Snowflake upset with tv show

[Max B Gold]

What are you talking about? I can promise with 100% certainty that I, Redo, have never baited a lefty on this MB. I may have got things wrong or been misinformed but I have never deliberately tried to bait the lefties.

It's almost as if Jesus Spice never existed. But then I suppose he hasn't been on this MB.

You getting mixed up up with Spice Albert? Actually, he has been on here but it was years ago now.

SA was a top Boarder and missed on here. I see some of his posts on Bookface now and again.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

What are you talking about? I can promise with 100% certainty that I, Redo, have never baited a lefty on this MB. I may have got things wrong or been misinformed but I have never deliberately tried to bait the lefties.

It's almost as if Jesus Spice never existed. But then I suppose he hasn't been on this MB.

You getting mixed up up with Spice Albert? Actually, he has been on here but it was years ago now.

Yeah, that sounds about right. Think he can be found winding people up on the twitter these days.

[StillSpike]

Just as long as he does Brexit with no deal is all that matters, from a rock solid labour voter till Nige came along, I'm also old enough to know Corblyme from the winter of discontent, even as fully paid up union member it was all wrong, the barsteward
corbin wanted to tumble us into a communist state

And yet it's the lefties who are supposed to be cultists.

Enjoy the Koolaid.

[Disoriented]

Alternatively, he is a leader of sound judgement who avoids putting himself at unnecessary risk because he knows he can get his message across in different ways.

Lets see whether the public share your view or not.

The verdict will be announced early on December 13th

There was a time when I used to look at your posts and think that you were maybe trying to provoke some thought or debate.

However, like Maffy, I've now reached the conclusion that you're an idiot. If you can associate the words "sound judgement" with Boris Johnson then I can only treat you as a complete half-wit who is going to end up with the government you deserve.

Sadly it appears you want to sink to personal insults.



JC & BJ are involved in a competition where the aim is to win the election. They have adopted different strategies to getting their maessages out.

If not appearing in TV debates to avoid car crash moments and using other methods to get your message across is successful, then I would call that sound judgement.

I would not call it sound judgement to choose to go onto TV and have a car crash interview that harms your chances of being elected.



You appear to be collating what you want to happen with what is sound judgement.

Its quite clear you want BJ to appear on TV in debates / interviews. That is fine and you are entitled to hold that view.

However, the competition is not to do what you want but to win the election. Choosing a strategy that wins the election is adopting sound judgement. Choosing a strategy that loses you an election is not sound judgement.


Unless, I am wrong and the aim is not to win the election

This is not a game fella.

[spen666]

There was a time when I used to look at your posts and think that you were maybe trying to provoke some thought or debate.

However, like Maffy, I've now reached the conclusion that you're an idiot. If you can associate the words "sound judgement" with Boris Johnson then I can only treat you as a complete half-wit who is going to end up with the government you deserve.

Sadly it appears you want to sink to personal insults.



JC & BJ are involved in a competition where the aim is to win the election. They have adopted different strategies to getting their maessages out.

If not appearing in TV debates to avoid car crash moments and using other methods to get your message across is successful, then I would call that sound judgement.

I would not call it sound judgement to choose to go onto TV and have a car crash interview that harms your chances of being elected.



You appear to be collating what you want to happen with what is sound judgement.

Its quite clear you want BJ to appear on TV in debates / interviews. That is fine and you are entitled to hold that view.

However, the competition is not to do what you want but to win the election. Choosing a strategy that wins the election is adopting sound judgement. Choosing a strategy that loses you an election is not sound judgement.


Unless, I am wrong and the aim is not to win the election

This is not a game fella.

No, it's a competition where there can be only one winner

[Disoriented]

Sadly it appears you want to sink to personal insults.



JC & BJ are involved in a competition where the aim is to win the election. They have adopted different strategies to getting their maessages out.

If not appearing in TV debates to avoid car crash moments and using other methods to get your message across is successful, then I would call that sound judgement.

I would not call it sound judgement to choose to go onto TV and have a car crash interview that harms your chances of being elected.



You appear to be collating what you want to happen with what is sound judgement.

Its quite clear you want BJ to appear on TV in debates / interviews. That is fine and you are entitled to hold that view.

However, the competition is not to do what you want but to win the election. Choosing a strategy that wins the election is adopting sound judgement. Choosing a strategy that loses you an election is not sound judgement.


Unless, I am wrong and the aim is not to win the election

This is not a game fella.

No, it's a competition where there can be only one winner

No offence, but have you had to work hard to come across so stupid or is it something which comes naturally?

[point nine one eight]

This is not a game fella.

No, it's a competition where there can be only one winner

No offence, but have you had to work hard to come across so stupid or is it something which comes naturally?

Oh dear just when I thought where's Dis gone, have you had a change heart or mind, you pop up outta no where trying to goad people, Your far better than that, however Spen can beat you hands down any day of the weak, most people want to be liked/loved even you. Bath in the warm waters more relaxing

[point nine one eight]

Just as long as he does Brexit with no deal is all that matters, from a rock solid labour voter till Nige came along, I'm also old enough to know Corblyme from the winter of discontent, even as fully paid up union member it was all wrong, the barsteward
corbin wanted to tumble us into a communist state

And yet it's the lefties who are supposed to be cultists.

Enjoy the Koolaid.

Ya lost me on both of them, Koolaid? never heard of it, the bit about cultists went straight over my head, sorry

[moonwalk19]

Johnson is in my opinion a coward who either won’t allow himself to stand up to scrutiny or his party are so worried about him making more f*ck ups that they have told him not to do in depth interviews.

Alternatively, he is a leader of sound judgement who avoids putting himself at unnecessary risk because he knows he can get his message across in different ways.

Lets see whether the public share your view or not.

The verdict will be announced early on December 13th

Agree. All the debates so far have been just been like a load of children squabbling over their toys. The population by now should know who they are going to put their cross against. The debates over the next two weeks should not change that.

[Real Al]

Thanks for explaining why he's avoiding interviews, but we already know why. We'd just like him to be exposed for what he really is. For people to know the truth and what they're voting for. Would've thought a man in your profession would be in favour of that.

What on earth are you talking about; he's a lawyer!

[StillSpike]

Just as long as he does Brexit with no deal is all that matters, from a rock solid labour voter till Nige came along, I'm also old enough to know Corblyme from the winter of discontent, even as fully paid up union member it was all wrong, the barsteward
corbin wanted to tumble us into a communist state

And yet it's the lefties who are supposed to be cultists.

Enjoy the Koolaid.

Ya lost me on both of them, Koolaid? never heard of it, the bit about cultists went straight over my head, sorry

I was struck by your statement that getting out with no deal was all that matters. It's extraordinary.

Labour supporters are often called, pejoratively, a cult - because they're accused of blindly following Corbyn the man (the absolute boy), as opposed to the policies and values that the Labour party is standing on.

Brexit seems - for some - to have become something of a cult. Any behaviour from the Tories - any other policy - any lies, any scandal, any racism, any homophobia, any barely disguised contempt for anyone "beneath" them (so that's you, me and all of us) is excused or ignored, it seems, usual norms sacrificed at the alter of Getting Brexit Done! (Along with, of course, any possible negative consequences of that Brexit - they're all Fake News)

As a rock solid Labour voter, you must have had some vaguely socialist values. Do you really believe that Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Gove, Raab, Tice and Farage, to name but a few, are actually on your side (in any matter other than Brexit)? In any other part of policy or outlook - do these millionaires think the way you do? Do they look out for your interests? Take a guess at that if you want - but you know deep down whether they're likely to act in YOUR best interest - as opposed, say, to acting in the best interest of those at the very top of the wealth scale (i.e. people like them). They don't need a public health service, decent state schools, a state pension, adult social care or any sort of social safety net - still trust them with it?

Leaving Brexit aside for just a moment (and notice how BJ really doesn't want us to do that at all during this campaign) - are they on your side? If Bojo wasn't trying to deliver Brexit for you - but the rest of their manifesto stood - do you think you'd still be defending him? Do you think you'd accept and excuse him chickening out of interviews and debates as he's doing now, if it wasn't for Brexit? Would you trust him ? (do you trust him anyway - given the number of lies told and promises broken?). The Tories don't even try to hide their contempt for you - they know they've got you, 'cos Brexit.

So they're promising to deliver your precious Brexit - that which you WON - your prize. But ask yourself this for a moment - is the version of Brexit that they want to deliver REALLY going to be in your best interest? In every other matter they're not on your side - so why do you suppose that the version of Brexit that they've sold you (their version) is not just going to suit them and their paymasters (domestic, American, and Russian), rather than you, me and the rest of us? Maybe that doesn't matter to you - maybe it's more important that you're not cheated out of the prize that you won (whatever that prize might turn out to be). I really hope it's not a pig in a poke. So if it turns out well, then that's great, and you were right all along, but if it turns out to be horrendous - and that's almost too terrible to contemplate, isn't it? because it'll mean you were lied to and you were fooled - who are you going to blame? Many have already said they want "no deal", so that lets the EU off the hook, doesn't it? That only leaves those who've told you it'll be fine, or you?

These are questions that you might feel brave enough to ask yourself, and honest enough with yourself to answer.

The Koolaid line was a reference to The Peoples Temple cult, which became rather famous in 1978 - it's worth looking up, if only as a matter of interest.

[Thor]

Still spike, I must say an excellent post. The trouble as i see it are as follows.

1) Jeremy Corbyn
2) Renationalisation
3) Shadow Front Bench


Corbyn is a disaster zone and labour supporters are openly saying they will not vote labour because of him.

Renationalisation, I'm not against it per say, as I believe the rail network should be under state control for example. But wholesale renationalisation is pretty scary, do a bit, then do some more by inspiring the people, as it stands it scares people.

Shadown front bench is not a good proposition as it stands. McDonald is a dangerous man, Abbott is incompetent and on it goes, people dont have trust in them to be able to do their jobs with any kind of competency.

The labour manifesto has some good points in it which will help society, I'm not convinced in the people delivering them unfortunately. That's the problem.

[slacker]

Some leading Labour personalities are certainly an issue that trumps policies for quite a few potential supporters, there’s no denying that. But when I line them up against their current Tory cabinet counterparts (and plenty of May’s crew were just dreadful), most don’t seem so bad.

Abbott’s an interesting one. Clearly a well educated & pretty smart woman, she’d would wipe the floor with most of the angry Gammons on here who have the nerve to call her stupid - who held her own and earned the respect of Andrew Neil & Portillo on This Week for many years. Yet she’s become prone to an interview gaffe in recent years - which too many seem to delight in highlighting: she received over half the total online and media bullying abuse of any at the last GE, which is pretty shameful - I’m not convinced she’s that well since struggling with diabetes.

[BoniO]

Johnson is in my opinion a coward who either won’t allow himself to stand up to scrutiny or his party are so worried about him making more f*ck ups that they have told him not to do in depth interviews.

Alternatively, he is a leader of sound judgement who avoids putting himself at unnecessary risk because he knows he can get his message across in different ways.

Lets see whether the public share your view or not.

The verdict will be announced early on December 13th

Yeah right. Do you really believe he is a leader of sound judgement then? I'm asking for your personal opinion, what is your view of him. A response of "it's not about what I think, you'll find out what the Country thinks on the 13th" will be a complete bottle job on your part.

[tuffers#1]

Still spike, I must say an excellent post. The trouble as i see it are as follows.

1) Jeremy Corbyn
2) Renationalisation
3) Shadow Front Bench


Corbyn is a disaster zone and labour supporters are openly saying they will not vote labour because of him.

Renationalisation, I'm not against it per say, as I believe the rail network should be under state control for example. But wholesale renationalisation is pretty scary, do a bit, then do some more by inspiring the people, as it stands it scares people.

Shadown front bench is not a good proposition as it stands. McDonald is a dangerous man, Abbott is incompetent and on it goes, people dont have trust in them to be able to do their jobs with any kind of competency.

The labour manifesto has some good points in it which will help society, I'm not convinced in the people delivering them unfortunately. That's the problem.

Can you tell me why these 3 things will be a problem thory boy

[Thor]

I did re-read my post tuffers. I've put an argument and opinion forwards.

[point nine one eight]

Thank you Stillspike good reply, MY PRECIOUS BREXIT was still a dig, designed by you to put my thoughts down, 17.4 million a majority vote, voted for brexit but still you wont/cant except democracy unless it's your way. I can see both of the debate, I was a labour voter however almost the entire front bench of labour is un electable, policies, personalities, people. Your defence of Abbot, the biggest hypocrite ever, racist and sexist, she sets up a charity solely to help black girls,(Racist Sexist) all in one. We will end up with no deal Brexit Boris will win election he can then dump his deal as opposition can't stop him. That's all I want from him now, I can get rid of him afterwards if I want. Personally I would prefer Nigel as PM, shows how far the damage the EU has done to this country, my political swing went from labour to just slightly to the right of Ghenis Khan in 5 years. There's half a billion in the EU that don't like us, they just want our money, The Commonwealth has population approx 2.5 billion who do like us and want to trade with us again, India alone has population near 1.5 billion. We are a Maritime trading nation stuck to dealing with a single block closed minded people. That wants to create a single state out of 26 other countries, it will never work, a single army navy airforce. I can just see now how that will work, German troops back on Polish soil, yeah right, can you see the French Navy coming to our rescue don't forget we fired on their Fleet in WW2 also Italian Navy suffered same way, mind you they can't find the exit to the Med, so that's a bit of luck for us.

[Still's Carenae]

Thor. You obviously never travelled on trains pre privatisation.

The target would be 85% of trains running. 60% on time, when on time means up to 15 minutes late. (SIC)

I used to have to be on the station for the 7.15 to ensure that I got to work on time for 9 o'clock. 7.45 would have been my preference, but instead of arriving in at 8.35/40 - it was much more likely to be in work for 9.10/15.

[tuffers#1]

I did re-read my post tuffers. I've put an argument and opinion forwards.

Ok Spen

Stoo HS2 that brings £300 bilkion back into play instead of wasting it on the link North .

Its only for Buisness peopke to be able to do buisness quicker. Just come down to London a day earlier & spend a night in a hotel instead of wasting £300 billion.


Oh & Cut Trident , theres £205 billion back in the coffers.

Simole gives Labour a huge amount of money to play with.

[Thor]

Thor. You obviously never travelled on trains pre privatisation.

The target would be 85% of trains running. 60% on time, when on time means up to 15 minutes late. (SIC)

I used to have to be on the station for the 7.15 to ensure that I got to work on time for 9 o'clock. 7.45 would have been my preference, but instead of arriving in at 8.35/40 - it was much more likely to be in work for 9.10/15.

Yes I did. I had to travel by train to school every day under British rail so I do remember all too vividly the poor service. If you read my post I actually said I agree that the rail network should be brought back under state control. Not so sure all the others need to or at least so quickly.

[Still's Carenae]

Thor. You obviously never travelled on trains pre privatisation.

The target would be 85% of trains running. 60% on time, when on time means up to 15 minutes late. (SIC)

I used to have to be on the station for the 7.15 to ensure that I got to work on time for 9 o'clock. 7.45 would have been my preference, but instead of arriving in at 8.35/40 - it was much more likely to be in work for 9.10/15.

Yes I did. I had to travel by train to school every day under British rail so I do remember all too vividly the poor service. If you read my post I actually said I agree that the rail network should be brought back under state control. Not so sure all the others need to or at least so quickly.

The infrastructure is still under state control. This is where a lot of the problems are.

Areas should be franchised out, rather than renationalised. Then with targets and hold the franchisers to strong commitments, both in structure and timekeeping.

[StillSpike]

Thank you Stillspike good reply, MY PRECIOUS BREXIT was still a dig, designed by you to put my thoughts down, 17.4 million a majority vote, voted for brexit but still you wont/cant except democracy unless it's your way. I can see both of the debate, I was a labour voter however almost the entire front bench of labour is un electable, policies, personalities, people. Your defence of Abbot, the biggest hypocrite ever, racist and sexist, she sets up a charity solely to help black girls,(Racist Sexist) all in one. We will end up with no deal Brexit Boris will win election he can then dump his deal as opposition can't stop him. That's all I want from him now, I can get rid of him afterwards if I want. Personally I would prefer Nigel as PM, shows how far the damage the EU has done to this country, my political swing went from labour to just slightly to the right of Ghenis Khan in 5 years. There's half a billion in the EU that don't like us, they just want our money, The Commonwealth has population approx 2.5 billion who do like us and want to trade with us again, India alone has population near 1.5 billion. We are a Maritime trading nation stuck to dealing with a single block closed minded people. That wants to create a single state out of 26 other countries, it will never work, a single army navy airforce. I can just see now how that will work, German troops back on Polish soil, yeah right, can you see the French Navy coming to our rescue don't forget we fired on their Fleet in WW2 also Italian Navy suffered same way, mind you they can't find the exit to the Med, so that's a bit of luck for us.

Not a dig. It is obviously precious to you, if it's the only thing that matters to you, and you're prepared to follow anyone who'll promise to deliver, regardless of any of their other actions

[moonwalk19]

Some leading Labour personalities are certainly an issue that trumps policies for quite a few potential supporters, there’s no denying that. But when I line them up against their current Tory cabinet counterparts (and plenty of May’s crew were just dreadful), most don’t seem so bad.

Abbott’s an interesting one. Clearly a well educated & pretty smart woman, she’d would wipe the floor with most of the angry Gammons on here who have the nerve to call her stupid - who held her own and earned the respect of Andrew Neil & Portillo on This Week for many years. Yet she’s become prone to an interview gaffe in recent years - which too many seem to delight in highlighting: she received over half the total online and media bullying abuse of any at the last GE, which is pretty shameful - I’m not convinced she’s that well since struggling with diabetes.

Do you honestly think she would do a good job . The labour policy has been to keep her away from the limelight because of the gaffs she has made in the past. Is she still outlined to be our Home Secretary. Very scary.

[Dunners]

I'm sort of with spenantic666 on this. Boris (or, Cummings) is applying a shrewd, calculated and cynical approach. Even when it appears to be chaotic (Gove turning up at C4), it is actually very carefully planned. Whether or not following this strategy will prove to be 'sound judgement' will be revealed on the morning of 13 December.

It was.