A Jewish perspective on Corbyn & anti Semetism

[Red_Army]

Tuffers please understand that there is a difference between an end and the means used to get to that end.

Believing that Israel has a right to exist does not mean that you agree with methods used to achieve that, or the actions taken since it was achieved.

I am a Zionist and for that reason I want Israel to be a better country.

[tuffers#1]

Tuffers please understand that there is a difference between an end and the means used to get to that end.

Believing that Israel has a right to exist does not mean that you agree with methods used to achieve that, or the actions taken since it was achieved.

I am a Zionist and for that reason I want Israel to be a better country.

Does believing a country has a right to exist , mean that you attempt to cause genocide on the original inhabitants of the place where the new country now stands ?

Especially given that the new country was given a safe haven because someone tried to commit genocide on the inhabitants of the New nation , on the same land the old nation once stood.

[Red_Army]

Tuffers please understand that there is a difference between an end and the means used to get to that end.

Believing that Israel has a right to exist does not mean that you agree with methods used to achieve that, or the actions taken since it was achieved.

I am a Zionist and for that reason I want Israel to be a better country.

Does believing a country has a right to exist , mean that you attempt to cause genocide on the original inhabitants of the place where the new country now stands ?

Especially given that the new country was given a safe haven because someone tried to commit genocide on the inhabitants of the New nation , on the same land the old nation once stood.

Oh my word you really just do not understand what I am saying do you.

Being a Zionist doesn't mean you have to support their every action or even any of them.

[tuffers#1]

Tuffers please understand that there is a difference between an end and the means used to get to that end.

Believing that Israel has a right to exist does not mean that you agree with methods used to achieve that, or the actions taken since it was achieved.

I am a Zionist and for that reason I want Israel to be a better country.

Does believing a country has a right to exist , mean that you attempt to cause genocide on the original inhabitants of the place where the new country now stands ?

Especially given that the new country was given a safe haven because someone tried to commit genocide on the inhabitants of the New nation , on the same land the old nation once stood.

Oh my word you really just do not understand what I am saying do you.

Being a Zionist doesn't mean you have to support their every action or even any of them.

I understand fully what you are saying.

I dont think you have got to where i am at.

I dont particularly have a problem with Israel other than this . They are the only country in the world that has a written constitution that stops others from criticising them . If you do you are open to be called an anti-semite.

Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much .

Judaism as a religon does not hide anything.

There is a major difference between the 2 .

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Update.

Let me correct that statement not a constitution.
It was written either as part of the laws of
Or in the declaration.

Let me find the piece & i will come back to correct myself fully.

[Chicken Dhansak]

That’s well ott, COYOs. And historically wrong.

It is not historically wrong, not is it ott.
This is factual.
Do you think the Palestinians just walked out of their land,so Israel could exist?.

Ok, Bigot, answer me this, if you think this is just about Israel's expulsion of the Palestinians, it isn't they were not expelled,
they left because they did not want to live in the Jewish State. On top of that, at the same time, Jordan got rid of all their Palestinians, after the invasion of Kuwait was defeated in the first Gulf war, the Kuwaitis exiled all their Palestinians to the
West Bank.

[Red_Army]

Does believing a country has a right to exist , mean that you attempt to cause genocide on the original inhabitants of the place where the new country now stands ?

Especially given that the new country was given a safe haven because someone tried to commit genocide on the inhabitants of the New nation , on the same land the old nation once stood.

Oh my word you really just do not understand what I am saying do you.

Being a Zionist doesn't mean you have to support their every action or even any of them.

I understand fully what you are saying.

I dont think you have got to where i am at.

I dont particularly have a problem with Israel other than this . They are the only country in the world that has a written constitution that stops others from criticising them . If you do you are open to be called an anti-semite.

Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much .

Judaism as a religon does not hide anything.

There is a major difference between the 2 .

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Update.

Let me correct that statement not a constitution.
It was written either as part of the laws of
Or in the declaration.

Let me find the piece & i will come back to correct myself fully.

"Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much ."

I mean that's a pretty shameful and disgusting thing to post isn't it.

[tuffers#1]

Being a Zionist doesn't mean you have to support their every action or even any of them.

I understand fully what you are saying.

I dont think you have got to where i am at.
Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much

"Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much ."

I mean that's a pretty shameful and disgusting thing to post isn't it

Israel's status as a representative democracy has also been questioned because Israeli residents of the occupied territories are allowed to vote in Israel's elections while Palestinian residents are not. Another source of criticism is the friction generated by the conversion issue between Israel's Orthodox rabbinate and non-Orthodox segments of the Jewish diaspora. At one end of the spectrum are attempts to delegitimize Israel's right to exist. This has led to an ongoing debate regarding at what point criticism of Israel crosses the line to antisemitism. One of the effects of international criticism has been the impact on social psychology of the Israeli Jewish public - according to a survey more than half of Israelis believe "the whole world is against us", and three quarters of Israelis believe "that no matter what Israel does or how far it goes towards resolving the conflict with the Palestinians, the world will continue to criticize Israel".

Criticisms of Israeli policies come from several groups: primarily from activists, within Israel and worldwide, the United Nations and other non-governmental organizations including European churches, and mass media. Media bias is often claimed by both sides of the debate. Since 2003, the UN has issued 232 resolutions with respect to Israel, 40% of all resolutions issued by the UN over the period and more than six times that of the second placed country, Sudan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici ... prov=sfla1
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Is it ?
It happens within Israel by Jews .

Read the wiki article again & you see why i say whay i said, specifically these 2 quotes from wiki

" This has led to an ongoing debate regarding at what point criticism of Israel crosses the line to antisemitism".

" Criticisms of Israeli policies come from several groups: primarily from activists, within Israel and worldwide, the United Nations and other non-governmental organizations including European churches, and mass media. Media bias is often claimed by both sides of the debate. Since 2003, the UN has issued 232 resolutions with respect to Israel, 40% of all resolutions issued by the UN over the period and more than six times that of the second placed country, Sudan".

[Red_Army]

I understand fully what you are saying.

I dont think you have got to where i am at.

I dont particularly have a problem with Israel other than this . They are the only country in the world that has a written constitution that stops others from criticising them . If you do you are open to be called an anti-semite.

Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much .

Judaism as a religon does not hide anything.

There is a major difference between the 2 .

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Update.

Let me correct that statement not a constitution.
It was written either as part of the laws of
Or in the declaration.

Let me find the piece & i will come back to correct myself fully.

"Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much ."

I mean that's a pretty shameful and disgusting thing to post isn't it.

Israel's status as a representative democracy has also been questioned because Israeli residents of the occupied territories are allowed to vote in Israel's elections while Palestinian residents are not. Another source of criticism is the friction generated by the conversion issue between Israel's Orthodox rabbinate and non-Orthodox segments of the Jewish diaspora. At one end of the spectrum are attempts to delegitimize Israel's right to exist. This has led to an ongoing debate regarding at what point criticism of Israel crosses the line to antisemitism. One of the effects of international criticism has been the impact on social psychology of the Israeli Jewish public - according to a survey more than half of Israelis believe "the whole world is against us", and three quarters of Israelis believe "that no matter what Israel does or how far it goes towards resolving the conflict with the Palestinians, the world will continue to criticize Israel".

Criticisms of Israeli policies come from several groups: primarily from activists, within Israel and worldwide, the United Nations and other non-governmental organizations including European churches, and mass media. Media bias is often claimed by both sides of the debate. Since 2003, the UN has issued 232 resolutions with respect to Israel, 40% of all resolutions issued by the UN over the period and more than six times that of the second placed country, Sudan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici ... prov=sfla1
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Is it ?
It happens within Israel by Jews .

What has any of that got to do with your nasty claim that Israel uses antisemitism?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

As long as you’re happy for Palestinians to stay/return to Palestine and want the persecution of them to stop, I don’t see the issue.

All this arguing about sky fairies is bloody bonkers tho, innit.

[Stowaway]

Oh my word you really just do not understand what I am saying do you.

Being a Zionist doesn't mean you have to support their every action or even any of them.

I understand fully what you are saying.

I dont think you have got to where i am at.

I dont particularly have a problem with Israel other than this . They are the only country in the world that has a written constitution that stops others from criticising them . If you do you are open to be called an anti-semite.

Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much .

Judaism as a religon does not hide anything.

There is a major difference between the 2 .

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Update.

Let me correct that statement not a constitution.
It was written either as part of the laws of
Or in the declaration.

Let me find the piece & i will come back to correct myself fully.

"Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much ."

I mean that's a pretty shameful and disgusting thing to post isn't it.

Why?

[tuffers#1]

"Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much ."

I mean that's a pretty shameful and disgusting thing to post isn't it.

Israel's status as a representative democracy has also been questioned because Israeli residents of the occupied territories are allowed to vote in Israel's elections while Palestinian residents are not. Another source of criticism is the friction generated by the conversion issue between Israel's Orthodox rabbinate and non-Orthodox segments of the Jewish diaspora. At one end of the spectrum are attempts to delegitimize Israel's right to exist. This has led to an ongoing debate regarding at what point criticism of Israel crosses the line to antisemitism. One of the effects of international criticism has been the impact on social psychology of the Israeli Jewish public - according to a survey more than half of Israelis believe "the whole world is against us", and three quarters of Israelis believe "that no matter what Israel does or how far it goes towards resolving the conflict with the Palestinians, the world will continue to criticize Israel".

Criticisms of Israeli policies come from several groups: primarily from activists, within Israel and worldwide, the United Nations and other non-governmental organizations including European churches, and mass media. Media bias is often claimed by both sides of the debate. Since 2003, the UN has issued 232 resolutions with respect to Israel, 40% of all resolutions issued by the UN over the period and more than six times that of the second placed country, Sudan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici ... prov=sfla1
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Is it ?
It happens within Israel by Jews .

What has any of that got to do with your nasty claim that Israel uses antisemitism?

I have not said Israel uses antisemetism .
Please show me EXACTLY where i said that ?

[Redcard]

The Palestinians claim that 600,00 fled in 1948, but what happened was that they were asked to leave so that the attacking Arab armies who did not accept the generous division of Palestine they were given could have a free passage and kill the Jews.
They lost and thus came about the initial refugees.
What doesn’t get acknowledged is that a million Jews who had lived in Arab countries for centuries were attacked killed, had their property stolen and fled. The difference being that the Palestinian refugees were kept in camps, denied citizenship while Israel welcomed their brethren.
As for tuffers assertion that today’s invented Palestinians were the original inhabitants is nonsense , Jews have lived there for close to 4000 years and in the days when Britain ruled Palestine more Arabs emigrated to Palestine than Jews.
The problem with the Arabs is that they do not recognize Israel’s right to exist and as a result of each attempt to destroy Israel they lose a bit more. Tough.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

The Palestinians claim that 600,00 fled in 1948, but what happened was that they were asked to leave so that the attacking Arab armies who did not accept the generous division of Palestine they were given could have a free passage and kill the Jews.
They lost and thus came about the initial refugees.
What doesn’t get acknowledged is that a million Jews who had lived in Arab countries for centuries were attacked killed, had their property stolen and fled. The difference being that the Palestinian refugees were kept in camps, denied citizenship while Israel welcomed their brethren.
As for tuffers assertion that today’s invented Palestinians were the original inhabitants is nonsense , Jews have lived there for close to 4000 years and in the days when Britain ruled Palestine more Arabs emigrated to Palestine than Jews.
The problem with the Arabs is that they do not recognize Israel’s right to exist and as a result of each attempt to destroy Israel they lose a bit more. Tough.

Tha last paragraph says it all.

[Red_Army]

The Palestinians claim that 600,00 fled in 1948, but what happened was that they were asked to leave so that the attacking Arab armies who did not accept the generous division of Palestine they were given could have a free passage and kill the Jews.
They lost and thus came about the initial refugees.
What doesn’t get acknowledged is that a million Jews who had lived in Arab countries for centuries were attacked killed, had their property stolen and fled. The difference being that the Palestinian refugees were kept in camps, denied citizenship while Israel welcomed their brethren.
As for tuffers assertion that today’s invented Palestinians were the original inhabitants is nonsense , Jews have lived there for close to 4000 years and in the days when Britain ruled Palestine more Arabs emigrated to Palestine than Jews.
The problem with the Arabs is that they do not recognize Israel’s right to exist and as a result of each attempt to destroy Israel they lose a bit more. Tough.

Yeah mate that's a pretty disgusting thing to sign off on.

[Red_Army]

Israel's status as a representative democracy has also been questioned because Israeli residents of the occupied territories are allowed to vote in Israel's elections while Palestinian residents are not. Another source of criticism is the friction generated by the conversion issue between Israel's Orthodox rabbinate and non-Orthodox segments of the Jewish diaspora. At one end of the spectrum are attempts to delegitimize Israel's right to exist. This has led to an ongoing debate regarding at what point criticism of Israel crosses the line to antisemitism. One of the effects of international criticism has been the impact on social psychology of the Israeli Jewish public - according to a survey more than half of Israelis believe "the whole world is against us", and three quarters of Israelis believe "that no matter what Israel does or how far it goes towards resolving the conflict with the Palestinians, the world will continue to criticize Israel".

Criticisms of Israeli policies come from several groups: primarily from activists, within Israel and worldwide, the United Nations and other non-governmental organizations including European churches, and mass media. Media bias is often claimed by both sides of the debate. Since 2003, the UN has issued 232 resolutions with respect to Israel, 40% of all resolutions issued by the UN over the period and more than six times that of the second placed country, Sudan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici ... prov=sfla1
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Is it ?
It happens within Israel by Jews .

What has any of that got to do with your nasty claim that Israel uses antisemitism?

I have not said Israel uses antisemetism .
Please show me EXACTLY where i said that ?

Here it is in black and white- "Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much ."

[tuffers#1]

What has any of that got to do with your nasty claim that Israel uses antisemitism?

I have not said Israel uses antisemetism .
Please show me EXACTLY where i said that ?

Here it is in black and white- "Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much ."

Nope that is just you making stuff up

[Red_Army]

Does believing a country has a right to exist , mean that you attempt to cause genocide on the original inhabitants of the place where the new country now stands ?

Especially given that the new country was given a safe haven because someone tried to commit genocide on the inhabitants of the New nation , on the same land the old nation once stood.

Oh my word you really just do not understand what I am saying do you.

Being a Zionist doesn't mean you have to support their every action or even any of them.

I understand fully what you are saying.

I dont think you have got to where i am at.

I dont particularly have a problem with Israel other than this . They are the only country in the world that has a written constitution that stops others from criticising them . If you do you are open to be called an anti-semite.

Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much .

Judaism as a religon does not hide anything.

There is a major difference between the 2 .

==========================================

Update.

Let me correct that statement not a constitution.
It was written either as part of the laws of
Or in the declaration.

Let me find the piece & i will come back to correct myself fully.

[Red_Army]

I have not said Israel uses antisemetism .
Please show me EXACTLY where i said that ?

Here it is in black and white- "Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much ."

Nope that is just you making stuff up

What are you talking about you literally posted it.

[Redcard]

You will not get any truth from tuffers.

[Redcard]

Red army, what do you expect me to say, I am sorry they lost. They start wars they lose, tough sh*t.

[Red_Army]

Red army, what do you expect me to say, I am sorry they lost. They start wars they lose, tough sh*t.

I hope you enjoy being a nasty piece of work.

[Redcard]

I enjoy every minute of every day, I have a great life. Sorry if this disappoints you.

[Lucky7]

I loathe every minute of every day, I have a sh*t life. Sorry if this disappoints you.

[tuffers#1]

What has any of that got to do with your nasty claim that Israel uses antisemitism?

I have not said Israel uses antisemetism .
Please show me EXACTLY where i said that ?

Here it is in black and white- "Israel uses anti-semetism to hide much ."

Since 2003 , 232 un resolutions have been passed against Israel


2nd is Sudan with 40.

That says Israel hides alot.

Wikipedia link to all un resolutions against Israel since its creation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... prov=sfla1


Again i think you are confusing what antisemetism is
A " a hatred of jews &
B a dislike of Israeli poilcy especially with regard to palestine.

Personally i think both have a right to exist
No more no less .

As for religon, i think all can co exist if the people who practice them are prepared too allow the other to exist.

[StockholmO]

Like a moth to a naked flame the suspected anti-semites are all over this car crash of a thread.

What sad times we live in, just why can't we all get along with each other.

Love and Peace and only two weeks from Hannukah.