entire 138 year history. He doesn’t look at proven managers already in a role with the opportunity to try and recruit them to his club. He doesn’t look at managers who failed before so that more or less rules everyone out, and provides the board with a short list of 2. Pathetic. He has it would appear from the outside given his son a contract when he had not earnt one, when in reality we should have after last season be looking to ship him out.

Then we have the Q&A which was an embarrassment to the club. No it wasnt, it was open and honest. He was looking to put his feet up and relax as he wasn’t looking for a new manager, you can’t make this stuff up. I dont think that is actually what he was saying, he would just like a rest as since the events of the summer it had been hectic. Then there’s the recruit,net of players, we’ve been crying out for a central midfielder for three years since he re joined the club and yet he can’t see that our midfield gets steamrollered every game. He played at the highest level, he knows the game yet can’t see the major flaw in the team.

I have zero confidence In ling bringing in the right players, I have zero confidence in him finding us he right manager either, not that he’s looking or anything either.

I have zero confidence in Ross either to continue in his role, it is time for change.

Heads need to roll.