The Election Results Thread (OFFicial)

[point nine one eight]

I agree about Osbourne and Balls really good insightful comment. ITV have by far the best team.

If the polls are correct then it's probably a crossroads for labour, momentum will want to keep a hard left stance but many Labour Party members and MPs will want to move further toward the centre given that it could be another backward election.

Could be a split in the party that leads to two separate parties?

Labour will follow their pay masters, The Unions call the tunes, no good being in opposition, they will start the drive to oust Momentum

[o-no]

I think you find The Membership will have the last say.

The membership of the Labour party is for the moment, dominated by those who are in the Momentum group, so do not expect anything much than more of much the same.

I'm not sure the membership is dominated by Momentum, but they certainly hold the levers of power - and sadly they seem quite happy to play 6th form left-wing politics without the inconveniences of ever having to be in charge. They are no doubt working out who will be Corbyn mk2 even as we speak.

Until the membership can purge the party of this group and identify someone (and I suspect it will be someone relatively unknown) to appeal to voters, Labour's only hope is that Brexit turns out to be such a epic car crash that even the Tories can't spin it as a success in 5 years time.

[Millennial Snowflake]

but an overwhelming feeling of despair at watching traditional labour voters plumping for an elitist liar whose message of "Get Brexit Done" clearly cut through above everything else.

That's the thing though, simplicity wins. More so in times when people are fed up.

I actually read each party's manifesto and try to imagine I'm an undecided voter. Looking at it through that lens, Labour's was f*cking terrible - way too long and read like it had been written by an overly excited English language student. I mean, no-one's going to bloody read all that (apart from sad fuckers like me). The Tories' was way better - slick and to the point. I may not agree with a lot of things in it, but as a voter I get a simple and clear message. "Get Brexit Done" vs "Negotiate a deal in 3 months and then put it back to the people against Remain" is like night and day.

Politics - Brexit especially - is a highly complicated subject, but it takes a great deal of skill to dress it up and present it to voters in an understandable and convincing form. Underestimate it at your peril. Boris/Cummings managed that perfectly, whereas Corbyn was (and always has been) totally devoid of any intellectual capability to do so. His supporters like to think the voting public are thick but they should look to their leader if they want to know who the real thicko is.

You've spent three paragraphs saying the electorate are thick, then moan at Corbyn supporters for agreeing with you?

What? Where did I say the electorate are thick? They may be, but that just means they were thick between 1997 and 2010, and will continue to be. You can't blame them for not voting the way you wanted every time you lose but if you win claim they finally saw the light. Corbyn's supporters seem more interested in this though and sending each other self-congratulatory messages of "oh well, we did all we good, ain't this a bitch"

[point nine one eight]

So did the country dis. He is a man that can't be trusted. However, the bigger issue is Brexit people want out, votes have been lent to the tories.

The people have spoken, they want their democratic vote followed through on. Labour and the Libs underestimated what the people wanted or just refused to listen to them.

Yet you trust pathological liars like Johnson and Gove?

Baffling.

Yep all day long, and the majority of the public, if you get a choice between Johnson and Gove over Corbyn and Abbott, no contest

[point nine one eight]

Blyth Valley to tories. That'll set the tone for a labour decimation

It’s the end of the world as we know it.

That's a shocker. People have dumped Labour to get their Brexit.
A Tory MP for Blyth FFS!!!

Yeah cool man, every now and then something comes along that puts mahusive smile on my face

[point nine one eight]

It’s the end of the world as we know it.

That's a shocker. People have dumped Labour to get their Brexit.
A Tory MP for Blyth FFS!!!

Can only hope that Brexit delivers the wonders it promises to all these voters in working class northern towns.

And what about us southern soffties The vote delivered us away from that toxic w*inker again

[Sid Bishop]

I think you find The Membership will have the last say.

The membership of the Labour party is for the moment, dominated by those who are in the Momentum group, so do not expect anything much than more of much the same.

I'm not sure the membership is dominated by Momentum, but they certainly hold the levers of power - and sadly they seem quite happy to play 6th form left-wing politics without the inconveniences of ever having to be in charge. They are no doubt working out who will be Corbyn mk2 even as we speak.

Until the membership can purge the party of this group and identify someone (and I suspect it will be someone relatively unknown) to appeal to voters, Labour's only hope is that Brexit turns out to be such a epic car crash that even the Tories can't spin it as a success in 5 years time.

Surely everyone, regardless of what party they voted for or belong to, must hope all goes well with Brexit ? Why would anyone be hoping that Brexit turns out badly which would entail all the unemployment and problems that would entail. Good patriotic MPs should put the good of the Country before anything else and put the people and country before their own personal allegiances to whatever political party they favour.

[point nine one eight]

If he’d been able to get behind Leave, it would all be so different.

Time to quit the schtick. Corbyn, McDonnell and the rest of ‘the movement’ as he described it need to be confined to the Labour dustbin. This Marxist polemic is dead and buried. Only Blairite Labour can make it electable again.

These fools have allowed such dangerous lying incompetents to romp home.

THAT is Corbyn’s legacy.

Surprised me again there Dis, seems like a major re think going on. The Unions wont like this, all that money wasted, they will start the move to oust momentum

[ComeOnYouOs]

Labour will have a new leader probably in the spring, but it would have made no difference who led the party in this election. It was all about Brexit, and there isnt a leaver anywhere in the upper echelons of the Labour Party
At this time, i havent a clue who will emerge, but it might need to be someone who is a little distanced from the current front bench
In the meantime we will have to suffer a disastrous Brexit, and disastrous Johnson Tory policies.
The Bankers, Big Corporations, Billionaires etc will all be very happy, the working class who voted Tory will soon realise why their parents and grand parents never voted Tory

[point nine one eight]

Honestly, I can't think of a Labour election defeat that's depressed me as much as this one. Not because of any great desire to see Corbyn as PM (the post-mortem for labour is going to be a bloodbath let alone any decision on a future direction), but an overwhelming feeling of despair at watching traditional labour voters plumping for an elitist liar whose message of "Get Brexit Done" clearly cut through above everything else. Even Caroline Flint who's voted for every withdrawal deal has been dumped in Don Valley - a sign that Labour's policy on Brexit failed massively in leave voting communities. Add to that, the toxicity surrounding brand Corbyn (for reasons various which would take too long to go into here), a thumping defeat has proved inevitable.

Make no mistake, Boris et al are no friends of the working class and even less friends of the BAME / LGBT communities. Right-wing racists and homophobic nutters everywhere will feel emboldened by this result. The poor will remain poor if not poorer and yet they voted for it. Brexit will now happen in whatever form Boris wants it too. Time will tell if the predictions of damage to the economy are correct - as a remainer who's conceded defeat, I can only hope that it's the success liars like Gove and Johnson say it will be (hint - it's not likely).

As a believer in a socialism and a fairer society, there's no words - just sadness.

Tuff sh*t pal, you still don't get it do ya, this is not and never will be a socialist country, no body wins an election by moving from the left to the hard left, Remember we are a conservative country with a small c, (don't be tempted) just think about what I said

[Chicken Dhansak]

I'm really surprised how the London vote held up. With all the carnage going on around the country, the red and blue areas
of London hardly changed, just one or two changing sides. What would be the reason for this, because London is not immune
from the rest of the country?

[Millennial Snowflake]

Labour will have a new leader probably in the spring, but it would have made no difference who led the party in this election. It was all about Brexit, and there isnt a leaver anywhere in the upper echelons of the Labour Party
At this time, i havent a clue who will emerge, but it might need to be someone who is a little distanced from the current front bench
In the meantime we will have to suffer a disastrous Brexit, and disastrous Johnson Tory policies.
The Bankers, Big Corporations, Billionaires etc will all be very happy, the working class who voted Tory will soon realise why their parents and grand parents never voted Tory

Apart from the current leader, you mean?

[ComeOnYouOs]

Labour will have a new leader probably in the spring, but it would have made no difference who led the party in this election. It was all about Brexit, and there isnt a leaver anywhere in the upper echelons of the Labour Party
At this time, i havent a clue who will emerge, but it might need to be someone who is a little distanced from the current front bench
In the meantime we will have to suffer a disastrous Brexit, and disastrous Johnson Tory policies.
The Bankers, Big Corporations, Billionaires etc will all be very happy, the working class who voted Tory will soon realise why their parents and grand parents never voted Tory

Apart from the current leader, you mean?

No, i dont mean that

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Not losing as badly as predicted in 2017 was a curse in disguise perhaps.

No party has come back from a defeat of this magnitude to win the next election. Add to that that there will almost certainly be changes to constituency boundaries, that could be another ten years whereby Labour are sat in opposition being little more than a glorified pressure group. Their only hope may be that, once the Tories "Get Brexit Done" the Northern voters may switch back.

Interesting read this thread

[Dunners]

Not losing as badly as predicted in 2017 was a curse in disguise perhaps.

No party has come back from a defeat of this magnitude to win the next election. Add to that that there will almost certainly be changes to constituency boundaries, that could be another ten years whereby Labour are sat in opposition being little more than a glorified pressure group. Their only hope may be that, once the Tories "Get Brexit Done" the Northern voters may switch back.

Interesting read this thread

Indeed. It really does illustrate just what a remarkable turnaround Starmer has done for Labour since 2019.

[Dunners]

Words can't summarise how angry I am at Corbyn for acting as Johnson's enabler. It took the worst campaign of living memory to only deny the Tories a majority with May. And yet the Labour party stuck with him.

I will never forgive Corbyn for lacking the humility to realise he could never win, even against the least popular new PM for decades. Whatever remains of the post war state is about to be dismantled. But at least Labour stayed pure right? At least the electorate weren't subjected to a plausible centre left offer.

I was always told that Corbyn was necessary as there no difference between a post Blair Labour and the Tories. Well enjoy a hard Brexit you numpties. The NHS, whatever remains of the welfare state, environmental standards, a decent education for kids, a semblance of sanity in housing, staying in the single market - they're all gone. You wanted your backbench, intellectually limited purist, and we got smashed. And worst of all, you'll just blame the electorate, and won't recognise that Corbyn was a totally implausible incompetent that could never win.

Mista called it right in 2019.

[Hoover Attack]

That's a shocker. People have dumped Labour to get their Brexit.
A Tory MP for Blyth FFS!!!

Can only hope that Brexit delivers the wonders it promises to all these voters in working class northern towns.

Time will tell, but I can only think that the turkeys have voted for christmas and in 5 years time there'll be a big swing back.

They didn’t come back. They just went to Reform.

[Hoover Attack]

Words can't summarise how angry I am at Corbyn for acting as Johnson's enabler. It took the worst campaign of living memory to only deny the Tories a majority with May. And yet the Labour party stuck with him.

I will never forgive Corbyn for lacking the humility to realise he could never win, even against the least popular new PM for decades. Whatever remains of the post war state is about to be dismantled. But at least Labour stayed pure right? At least the electorate weren't subjected to a plausible centre left offer.

I was always told that Corbyn was necessary as there no difference between a post Blair Labour and the Tories. Well enjoy a hard Brexit you numpties. The NHS, whatever remains of the welfare state, environmental standards, a decent education for kids, a semblance of sanity in housing, staying in the single market - they're all gone. You wanted your backbench, intellectually limited purist, and we got smashed. And worst of all, you'll just blame the electorate, and won't recognise that Corbyn was a totally implausible incompetent that could never win.

Mista called it right in 2019.

Corbyn = Incompetent
Sirkieth = 4d chess grand master

Yet still pulls in less votes. Hmmm.

[Dunners]

Words can't summarise how angry I am at Corbyn for acting as Johnson's enabler. It took the worst campaign of living memory to only deny the Tories a majority with May. And yet the Labour party stuck with him.

I will never forgive Corbyn for lacking the humility to realise he could never win, even against the least popular new PM for decades. Whatever remains of the post war state is about to be dismantled. But at least Labour stayed pure right? At least the electorate weren't subjected to a plausible centre left offer.

I was always told that Corbyn was necessary as there no difference between a post Blair Labour and the Tories. Well enjoy a hard Brexit you numpties. The NHS, whatever remains of the welfare state, environmental standards, a decent education for kids, a semblance of sanity in housing, staying in the single market - they're all gone. You wanted your backbench, intellectually limited purist, and we got smashed. And worst of all, you'll just blame the electorate, and won't recognise that Corbyn was a totally implausible incompetent that could never win.

Mista called it right in 2019.

Corbyn = Incompetent
Sirkieth = 4d chess grand master

Yet still pulls in less votes. Hmmm.

Yes. That's the electoral system. Sirkeith understood that. Corbyn didn't. Sorry. Cope with it.

However, everything that Mista predicted in that final paragraph has come to pass. And still we see, time and again, the blaming of the thicko electorate and the utter failure to recognise that Corbyn was the problem. Even if he was played by Sirkeith when it came to Labour's Brexit stance, Corbyn was the leader so was ultimately culpable.