Prerequisites For Labour's Next Leader

[Still's Carenae]

The election last week has proved the number 1 requisite for being a successful leader is telling lies...whopping big ones..and repeating them over and over again
Thats it!

Only time will tell.

But he is putting into law the leave date and £34bn extra a year for the nhs.

[Dunners]

• RLB lacks appeal beyond core membership and is a personality vacuum. She will not lead labour to a GE victory.

• Rayner actually does have appeal, but lacks the experience and gravitas to command confidence just yet. The RLB/Rayner ticket only makes sense if the longer-term plan is for RLB to step aside for Rayner.

• Kier is a technocrat. He'd be an ideal deputy and someone you want in government, but will not inspire people. However, he will instil confidence and give any labour front bench credibility.

• Thornberry comes across as disingenuous and an opportunist. She (and Kier) also personify the "metropolitan elite" trope. I think she's as unlikely to lead labour to any victory as RLB.

• Jess - hated by many within the core membership, and will almost certainly shaft them if given the chance. Yet she has the swagger and wit to combat Boris and grab those TV moments.

• Nandy - Less popular than RLB and Raynor, but I'd rank her chances of GE success the same as RLB.

If the sole objective is to win an election, I'd go with a Jess/Kier ticket (with Raynor waiting in the wings), but there's next to no chance of the membership voting for that. It's interesting (and amusing) to listen to them all being careful not to trash Corbyn too much. I'd be inclined to disregard the leaver/remainer angle too, as Boris will have got Brexit done by the end of January (that is right, right?).

[Max B Gold]

• RLB lacks appeal beyond core membership and is a personality vacuum. She will not lead labour to a GE victory.

• Rayner actually does have appeal, but lacks the experience and gravitas to command confidence just yet. The RLB/Rayner ticket only makes sense if the longer-term plan is for RLB to step aside for Rayner.

• Kier is a technocrat. He'd be an ideal deputy and someone you want in government, but will not inspire people. However, he will instil confidence and give any labour front bench credibility.

• Thornberry comes across as disingenuous and an opportunist. She (and Kier) also personify the "metropolitan elite" trope. I think she's as unlikely to lead labour to any victory as RLB.

• Jess - hated by many within the core membership, and will almost certainly shaft them if given the chance. Yet she has the swagger and wit to combat Boris and grab those TV moments.

• Nandy - Less popular than RLB and Raynor, but I'd rank her chances of GE success the same as RLB.

If the sole objective is to win an election, I'd go with a Jess/Kier ticket (with Raynor waiting in the wings), but there's next to no chance of the membership voting for that. It's interesting (and amusing) to listen to them all being careful not to trash Corbyn too much. I'd be inclined to disregard the leaver/remainer angle too, as Boris will have got Brexit done by the end of January (that is right, right?).

Thank God the sole objective is not to win an election at any cost.

PS. Starmer was on the Labour front bench. Didn't see much of him during the election sprinkling magical credibility dust on the campaign.

Yes Brexit will be done by end of Jan at latest because thats what the albino Buffoon said. #clueless.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Starmer always looks twitchy/nervy to me.

[Max B Gold]

Starmer always looks twitchy/nervy to me.

He's worried about his Trot background being exposed.

[Sid Bishop]

I see Emily Lady Thornbury has thrown her hat in the ring.

If she wins there is more chance of hell freezing over than labour ever getting back in power. She shes as fake as they come lady whatever she calls herself in private hypocrite.

Emily....... ''Dont you know who I am''........Thornberry !!

[Sid Bishop]

• RLB lacks appeal beyond core membership and is a personality vacuum. She will not lead labour to a GE victory.

• Rayner actually does have appeal, but lacks the experience and gravitas to command confidence just yet. The RLB/Rayner ticket only makes sense if the longer-term plan is for RLB to step aside for Rayner.

• Kier is a technocrat. He'd be an ideal deputy and someone you want in government, but will not inspire people. However, he will instil confidence and give any labour front bench credibility.

• Thornberry comes across as disingenuous and an opportunist. She (and Kier) also personify the "metropolitan elite" trope. I think she's as unlikely to lead labour to any victory as RLB.

• Jess - hated by many within the core membership, and will almost certainly shaft them if given the chance. Yet she has the swagger and wit to combat Boris and grab those TV moments.

• Nandy - Less popular than RLB and Raynor, but I'd rank her chances of GE success the same as RLB.

If the sole objective is to win an election, I'd go with a Jess/Kier ticket (with Raynor waiting in the wings), but there's next to no chance of the membership voting for that. It's interesting (and amusing) to listen to them all being careful not to trash Corbyn too much. I'd be inclined to disregard the leaver/remainer angle too, as Boris will have got Brexit done by the end of January (that is right, right?).

Good summing up !!
I hear whispers that the powers to be in the Labour Party may not allow any new members a vote in the Leadership election due to fears of a rush of non Momentum types joining up and tipping the balance away for the at present very left wing policy's of the current leadership.

[Sid Bishop]

Has to be RLB or Rayner but you can see the shitrags campaigns already. Both will be Corbyn's puppets and tarred with the AS stick, RLB will be a double barrelled posho and part of the metropolitan elite because she's a solicitor and went to London once, Rayner will be a thicko slag because she left school at 16 preggers without any qualifications.

I quite like Angela Rayner although in a comic way, she reminds me of the lady comedian ''Catherine Tate''

[ComeOnYouOs]

My choice is Clive Lewis
He is slightly more distant from the failure of the current Labour front bench, he is to the left of the party, he is a military man, having become an officer & served in Afghanistan ( The plebs love a patriotic military man), he has an engaging personality, and IMO he's the man to take Labour forward

[Dunners]

• RLB lacks appeal beyond core membership and is a personality vacuum. She will not lead labour to a GE victory.

• Rayner actually does have appeal, but lacks the experience and gravitas to command confidence just yet. The RLB/Rayner ticket only makes sense if the longer-term plan is for RLB to step aside for Rayner.

• Kier is a technocrat. He'd be an ideal deputy and someone you want in government, but will not inspire people. However, he will instil confidence and give any labour front bench credibility.

• Thornberry comes across as disingenuous and an opportunist. She (and Kier) also personify the "metropolitan elite" trope. I think she's as unlikely to lead labour to any victory as RLB.

• Jess - hated by many within the core membership, and will almost certainly shaft them if given the chance. Yet she has the swagger and wit to combat Boris and grab those TV moments.

• Nandy - Less popular than RLB and Raynor, but I'd rank her chances of GE success the same as RLB.

If the sole objective is to win an election, I'd go with a Jess/Kier ticket (with Raynor waiting in the wings), but there's next to no chance of the membership voting for that. It's interesting (and amusing) to listen to them all being careful not to trash Corbyn too much. I'd be inclined to disregard the leaver/remainer angle too, as Boris will have got Brexit done by the end of January (that is right, right?).

Thank God the sole objective is not to win an election at any cost.

PS. Starmer was on the Labour front bench. Didn't see much of him during the election sprinkling magical credibility dust on the campaign.

Yes Brexit will be done by end of Jan at latest because thats what the albino Buffoon said. #clueless.

From the reports I'm hearing, Starmer's disappearance from the election campaign wasn't his choice. But so far he's managed to keep his powder dry. While he many not be many people's first choice, he's not going to be anyone's last choice either.

[Sid Bishop]

• RLB lacks appeal beyond core membership and is a personality vacuum. She will not lead labour to a GE victory.

• Rayner actually does have appeal, but lacks the experience and gravitas to command confidence just yet. The RLB/Rayner ticket only makes sense if the longer-term plan is for RLB to step aside for Rayner.

• Kier is a technocrat. He'd be an ideal deputy and someone you want in government, but will not inspire people. However, he will instil confidence and give any labour front bench credibility.

• Thornberry comes across as disingenuous and an opportunist. She (and Kier) also personify the "metropolitan elite" trope. I think she's as unlikely to lead labour to any victory as RLB.

• Jess - hated by many within the core membership, and will almost certainly shaft them if given the chance. Yet she has the swagger and wit to combat Boris and grab those TV moments.

• Nandy - Less popular than RLB and Raynor, but I'd rank her chances of GE success the same as RLB.

If the sole objective is to win an election, I'd go with a Jess/Kier ticket (with Raynor waiting in the wings), but there's next to no chance of the membership voting for that. It's interesting (and amusing) to listen to them all being careful not to trash Corbyn too much. I'd be inclined to disregard the leaver/remainer angle too, as Boris will have got Brexit done by the end of January (that is right, right?).

Thank God the sole objective is not to win an election at any cost.

PS. Starmer was on the Labour front bench. Didn't see much of him during the election sprinkling magical credibility dust on the campaign.

Yes Brexit will be done by end of Jan at latest because thats what the albino Buffoon said. #clueless.

From the reports I'm hearing, Starmer's disappearance from the election campaign wasn't his choice. But so far he's managed to keep his powder dry. While he many not be many people's first choice, he's not going to be anyone's last choice either.

Starmer has little to no charisma, from the same school of thought as Thornberry and comes across to me as a rather upper-class type of a character with a ''Plummy'' sort of accent who only listens to anyone if they agree with him. Another who would be a bad choice is Evette Cooper, a very self opinionated woman who like Thornberry, talks over everyone else when on question time and other similar programs, so rude when people do that ! As a non Labour voter, I think Lisa Nandy and Hillary Benn always come across as calm, polite and sensible MP's who would relate far better to the average Labour voters across the UK.

[Dunners]

Starmer has little to no charisma, from the same school of thought as Thornberry and comes across to me as a rather upper-class type of a character with a ''Plummy'' sort of accent who only listens to anyone if they agree with him.... I think Lisa Nandy and Hillary Benn always come across as calm, polite and sensible MP's who would relate far better to the average Labour voters across the UK.

Starmer has better working class credentials than Jess Phillips. But yeah, he lacks any dynamism which appear to be required from a party leader in the modern age,

It will be interesting to see who else throws their hat in the ring.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I hear whispers that the powers to be in the Labour Party may not allow any new members a vote in the Leadership election due to fears of a rush of non Momentum types joining up and tipping the balance away for the at present very left wing policy's of the current leadership.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Starmer has little to no charisma, from the same school of thought as Thornberry and comes across to me as a rather upper-class type of a character with a ''Plummy'' sort of accent who only listens to anyone if they agree with him. Another who would be a bad choice is Evette Cooper, a very self opinionated woman who like Thornberry, talks over everyone else when on question time and other similar programs, so rude when people do that ! As a non Labour voter, I think Lisa Nandy and Hillary Benn always come across as calm, polite and sensible MP's who would relate far better to the average Labour voters across the UK.

Good point, there's no way Joe Northener would vote for a self-opinionated, upper class type of character with a plummy sort of accent, who talks over everyone else and only listens to anyone if they agree with him.

[Long slender neck]

Kier looks statesman like.

[Harlow]

Look back to 1997 when Blair won. Tories put in rising star William Hague. Great guy but absolutely no chance of winning the next election. This is labour now. No chance of winning in 2024 (unless, as is probable, we are f-cked by ?Brexit-in that case do they want to win?). Chose an old experienced leader to hold things together, ditch the left, hit Tory weaknesses. Replace that person in 2027ish to lead the party in to an election they could win.7

[Harlow]

I also wonder whether SNP have any ambitions in England. I know they are Scottish but aren't they also socialist. Could well become a UK party with a bit of fudging-Are well north northerners closer to Scots than Westminster

[Max B Gold]

Look back to 1997 when Blair won. Tories put in rising star William Hague. Great guy but absolutely no chance of winning the next election. This is labour now. No chance of winning in 2024 (unless, as is probable, we are f-cked by ?Brexit-in that case do they want to win?). Chose an old experienced leader to hold things together, ditch the left, hit Tory weaknesses. Replace that person in 2027ish to lead the party in to an election they could win.7

I stopped reading when you said Hague was a great guy. He wasn't and still isn't.

[Harlow]

William Hague being great or otherwise wasn't really my post was about. More about should Labour appoint a rising star or an old hand

[Max B Gold]

William Hague being great or otherwise wasn't really my post was about. More about should Labour appoint a rising star or an old hand

I know. It's a dilemma isn't it.

[Highwood Man]

Can't see Emily Thornbury getting the gig. Comes from Metropolitan London "elite", strongly pro-Remain, can't see her having many supporters in the North.

[Millennial Snowflake]

If RLB becomes leader we might as well concede power to the Tories for the next 20 years. Thornberry would also be a disaster - she's equally as hated among swing/Tory voters as Corbyn, and comes across as intensely dislikable.

Broadly agree with Dunnem, wouldn't actually mind Rayner or Nandy but don't think either are ready yet. Would love Jess Phillips to be leader and she's the only one from that lot who could take down the PM in Parliament, but not a cat in hell's chance of it happening as the loons would have you believe she's "basically a Tory". Starmer would therefore be the sensible choice who can achieve a respectable result at the next GE, in the hope that a truly credible candidate emerges in that time.

[Sid Bishop]

Starmer has little to no charisma, from the same school of thought as Thornberry and comes across to me as a rather upper-class type of a character with a ''Plummy'' sort of accent who only listens to anyone if they agree with him. Another who would be a bad choice is Evette Cooper, a very self opinionated woman who like Thornberry, talks over everyone else when on question time and other similar programs, so rude when people do that ! As a non Labour voter, I think Lisa Nandy and Hillary Benn always come across as calm, polite and sensible MP's who would relate far better to the average Labour voters across the UK.

Good point, there's no way Joe Northener would vote for a self-opinionated, upper class type of character with a plummy sort of accent, who talks over everyone else and only listens to anyone if they agree with him.

Boris has charisma and has charm, , has NOT got a plummy accent, makes people laugh with his clown like antics, has got all the blarney and can relate to working class people. Starmer has zero charisma, does NOT make people laugh, is sour-faced and is unable to relate to working class people as Boris can. No comparison at all between the two men and as you yourself wrote.......'' Starmer always looks twitchy/nervy to me'' something you cannot say of Boris !

[Sid Bishop]

I hear whispers that the powers to be in the Labour Party may not allow any new members a vote in the Leadership election due to fears of a rush of non Momentum types joining up and tipping the balance away for the at present very left wing policy's of the current leadership.

We will see whos laughing if that does happen as widely predicted to do so.

[Sid Bishop]

My choice is Clive Lewis
He is slightly more distant from the failure of the current Labour front bench, he is to the left of the party, he is a military man, having become an officer & served in Afghanistan ( The plebs love a patriotic military man), he has an engaging personality, and IMO he's the man to take Labour forward

An outsider for the leadership.