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Any leader who comes up with a manifesto such as this will suffer the same fate at the hands of the establishment.
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Dunners wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:42 pm
RedO wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:29 am

Ha ha, he's officially bottled it. :lol:
Interesting. That tweet is straight out of the Trump rule book. Cummings clearly still believes that this story will not affect the Tory vote in key swing marginals. He may be right.
He was right.
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As I repeatedly said. BJ chose his election strategy and that did not include voluntarily facing a car crash interview on TV with Neil.

Looks like BJ made the right choice as he and the Tories have won a majority whilst Labour have crashed to its worst result since I believe 1935. Tory choices have been proven to be more successful overall in this campaign than the Labour ones
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Mate, he could literally hide in a fridge and people don’t mind.
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RedO wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:32 am Mate, he could literally hide in a fridge and people don’t mind.
Again, it proved to be a successful call
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spen666 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:10 am...Labour have crashed to its worst result since I believe 1935.
In terms of seats, yes. No denying 203 is a disastrous return for the party. But in terms of votes overall I believe they did better than in 2005 in 2005, and recorded a bigger share of votes than 2010 and 2015. But that’s straw clutching under the FPTP system, really.
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It is indeed, slacker. The concentration of votes in fewer seats also suggests that they lacked wider appeal, which is what they will require if they are ever to govern.
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Yeah, the Labour message got through to the metropolitan areas and Uni cities, but tanked in a lot of the provincial towns. “Get brexit done” was clearly an issue in some of these, but not the only 1, I reckon.
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Dunners wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:01 pm It is indeed, slacker. The concentration of votes in fewer seats also suggests that they lacked wider appeal, which is what they will require if they are ever to govern.
It's Brexit.

If they'd said they'd respect the referendum result, they would have lost less support to the lib dems than they actually did to the tories with their principled approach.
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slacker wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:06 pm Yeah, the Labour message got through to the metropolitan areas and Uni cities, but tanked in a lot of the provincial towns. “Get brexit done” was clearly an issue in some of these, but not the only 1, I reckon.
Was reading Paul Mason earlier.

Interesting stuff about the progressive educated generation having different values from the old pension drawing conservative minded Labour types. They will soon be dead.

Onward with the project I say. The new working class will be more radical than the old one who forever failed us.
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Max B Gold wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:20 pm
slacker wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:06 pm Yeah, the Labour message got through to the metropolitan areas and Uni cities, but tanked in a lot of the provincial towns. “Get brexit done” was clearly an issue in some of these, but not the only 1, I reckon.
Was reading Paul Mason earlier.

Interesting stuff about the progressive educated generation having different values from the old pension drawing conservative minded Labour types. They will soon be dead.

Onward with the project I say. The new working class will be more radical than the old one who forever failed us.
Wishing people dead in order to be able to continue with your project, yes that figures. Stalin, Hitler, Mao Zedong and many more Dictators thought much the same.......... although of course they put their thoughts and wishes into action.
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Where has he wished anyone dead?
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Sid Bishop wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:48 pm
Max B Gold wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:20 pm
slacker wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:06 pm Yeah, the Labour message got through to the metropolitan areas and Uni cities, but tanked in a lot of the provincial towns. “Get brexit done” was clearly an issue in some of these, but not the only 1, I reckon.
Was reading Paul Mason earlier.

Interesting stuff about the progressive educated generation having different values from the old pension drawing conservative minded Labour types. They will soon be dead.

Onward with the project I say. The new working class will be more radical than the old one who forever failed us.
Wishing people dead in order to be able to continue with your project, yes that figures. Stalin, Hitler, Mao Zedong and many more Dictators thought much the same.......... although of course they put their thoughts and wishes into action.
I'm not wishing anyone dead. Merely observing that time will take it's toll.

Why you need to compare me to an assortment of mass murders defies comprehension. But then that's clearly not your strong point.
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Re: Andrew Neil Calls out Johnson

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Tell you what, I can’t wait to watch this interview.
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Dunners wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:07 am Definitely an error by Cummings. This has now become a 'story'.
Yes Boris Johnson's chief adviser ''Dominic Cummings'' made SO many errors !!
Jeremy Corbyn must be SO pleased that Dominic was not his chief advisor, I mean imagine the panic he would have felt if he had actually won the election !! Soon old ''Jezza'' can go back to doing what he likes doing best, being a left wing back bencher with little to no responsibility on his shoulders, free to once again go on his little pet projects as he did before being catapulted into the job as leader, a case of ''Be VERY careful of what you wish for''
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Re: Andrew Neil Calls out Johnson

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Heh. I've called myself out on that one already Sid. FWIW, I think Cummings did make one or two errors, and got lucky a few times, but overall his approach worked. Credit where it's due.

It will be interesting to see what role he gets next. He's made it clear he wants to reallign the Conservative Party and smash Whitehall up.
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Of course labour wants to extend the vote to 16 year olds who have been indoctrinated through our flawed educational system by lefty tutors. That and the overwhelming support of an ever increasing immigrant influx will eventually lead to a socialist victory and their desire to make everyone equal , with f*** all.
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Redcard wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:58 am Of course labour wants to extend the vote to 16 year olds who have been indoctrinated through our flawed educational system by lefty tutors. That and the overwhelming support of an ever increasing immigrant influx will eventually lead to a socialist victory and their desire to make everyone equal , with f*** all.
Then the next good idea would be to become a one party state, I mean what is the point of voting for anyone else other than the ''Dear Leader'' !
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