Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:57 pm
If he wins through judging that enough people are thick enough to fall for this approach, will that not prove his point? Would the ends not justify the means to Tory MPs, party members, and their financial contributors? I'm not suggesting for one moment that we should give a stuff about their opinions, but equally they do not give a stuff about ours.
We may not like it, it is morally reprehensible, but this is a Tory leader engaged in a battle for power for the next five years. Why would people expect anything else?
Describing it like that merely confirms he is not fit to lead.
In a democratic election the voters are entitled to understand what kind of leader they will be getting. By hiding away from scrutiny the voters are being deliberately starved of information in order to hide the unsuitability of Boris Liar Johnson.
This approach holds the electorate in utter contempt and is in essence undemocratic and unacceptable.
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greyhound wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:03 pm
he is not so stupid to go on debates
and make a right p...k of himself like Corbyn the .
Boris is far from stupid - you should realise that he knows exactly what he's doing which is taking advantage of people like you. I seem to spend most of my time now just asking people to examine the evidence of their own eyes and ears. If you're content to vote for a man who holds the working class, the middle class, ethnic minorities and the LGBT community in complete contempt, then there's nothing I can do to help you.
at least he doesn't support terrorists.
Corbyn and abbot in charge do me a favour.
I would rather be dead in a ditch than see that.its nailed on con victory so get used to it.
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:57 pm
If he wins through judging that enough people are thick enough to fall for this approach, will that not prove his point? Would the ends not justify the means to Tory MPs, party members, and their financial contributors? I'm not suggesting for one moment that we should give a stuff about their opinions, but equally they do not give a stuff about ours.
We may not like it, it is morally reprehensible, but this is a Tory leader engaged in a battle for power for the next five years. Why would people expect anything else?
Describing it like that merely confirms he is not fit to lead.
In a democratic election the voters are entitled to understand what kind of leader they will be getting. By hiding sway from scrutiny the voters are being deliberately starved of information in order to hide the inevitability of Boris Liar Johnson.
This approach holds the electorate in utter contempt and is in essence undemocratic and unacceptable.
If the electorate don't like his campaigning they will show that at the ballot box on December 12th.
The reality is he has no need to go on TV because he and the Tories are able to get their message and information across in different ways.
Nothing contemptuous in choosing the best methods for you to get your message across. If the public don't like it, they won't vote for him
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:57 pm
If he wins through judging that enough people are thick enough to fall for this approach, will that not prove his point? Would the ends not justify the means to Tory MPs, party members, and their financial contributors? I'm not suggesting for one moment that we should give a stuff about their opinions, but equally they do not give a stuff about ours.
We may not like it, it is morally reprehensible, but this is a Tory leader engaged in a battle for power for the next five years. Why would people expect anything else?
Describing it like that merely confirms he is not fit to lead.
In a democratic election the voters are entitled to understand what kind of leader they will be getting. By hiding sway from scrutiny the voters are being deliberately starved of information in order to hide the inevitability of Boris Liar Johnson.
This approach holds the electorate in utter contempt and is in essence undemocratic and unacceptable.
If the electorate don't like his campaigning they will show that at the ballot box on December 12th.
The reality is he has no need to go on TV because he and the Tories are able to get their message and information across in different ways.
Nothing contemptuous in choosing the best methods for you to get your message across. If the public don't like it, they won't vote for him
Its a general election where the parties are seeking endorsement for their policies and people by the entire nation. Its not a marketing campaign to sell chocolate bars or soap powder.
Describing it like that merely confirms he is not fit to lead.
In a democratic election the voters are entitled to understand what kind of leader they will be getting. By hiding sway from scrutiny the voters are being deliberately starved of information in order to hide the inevitability of Boris Liar Johnson.
This approach holds the electorate in utter contempt and is in essence undemocratic and unacceptable.
If the electorate don't like his campaigning they will show that at the ballot box on December 12th.
The reality is he has no need to go on TV because he and the Tories are able to get their message and information across in different ways.
Nothing contemptuous in choosing the best methods for you to get your message across. If the public don't like it, they won't vote for him
Its a general election where the parties are seeking endorsement for their policies and people by the entire nation. Its not a marketing campaign to sell chocolate bars or soap powder.
It is exactly a marketing campaign to sell something - namely their political policies
greyhound wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:03 pm
he is not so stupid to go on debates
and make a right p...k of himself like Corbyn the .
Boris is far from stupid - you should realise that he knows exactly what he's doing which is taking advantage of people like you. I seem to spend most of my time now just asking people to examine the evidence of their own eyes and ears. If you're content to vote for a man who holds the working class, the middle class, ethnic minorities and the LGBT community in complete contempt, then there's nothing I can do to help you.
Sounds just like the kind of PM we need, shut you abusive Corbin lovers up
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:57 pm
If he wins through judging that enough people are thick enough to fall for this approach, will that not prove his point? Would the ends not justify the means to Tory MPs, party members, and their financial contributors? I'm not suggesting for one moment that we should give a stuff about their opinions, but equally they do not give a stuff about ours.
We may not like it, it is morally reprehensible, but this is a Tory leader engaged in a battle for power for the next five years. Why would people expect anything else?
Describing it like that merely confirms he is not fit to lead.
In a democratic election the voters are entitled to understand what kind of leader they will be getting. By hiding sway from scrutiny the voters are being deliberately starved of information in order to hide the inevitability of Boris Liar Johnson.
This approach holds the electorate in utter contempt and is in essence undemocratic and unacceptable.
How you getting on with your once in a life time scot indi ref rerun
There was a time when I used to look at your posts and think that you were maybe trying to provoke some thought or debate.
However, like Maffy, I've now reached the conclusion that you're an idiot. If you can associate the words "sound judgement" with Boris Johnson then I can only treat you as a complete half-wit who is going to end up with the government you deserve.
Sadly it appears you want to sink to personal insults.
JC & BJ are involved in a competition where the aim is to win the election. They have adopted different strategies to getting their maessages out.
If not appearing in TV debates to avoid car crash moments and using other methods to get your message across is successful, then I would call that sound judgement.
I would not call it sound judgement to choose to go onto TV and have a car crash interview that harms your chances of being elected.
You appear to be collating what you want to happen with what is sound judgement.
Its quite clear you want BJ to appear on TV in debates / interviews. That is fine and you are entitled to hold that view.
However, the competition is not to do what you want but to win the election. Choosing a strategy that wins the election is adopting sound judgement. Choosing a strategy that loses you an election is not sound judgement.
Unless, I am wrong and the aim is not to win the election
PW's beaten me to it a bit here - I clearly understand what Johnson is doing which is avoiding scrutiny and making himself as small a target as possible.
Fine - he's free to do that. I sincerely hope that the electorate sees through this but sadly I suspect they won't because in the main they choose not to. Which is exactly what you're doing by equating his avoidance of any scrutiny with sound judgement.
And that makes you an idiot.
He's clearly not stupid.
I doubt he even believes the stuff he writes on here. I suspect it's just the age old game of lefty-baiting.
greyhound wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:03 pm
he is not so stupid to go on debates
and make a right p...k of himself like Corbyn the .
Boris is far from stupid - you should realise that he knows exactly what he's doing which is taking advantage of people like you. I seem to spend most of my time now just asking people to examine the evidence of their own eyes and ears. If you're content to vote for a man who holds the working class, the middle class, ethnic minorities and the LGBT community in complete contempt, then there's nothing I can do to help you.
Sounds just like the kind of PM we need, shut you abusive Corbin lovers up
Just so we're not confused, you're in favour of a politician who holds the vast majority of the electorate which I've listed above in complete contempt?
BTW, being a labour voter and supporter doesn't automatically make you a Corbyn acolyte.
Sadly it appears you want to sink to personal insults.
JC & BJ are involved in a competition where the aim is to win the election. They have adopted different strategies to getting their maessages out.
If not appearing in TV debates to avoid car crash moments and using other methods to get your message across is successful, then I would call that sound judgement.
I would not call it sound judgement to choose to go onto TV and have a car crash interview that harms your chances of being elected.
You appear to be collating what you want to happen with what is sound judgement.
Its quite clear you want BJ to appear on TV in debates / interviews. That is fine and you are entitled to hold that view.
However, the competition is not to do what you want but to win the election. Choosing a strategy that wins the election is adopting sound judgement. Choosing a strategy that loses you an election is not sound judgement.
Unless, I am wrong and the aim is not to win the election
PW's beaten me to it a bit here - I clearly understand what Johnson is doing which is avoiding scrutiny and making himself as small a target as possible.
Fine - he's free to do that. I sincerely hope that the electorate sees through this but sadly I suspect they won't because in the main they choose not to. Which is exactly what you're doing by equating his avoidance of any scrutiny with sound judgement.
And that makes you an idiot.
He's clearly not stupid.
I doubt he even believes the stuff he writes on here. I suspect it's just the age old game of lefty-baiting.
What are you talking about? I can promise with 100% certainty that I, Redo, have never baited a lefty on this MB. I may have got things wrong or been misinformed but I have never deliberately tried to bait the lefties.
RedO wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:39 pm
What are you talking about? I can promise with 100% certainty that I, Redo, have never baited a lefty on this MB. I may have got things wrong or been misinformed but I have never deliberately tried to bait the lefties.
It's almost as if Jesus Spice never existed. But then I suppose he hasn't been on this MB.
Boris is far from stupid - you should realise that he knows exactly what he's doing which is taking advantage of people like you. I seem to spend most of my time now just asking people to examine the evidence of their own eyes and ears. If you're content to vote for a man who holds the working class, the middle class, ethnic minorities and the LGBT community in complete contempt, then there's nothing I can do to help you.
Sounds just like the kind of PM we need, shut you abusive Corbin lovers up
Just so we're not confused, you're in favour of a politician who holds the vast majority of the electorate which I've listed above in complete contempt?
BTW, being a labour voter and supporter doesn't automatically make you a Corbyn acolyte.
Just as long as he does Brexit with no deal is all that matters, from a rock solid labour voter till Nige came along, I'm also old enough to know Corblyme from the winter of discontent, even as fully paid up union member it was all wrong, the barsteward
corbin wanted to tumble us into a communist state
RedO wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:39 pm
What are you talking about? I can promise with 100% certainty that I, Redo, have never baited a lefty on this MB. I may have got things wrong or been misinformed but I have never deliberately tried to bait the lefties.
It's almost as if Jesus Spice never existed. But then I suppose he hasn't been on this MB.
I do not know what your are talking about. Just to clarify, I can promise with 100% certainty that I, Redo, have never baited a lefty on this MB. I may have got things wrong or been misinformed but I have never deliberately tried to bait the lefties.
Seems like some people are struggling to understand what an election campaign is.
We shall see on December 13th who won the election , who therefore exercised the better judgement both of policies and of campaigning methods.
For the avoidance of doubt, the winner of the election is the party that win the most seats/ get asked to form a government ( not necessarily the same thing).
You can argue all day long about whose policies or campaigning is morally superior, but that isn't what makes winners. an election campaign is about practical not theoretical politics
Why do you keep repeating the same thing? Seeing as he wont do interviews to avoid being found out as a total clown, perhaps it is not him with the 'good judgment' but his advisors?
RedO wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:39 pm
What are you talking about? I can promise with 100% certainty that I, Redo, have never baited a lefty on this MB. I may have got things wrong or been misinformed but I have never deliberately tried to bait the lefties.
It's almost as if Jesus Spice never existed. But then I suppose he hasn't been on this MB.
I do not know what your are talking about. Just to clarify, I can promise with 100% certainty that I, Redo, have never baited a lefty on this MB. I may have got things wrong or been misinformed but I have never deliberately tried to bait the lefties.
RedO has as many convictions for baiting lefties on this MB than you or I.
It's almost as if Jesus Spice never existed. But then I suppose he hasn't been on this MB.
I do not know what your are talking about. Just to clarify, I can promise with 100% certainty that I, Redo, have never baited a lefty on this MB. I may have got things wrong or been misinformed but I have never deliberately tried to bait the lefties.
RedO has as many convictions for baiting lefties on this MB than you or I.
RedO wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:39 pm
What are you talking about? I can promise with 100% certainty that I, Redo, have never baited a lefty on this MB. I may have got things wrong or been misinformed but I have never deliberately tried to bait the lefties.
It's almost as if Jesus Spice never existed. But then I suppose he hasn't been on this MB.
You getting mixed up up with Spice Albert? Actually, he has been on here but it was years ago now.
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