**MARTIN LING EXCLUSIVE**

[SuperO1881]

Not looking to interview anyone for the Manager’s job, Ross Embleton has the job as long as he wants it but will be under review.
Well thanks for f*ck all Martin , where are the lessons that were supposed to be learnt ?
Embleton has said he doesn’t want the job, so why saddle him with a job he doesn’t want, it’s called being a bully boy and you of all people should accept that is not acceptable.Do the right thing by Embleton, the fans and the club and advertise immediately for a proven, experienced Manager at this level with absolutely no caveats!

Ross signed off with what was it, a 5 game unbeaten run, after announcing he would be stepping down. He must have had regrets at that point. He's then seen Fletcher come in and realised if he can give it a go, why can't he?

There is no bullying involved.

This is spot on. Ross has said he wants the job having seen how things went with Carl. People reading so far into things they go off topic.

[Red_Army]

Not looking to interview anyone for the Manager’s job, Ross Embleton has the job as long as he wants it but will be under review.
Well thanks for f*ck all Martin , where are the lessons that were supposed to be learnt ?
Embleton has said he doesn’t want the job, so why saddle him with a job he doesn’t want, it’s called being a bully boy and you of all people should accept that is not acceptable.Do the right thing by Embleton, the fans and the club and advertise immediately for a proven, experienced Manager at this level with absolutely no caveats!

Ross signed off with what was it, a 5 game unbeaten run, after announcing he would be stepping down. He must have had regrets at that point. He's then seen Fletcher come in and realised if he can give it a go, why can't he?

There is no bullying involved.

This is spot on. Ross has said he wants the job having seen how things went with Carl. People reading so far into things they go off topic.

If this information was contained somewhere more accessible than a 3 hour long podcast, people might be able to interpret the information as it was intended.

[Thor]

ML said he doesnt think DW is manager material at present. He backed this up by saying RE did 85% of the coaching for JE and then corrected himself to 75%. He went onto say that DW only did individual 1-2-1 on the coaching set up last year. He has stepped up this year and he believes in time he will be a manager just not now.

[SuperO1881]

As much as I'm not a fan of these I've put this one on during the commute to hear the ML interview. Only got through one hour (seriously 3 hours... wow) but some interesting takes...

Embleton has the job until end of the season unless he fails spectacularly. Ling isn't looking and just filing any candidates in Outlook to look at when he's bored

There's no doubt Ross is a lovely guy as Ling keeps saying but that seems to be the only qualification for him being suitable for the job. Davis was nice too apparently but that's not enough on its own. Somewhat worrying we define success by how pally managers are with players. On one hand he laughs at the "Ling Mafia" conspiracy theories but the next says how a manager has to accept the strengths of Embleton / Webb without question. Doesn't leave much room for manoeuvre and perhaps that's why the pool of applicants is so poor.

Nice little jibe at Hearn or Beelzebub, could be either... "unlike some who buy clubs and pretend to be an Orient fan but really aren't". Spicy

Elliot Byrne bringing back the emotion of the JE events, wasn't expecting that but all I can say is by making that tribute video from his emotional perspective he captured the thoughts of everyone who watched it perfectly. I think he's doing a fine job in the media role, interesting insights too.

Not got to the transfer window part but I can guess it's more burying head in the sand stuff from Ling. If he can't see the weaknesses in the squad at this level we're in deep trouble. Never mind bottom 8 it'll be bottom 3 before long.

Thanks for your comments, for once you're not having a dig at us and have some constructive comments which are are appreciated.

3 hours seemed like one hour while we were doing it and it's impossible to split that out sadly. Thanks for persevering with it. We think it's worth listening too - you can probably skip the FGR review and the tweets we read to help cut it down a bit.

Don't think he was having a dig at Hear. Probably at the previous owners and others like him.

[Red_Army]

As much as I'm not a fan of these I've put this one on during the commute to hear the ML interview. Only got through one hour (seriously 3 hours... wow) but some interesting takes...

Embleton has the job until end of the season unless he fails spectacularly. Ling isn't looking and just filing any candidates in Outlook to look at when he's bored

There's no doubt Ross is a lovely guy as Ling keeps saying but that seems to be the only qualification for him being suitable for the job. Davis was nice too apparently but that's not enough on its own. Somewhat worrying we define success by how pally managers are with players. On one hand he laughs at the "Ling Mafia" conspiracy theories but the next says how a manager has to accept the strengths of Embleton / Webb without question. Doesn't leave much room for manoeuvre and perhaps that's why the pool of applicants is so poor.

Nice little jibe at Hearn or Beelzebub, could be either... "unlike some who buy clubs and pretend to be an Orient fan but really aren't". Spicy

Elliot Byrne bringing back the emotion of the JE events, wasn't expecting that but all I can say is by making that tribute video from his emotional perspective he captured the thoughts of everyone who watched it perfectly. I think he's doing a fine job in the media role, interesting insights too.

Not got to the transfer window part but I can guess it's more burying head in the sand stuff from Ling. If he can't see the weaknesses in the squad at this level we're in deep trouble. Never mind bottom 8 it'll be bottom 3 before long.

Thanks for your comments, for once you're not having a dig at us and have some constructive comments which are are appreciated.

3 hours seemed like one hour while we were doing it and it's impossible to split that out sadly. Thanks for persevering with it. We think it's worth listening too - you can probably skip the FGR review and the tweets we read to help cut it down a bit.

Don't think he was having a dig at Hear. Probably at the previous owners and others like him.

Shame. Anyone who has a dig at Hearn's ownership of the club clearly knows what they are talking about.

[PoundhillO]

Not looking to interview anyone for the Manager’s job, Ross Embleton has the job as long as he wants it but will be under review.
Well thanks for f*ck all Martin , where are the lessons that were supposed to be learnt ?
Embleton has said he doesn’t want the job, so why saddle him with a job he doesn’t want, it’s called being a bully boy and you of all people should accept that is not acceptable.Do the right thing by Embleton, the fans and the club and advertise immediately for a proven, experienced Manager at this level with absolutely no caveats!

Ross signed off with what was it, a 5 game unbeaten run, after announcing he would be stepping down. He must have had regrets at that point. He's then seen Fletcher come in and realised if he can give it a go, why can't he?

There is no bullying involved.

This is spot on. Ross has said he wants the job having seen how things went with Carl. People reading so far into things they go off topic.

Wrong, after Fletcher left and after the Q&A with Ling , Travis and the others Ross said:


“A month or so ago I said (while interim coach) that I didn’t want the job on a permanent basis.I am not going to stand here now and say I want the job, because that would look ridiculous “

To my knowledge Ross has not made a statement himself that he has changed his mind , which in his own words would make him look ridiculous.

If he has changed his mind let him make it known to the fans, if he hasn’t changed his mind Ling has to stop inferring that he has changed his mind and stop being a bully boy.

[Long slender neck]

He's not being a bully, he's giving him another opportunity.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Have to agree with PoindhillO. I’ve relistened to past comments and unless I’ve missed one, someone will let me know, I cannot find any comments that suggest Ross has said he wants the job on a permanent basis. All the rhetoric is coming from Ling. Cannot Ross speak for himself, I find his interviews very good. Am I reading too much into his silence.

It is just not a realistic situation for Ling to suggest Ross has had this massive change of Mind after a few weeks of walking away from the job and 20 years developing his coaching skills without seeking the Number 1 role.

The pressure is coming from Ling. Ross is a decent guy, doing his best, and I have the utmost respect for him.

But I’ve not listened to the podcast yet, perhaps all will be revealed.

[PoundhillO]

He's not being a bully, he's giving him another opportunity.

If he said after Fletcher left that he didn’t want the job and Ross hasn’t made a statement saying he has changed his mind, then it is undue pressure at minimum although I believe it is bullying.
Ling should respect Embleton’s decision and get on with the job of advertising for a proven, experienced Manager and stop burying his head in the sand.

[Thor]

I'm sure that they both speak in the background and I'm sure he is being encouraged by ML, saying that though amy boss worth his salt should be encouraging their staff to be better and look forwards and upwards, that's a given surely?

Anyway ML said RE needs to believe in himself and when he does that he could do the job, ML believes he can do that now.

RE has not commented publically about this other than what he said last week which is mentioned above.

[redintheface]

RE has not commented publically about this other than what he said last week which is mentioned above.

I am sure this is correct. What Martin Ling said was words to the effect that he thought Ross was more Inclined towards taking the job now than he had been previously.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

I'm sure that they both speak in the background and I'm sure he is being encouraged by ML, saying that though amy boss worth his salt should be encouraging their staff to be better and look forwards and upwards, that's a given surely?

Anyway ML said RE needs to believe in himself and when he does that he could do the job, ML believes he can do that now.

RE has not commented publically about this other than what he said last week which is mentioned above.

Any boss should give their staff the opportunity to better themselves. A given. Ross had that opportunity and was very clear it was not what he wanted and gave a full reasonable explanation why. A boss should respect that decision even if he don’t like it or think it’s wrong.

That should be the end of it for the time being. Maybe to be reviewed in the future.

I don’t believe Ross has, all of a sudden changed his mind. He has been put in this position for one reason only. Ling screwed up. Ross is covering Lings mistake. We know had Ling got it right, Ross would still be number 2.

[PoundhillO]

RE has not commented publically about this other than what he said last week which is mentioned above.

I am sure this is correct. What Martin Ling said was words to the effect that he thought Ross was more Inclined towards taking the job now than he had been previously.

So Lings thoughts override Embleton's wishes.

Ling thought Davis and Fletcher would make good managers, his thoughts are very unreliable.
Until Embleton makes a statement stating that he has changed his previous decision made very recently then I do not trust Lings thoughts or decisions.Time for a statement from the club for clarification, not of thoughts but of actual statements made.

[Disoriented]

The first 3 minutes are spent congratulating themselves.

On what - failure in perpetuity?

[gshaw]

Thanks for your comments, for once you're not having a dig at us and have some constructive comments which are are appreciated.

3 hours seemed like one hour while we were doing it and it's impossible to split that out sadly. Thanks for persevering with it. We think it's worth listening too - you can probably skip the FGR review and the tweets we read to help cut it down a bit.

OK so having heard the second part...

Constructive points to note...

1) ask guests to turn their phones off during an interview, iPhone dings midway through are a rather off-putting

2) don't know if you do the pre-recorded messages usually or that's just a one-off for the 200th show but the Howard Gould's one particularly nearly made me jump out my car seat as it was so loud (you may be quite pleased with that effect )

However Martin Ling got such an easy ride with the Q&A at the end he won't have a nicer one all season even if he takes his next trip to the ground in a chaffeur-driven Bentley

When fans want probing questions about fitness of the players, whether academy pays its way or why we haven't got adequate cover in the squad we hear 5-10 minutes of "get behind the boys / we have faith in you Ross" quotes followed by questions about what advice Ling would give someone in their career. That's why you get called stooges for the club as in comparison the fan Q&A event was no holds barred and much more open and honest for it.

The fact Ling doesn't like the phrase "nasty midfielder" doesn't fill me with any confidence at all. Seems it's definitely back to nice little Leyton Orient thinking again, no wonder we keep getting bullied on the pitch if that's the "culture" being encouraged. If he doesn't think we're in a relegation battle right now after recent results to the sides around us that complacency is also concerning.

[Long slender neck]

No difficult questions asked then?

[SouthStandPete]

Ross has to be thinking if I don't take on the managers job then they will appoint someone else, who will be allowed to bring in their own backroom staff and that means the end for Ross. So basically he has no choice.

[Thor]

No difficult questions asked then?

No tough questions asked at all. It was a good podcast, but like gshaw says they do not challenge the status quo as the access they currently receive would surely be revoked. I get that there needs to be a balance, but in my view the balance tips in favour of the club.

I do listen each week and I do enjoy listening however, the decent questions posed on this board were in all honesty ignored.

[Tom Chance]

Ross has to be thinking if I don't take on the managers job then they will appoint someone else, who will be allowed to bring in their own backroom staff and that means the end for Ross. So basically he has no choice.

Exactly. Choose your own death

[gshaw]

No difficult questions asked then?

Nope, skip to last 20 mins or so and you'll hear for yourself. One point about Clay was about as tough as it got, Martin tells is that he's an athletic player (not this season he ain't) with no further questioning.

If the podcast was just a straight chat with club figures with a few conversation leading prompts you'd say it's reasonably insightful. The piece with Elliot Byrne particularly so, he comes across really well. The implementation of the Q&A is laughable though.

[o-no]

Finally finished it all, good job I have a long commute!

Always interesting hearing what the people running the club have to say, although you don't always get the impression that they understand the view from the inside looking out is not the same as the view from the outside looking in.

In some respects Martin was quite candid, but sadly the boys never asked the obvious follow up questions - Give me an example of where you have empowered someone? What exactly would you do differently in the next selection process? If we recognise that Alabi's 3 goals in 2 seasons so far is inadequate, why do we persist with him? Just how stupid is Myles Judd? OK, maybe not that last one.

I learnt a lot about Eliot's typical day, but nothing about Martin's - apart from he never knows what he is doing one day to the next - which would definitely concern my boss if I said that. It seems to me that after everything that has happened and having just come up, this season has already been written off as a 'season of consolidation' with the added bonus of only one team down, so mentally the pressure seems to be off.

I am worried we are going to drift through this season and be in no better position at the start of the next one.

[SuperO1881]

Ross signed off with what was it, a 5 game unbeaten run, after announcing he would be stepping down. He must have had regrets at that point. He's then seen Fletcher come in and realised if he can give it a go, why can't he?

There is no bullying involved.

This is spot on. Ross has said he wants the job having seen how things went with Carl. People reading so far into things they go off topic.

If this information was contained somewhere more accessible than a 3 hour long podcast, people might be able to interpret the information as it was intended.

I don't even know what you mean by that to be honest. The information is in an audio format available on the Internet and by using this forum you have access to it too

[gshaw]

This is spot on. Ross has said he wants the job having seen how things went with Carl. People reading so far into things they go off topic.

If this information was contained somewhere more accessible than a 3 hour long podcast, people might be able to interpret the information as it was intended.

I don't even know what you mean by that to be honest. The information is in an audio format available on the Internet and by using this forum you have access to it too

I get where he's coming from, to find a particular piece of information you have to try and flick through 3 hours of chat. Not easy to link back to when someone says "where did x say y"

Similar thing with the Q&A session to some extent. Trouble is for those who haven't kept up with all the different mediums club staff appear on direct quotes sound like rumour rather than fact. It's a problem for audio / video comms rather than text and why certain key announcements or messages from senior officials need at least an accompanying article on the club website imo.

[Thor]

I agree elliot came across really well and it would appear we have a good one in him at the club.

I might need to re listen to the Judd part again as I couldn't pay full attention as a teacher wanted access to an area i was working in today (PTA work). Did ML basically slaughter Judd and his professionalism? That's what seemed to come across, but like I say I was not 100% attentive whilst she was around. Can someone confirm for me please if I got it right or not. Thanks

[RedDwarf 1881]

Its a little concerning to hear ML say that Sat was the first time he'd seen our centre midfield overran by Ebou.

Really? What does he watch? Out centre midfield is what's costing us every single game.

Exactly and last Saturday by a player we let slip through our fingers .