Top Eight Budget

[redintheface]

In Saturday’s Q&A session, Martin Ling mentioned that the O’s have a “top eight budget” when compared with other clubs in our Division . I would imagine that the likes of Salford, Swindon, Bradford, Forest Green and Plymouth are also amongst the top eight but are details such as these actually published for comparison purposes?

[Thor]

No they are not

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

It’s a guess.

We should be higher than eighth given our income streams.

[Thor]

The owners did say last year that they asked each club what they're budgets were and our club was able to work out where we stood in that respect. I dare say they have done it again.

[redintheface]

Thanks for enlightening me. Any thoughts on who the magnificent seven might be joining us on that list?

[gshaw]

Can anyone recall if that was a top 8 *playing* budget or overall wage budget? Given even Travis mentioned the size of the academy staffing list that's pretty key to how we compare with others.

If it is just playing budget we must be seriously overpaying as we're so light on squad depth, as shown over past few weeks.

[Thor]

When they talk about these things it's the playing budget that's referred to. Academy tax sits outside of that and is not counted towards any caps etc

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Top 8 budget don’t mean we spent it all yet. I hope.

[tuffers#1]

If it is just playing budget we must be seriously overpaying as we're so light on squad depth, as shown over past few weeks.

Dont forget wages must reflect at least another 20% on top of most other clubs not based in London.

What with its massively over inflated housing costs.

Not all about overpaying for ability.

[eagwgw]

In that bit where Travis talks to Ling about Luton's (£8m) and Millwall's (£15m) budget, I am sure he says ours is £4m..... presumably this would be for all expenses and not just wages.

So looking at the League, Swindon, Plymouth, Bradford are gonna be big by virtue of attendances. Forest Green, Salford on account of owners.
Mansfield I think as well are being bankrolled.

I reckon we'd be in the next group with others like Exeter, Walsall, Crewe. Always remember that Walsall have similar gates to us but had a higher turnover, they had plenty of other income.

I'd imagine that wages are higher here to get players to come, but the flipside is, why not have some more loans in the squad, the number of loan players who could play for us without having to relocate must dwarf that of other teams. Also there would be more people with family ties to the area who would forgo a slight increase in salary to play in London for a stable club, and there might be other players who are homesick at other places.

[eagwgw]

I don't think you'll ever get a correct base to compare, for all the points above.

Not sure that there would be a weighting measure, as there is no real defined premium and much can rely on player choice. For example a player might not need to be based in London, just a commutable distance from the training ground or the M25 (if the Marriott is still used as drop off point). How many other costs of living differ that much? A weekly shop at Tescos here would cost the same as anywhere else, so would petrol and clothes.

Best accuracy you will ever get is a ballpark figure, which is not hard to deduce as there are clubs that definitely spend more than us, and also clubs that definitely spend less.

[spen666]

No they are not

Certainly in the National League (and I would assume in higher leagues) clubs are provided by the league with an anonymized list of budgets for the teams in their division

[Thor]

But this budget is misleading
1 for comparison purposes is it weighted for locality for comparisons
2. Does the budget have to cover agents fees and signing on fees
3. Does the budget take in the costs of non playing staff such as coaches etc
4. What is the definition of the" budget" - how can you compare it if other clubs have different range of costs centres in their definition of a budget
5. Employment on costs such as company cars to staff is that part of the budget
Simply if we going band numbers about like a lottery let's get a correct base to compare

The playing budget is what the club is measured against turnover in respect to ffp. The coaches, the cars, the agents are all counted outside of this.

[Max B Gold]

But this budget is misleading
1 for comparison purposes is it weighted for locality for comparisons
2. Does the budget have to cover agents fees and signing on fees
3. Does the budget take in the costs of non playing staff such as coaches etc
4. What is the definition of the" budget" - how can you compare it if other clubs have different range of costs centres in their definition of a budget
5. Employment on costs such as company cars to staff is that part of the budget
Simply if we going band numbers about like a lottery let's get a correct base to compare

The playing budget is what the club is measured against turnover in respect to ffp. The coaches, the cars, the agents are all counted outside of this.

What about the mobile phones?

[gshaw]

But this budget is misleading
1 for comparison purposes is it weighted for locality for comparisons
2. Does the budget have to cover agents fees and signing on fees
3. Does the budget take in the costs of non playing staff such as coaches etc
4. What is the definition of the" budget" - how can you compare it if other clubs have different range of costs centres in their definition of a budget
5. Employment on costs such as company cars to staff is that part of the budget
Simply if we going band numbers about like a lottery let's get a correct base to compare

The playing budget is what the club is measured against turnover in respect to ffp. The coaches, the cars, the agents are all counted outside of this.

That'd make an interesting test case... have a squad of highly paid "coaches" with two roles. One highly paid coaching gig and the other £100 a week for playing

[Disoriented]

In Saturday’s Q&A session, Martin Ling mentioned that the O’s have a “top eight budget” when compared with other clubs in our Division . I would imagine that the likes of Salford, Swindon, Bradford, Forest Green and Plymouth are also amongst the top eight but are details such as these actually published for comparison purposes?

All being spaffed on the DOF’s wages.