Tax System nothing like buying a round.

[Stowaway]

Because it isn’t.

HTH.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Only with a bit of imagination

[tuffers#1]

Some bunch of middled aged folk band

[Redcard]

Communism, marxism, socialism works . It is incredibly fair, we all end up equal with f*** all.

[Stowaway]

Communism, marxism, socialism works . It is incredibly fair, we all end up equal with f*** all.

Proper democratic socialism, done properly as in Scandinavian countries, works pretty well. I’d prefer that over the complete mess we have here right now.

[Thor]

Stowaway being not familiar with their politics in Scandinavian countries how does that differ from what Corbyn is proposing?

[Stowaway]

Stowaway being not familiar with their politics in Scandinavian countries how does that differ from what Corbyn is proposing?

There’s not a great deal of difference, in many cases. Most of Labour’s proposals wouldn’t cause a single raised eyebrow in most of Scandinavia. Everyone knows that Sweden, the best example, has a higher standard of living than the UK. Yes, taxes are higher but healthcare, education and social care are all taken care of. Society works better when it’s inclusive, and everyone benefits if workers are paid well, everyone can afford housing and there’s no underclass. I’d be happy to stump up a bit more in tax, even on my modest income, if it meant that the country as a whole worked better. Sweden isn’t perfect but it’s a lot better than what we’ve got right now. It wouldn’t take a massive leap of faith to go down that road.

[Thor]

Stowaway being not familiar with their politics in Scandinavian countries how does that differ from what Corbyn is proposing?

There’s not a great deal of difference, in many cases. Most of Labour’s proposals wouldn’t cause a single raised eyebrow in most of Scandinavia. Everyone knows that Sweden, the best example, has a higher standard of living than the UK. Yes, taxes are higher but healthcare, education and social care are all taken care of. Society works better when it’s inclusive, and everyone benefits if workers are paid well, everyone can afford housing and there’s no underclass. I’d be happy to stump up a bit more in tax, even on my modest income, if it meant that the country as a whole worked better. Sweden isn’t perfect but it’s a lot better than what we’ve got right now. It wouldn’t take a massive leap of faith to go down that road.

I agree with that.

[PoundhillO]

Stowaway being not familiar with their politics in Scandinavian countries how does that differ from what Corbyn is proposing?

There’s not a great deal of difference, in many cases. Most of Labour’s proposals wouldn’t cause a single raised eyebrow in most of Scandinavia. Everyone knows that Sweden, the best example, has a higher standard of living than the UK. Yes, taxes are higher but healthcare, education and social care are all taken care of. Society works better when it’s inclusive, and everyone benefits if workers are paid well, everyone can afford housing and there’s no underclass. I’d be happy to stump up a bit more in tax, even on my modest income, if it meant that the country as a whole worked better. Sweden isn’t perfect but it’s a lot better than what we’ve got right now. It wouldn’t take a massive leap of faith to go down that road.

I agree with that.

Me too

[Red_Army]

Stowaway being not familiar with their politics in Scandinavian countries how does that differ from what Corbyn is proposing?

There’s not a great deal of difference, in many cases. Most of Labour’s proposals wouldn’t cause a single raised eyebrow in most of Scandinavia. Everyone knows that Sweden, the best example, has a higher standard of living than the UK. Yes, taxes are higher but healthcare, education and social care are all taken care of. Society works better when it’s inclusive, and everyone benefits if workers are paid well, everyone can afford housing and there’s no underclass. I’d be happy to stump up a bit more in tax, even on my modest income, if it meant that the country as a whole worked better. Sweden isn’t perfect but it’s a lot better than what we’ve got right now. It wouldn’t take a massive leap of faith to go down that road.

I agree with that.

You should vote Labour then.

[Eat The Rich]

Stowaway being not familiar with their politics in Scandinavian countries how does that differ from what Corbyn is proposing?

There’s not a great deal of difference, in many cases. Most of Labour’s proposals wouldn’t cause a single raised eyebrow in most of Scandinavia. Everyone knows that Sweden, the best example, has a higher standard of living than the UK. Yes, taxes are higher but healthcare, education and social care are all taken care of. Society works better when it’s inclusive, and everyone benefits if workers are paid well, everyone can afford housing and there’s no underclass. I’d be happy to stump up a bit more in tax, even on my modest income, if it meant that the country as a whole worked better. Sweden isn’t perfect but it’s a lot better than what we’ve got right now. It wouldn’t take a massive leap of faith to go down that road.

I agree with that.

I thought you were Austrian school? What the bloody hell happened?

[Dunners]

It's almost as if you get what you pay for.

What's worth noting is that Labour's tax and spending proposals are not even as high as Scandinavia. It's just a mere nudge in that direction. And yet the rabid reaction from some sections would have you believe that it's a full on communist revolution.

[Eat The Rich]

Communism, marxism, socialism works . It is incredibly fair, we all end up equal with f*** all.

Proper democratic socialism, done properly as in Scandinavian countries, works pretty well. I’d prefer that over the complete mess we have here right now.

*nitpick mode engaged* Sweden is not democratic socialist. Its third way Social Democrat in a Northern European context. It has a mixed economy and integrated public/private healthcare not universal nationalised healthcare.

Sweden was late to industrialise by Western European standards and that process required substantial assistance from the state. Swedes haven't forgotten this fact. Add to that the fact that Sweden's is the oldest Social Democratic party in the world and has governed with relative success for a large portion of the twentieth century. There are other social factors but I think you get the drift.

Democratic Socialism is a very vague term and almost all Social Democracts and non-Stalinist Marxists identify as such in some form. That makes finding a clear definition very difficult. The best I can come up with is that Democratic Socialism defines a particular strategy. That strategy being winning power through the ballot box in bourgeois elections and maintaining the Capitalist state form to some greater or lesser degree. You are basically content to operate within Capitalist democracy and its institutions. The reason I would not call the Swedish SocDems Democratic Socialist is that they have an explicitly pro-Capitalist politics. They are not Socialists in any meaningful sense. Socialism is not Capitalism with a well funded welfare state. That is Social Democracy (see UK Labour, SNP.etc) Socialism has to entail as a minimum the democratisation of the economy. If you don't have that then you don't have anything that could remotely be called Socialism.

[Thor]

There’s not a great deal of difference, in many cases. Most of Labour’s proposals wouldn’t cause a single raised eyebrow in most of Scandinavia. Everyone knows that Sweden, the best example, has a higher standard of living than the UK. Yes, taxes are higher but healthcare, education and social care are all taken care of. Society works better when it’s inclusive, and everyone benefits if workers are paid well, everyone can afford housing and there’s no underclass. I’d be happy to stump up a bit more in tax, even on my modest income, if it meant that the country as a whole worked better. Sweden isn’t perfect but it’s a lot better than what we’ve got right now. It wouldn’t take a massive leap of faith to go down that road.

I agree with that.

I thought you were Austrian school? What the bloody hell happened?

You correct in your assumption. However, I have said on here many times that a new way is required, the two main parties are not capable of delivering what we the people really need or require. They pander to our wants and needs.

Yes I have chased the dream, yes I’ve earnt and been paid very well during my life and it was my ability and hard work which got me from the bottom to the top. We’ve had a decent life and been able to have nice things in life. However, as I get older (in my 40’s) I see that there is more to life than money or possessions. That we should do more to help each other, to reach out and bring the less fortunate among us to improve their lives, to give them a chance (of course they need to want to take it as some will not want to). Poverty in this country should not exist, homes should be for all, social care should not be able what you have in assets, but what you need and require. There are downsides, people who do not work must be encouraged to work, plenty of people are capable and choose not to, that’s not right. Children should all be given an opportunity to have a top education which helps drive society forwards, teaching standards need to improve further and schools need to be fullly funded so that the children are first and foremost the priority.

Socially bad behaviour needs to be eradicated, drugs need removing from society and prison must be a real deterrent and not the cosey number it is now.

But, only by everyone working together will we get the society that we deserve.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Sounds like the Labour manifesto is right up your street then.