Travis on Talksport

[gshaw]

Can't see this posted elsewhere so please remove if I missed it ..



Can anyone define this unique culture we're meant to have? Sounds more like coach and player power dressed up in a nice wrapping paper

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

A lot of words to say, nicely, he wasn't up to being a manager.

[MassiveForehead]

A lot of words to say, nicely, he wasn't up to being a manager.

Essentially. Good coach - but not management material; which looked obvious from the first interview.

[Red_Army]

From what has been said by various club people, it sounds like Fletcher couldn't or didn't want to get in the thick of the group. Justin was genius at this, and Ross wouldn't have found this a problem as he was internal. It was always going to be difficult for the first outsider, but by the sounds of it he just didn't fit in.

That might not be his failing, maybe the players, and the club more generally need to look at how newcomers are integrated, and maybe even look at changing the culture so that this is possible.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

A lot of words to say, nicely, he wasn't up to being a manager.

That’s not a fair thing to say.

Travis talks about culture and I make him spot on. The type of club we have become is nice to see. Respect, trust, desire to grow, fairness. All good things. But the aspect he was talking about was engaging with his team mates, players, fans (we all talked about this). You need to gel, fit in, be able to chat to people. Being comfortable if you like. The club culture just didn’t fit his personal style. Not saying we are better or worse, just different. Square peg in a round hole.

Travis, Like Ling, has not hidden away but has taken full responsibility for the mistake. We genuinely have a Board to be proud of.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

A lot of words to say, nicely, he wasn't up to being a manager.

That’s not a fair thing to say.

Travis talks about culture and I make him spot on. The type of club we have become is nice to see. Respect, trust, desire to grow, fairness. All good things. But the aspect he was talking about was engaging with his team mates, players, fans (we all talked about this). You need to gel, fit in, be able to chat to people. Being comfortable if you like. The club culture just didn’t fit his personal style. Not saying we are better or worse, just different. Square peg in a round hole.

Travis, Like Ling, has not hidden away but has taken full responsibility for the mistake. We genuinely have a Board to be proud of.

So what is this culture of ours, then?

[banqo]

We're a Culture Club!

[Eat The Rich]

I'm going to do my best to play interpreter and say that Justin was a great communicator, an open and supportive man as well as boss, someone who brought the best out of people by talking to them, finding out about them, taking an interest in them. We tried to replace Justin with an introvert who didn't know anyone here. Fletcher wanted to maybe focus more on the football side and treat the staff as personnel (not necessarily in a belittling way) and it just flattened everyone a bit. It also explains why a change was completely necessary. Because the problem was so identifiable and so obviously not fixable.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

A lot of words to say, nicely, he wasn't up to being a manager.

That’s not a fair thing to say.

Travis talks about culture and I make him spot on. The type of club we have become is nice to see. Respect, trust, desire to grow, fairness. All good things. But the aspect he was talking about was engaging with his team mates, players, fans (we all talked about this). You need to gel, fit in, be able to chat to people. Being comfortable if you like. The club culture just didn’t fit his personal style. Not saying we are better or worse, just different. Square peg in a round hole.

Travis, Like Ling, has not hidden away but has taken full responsibility for the mistake. We genuinely have a Board to be proud of.

So what is this culture of ours, then?

The best way is to google business cultures, you are likely to get a list of, maybe 10, things that contribute to a culture. One being engagement. Or to me, how people work together, interact, get on. This aspect varies vastly in my experience and is one of the cornerstones of the business. Compare Bechetti and Teague. The cultures they inspired could not be further apart.

I’m sure Travis in embarrassed. When I interviewed people their technical qualifications were only part of the process, I had to be comfortable that they could fit in. Not always as easy as it sounds. Getting it wrong happens.

[Westcliffo]

That’s not a fair thing to say.

Travis talks about culture and I make him spot on. The type of club we have become is nice to see. Respect, trust, desire to grow, fairness. All good things. But the aspect he was talking about was engaging with his team mates, players, fans (we all talked about this). You need to gel, fit in, be able to chat to people. Being comfortable if you like. The club culture just didn’t fit his personal style. Not saying we are better or worse, just different. Square peg in a round hole.

Travis, Like Ling, has not hidden away but has taken full responsibility for the mistake. We genuinely have a Board to be proud of.

So what is this culture of ours, then?

The best way is to google business cultures, you are likely to get a list of, maybe 10, things that contribute to a culture. One being engagement. Or to me, how people work together, interact, get on. This aspect varies vastly in my experience and is one of the cornerstones of the business. Compare Bechetti and Teague. The cultures they inspired could not be further apart.

I’m sure Travis in embarrassed. When I interviewed people their technical qualifications were only part of the process, I had to be comfortable that they could fit in. Not always as easy as it sounds. Getting it wrong happens.

Spot on. I have recruited loads of people to management positions over the years and some who looked good at interview, turned out just to be wrong for the service. You have to hold your hands up when that happens. The fact that there is clearly a collective responsibility taken at senior level in the club speaks volumes for a what positive organisation the O's are.

[Pandy]

I would like to know what he did on the training ground that was so good! What you reckon he could balance a tea tray on his head or ride a bike backwards.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

I would like to know what he did on the training ground that was so good! What you reckon he could balance a tea tray on his head or ride a bike backwards.

The club have just sacked the guy. He will be feeling like sh*t. Why stick the knife in deeper and give it a twist. Travis is displaying a little of the culture he talks about. Respect for his feelings.

[redintheface]

I'm going to do my best to play interpreter and say that Justin was a great communicator, an open and supportive man as well as boss, someone who brought the best out of people by talking to them, finding out about them, taking an interest in them. We tried to replace Justin with an introvert who didn't know anyone here. Fletcher wanted to maybe focus more on the football side and treat the staff as personnel (not necessarily in a belittling way) and it just flattened everyone a bit. It also explains why a change was completely necessary. Because the problem was so identifiable and so obviously not fixable.

I think your interpretation is probably on the money. The whole episode does leave me with an uneasy feeling however that there is a bit of a “ closed shop” mentality within the coaching set up and playing staff, eyeing up “ outsiders” suspiciously and not doing very much at all to help them bed in which is aided and abetted by NT’s take on the “ unique” culture of the club?

[PoundhillO]

So long as mistakes are learnt from this diabolical cock up.
The new Manager must be proven and experienced at this level it’s not rocket science, no more cheap options with unproven inexperienced Managers.
There can be no restrictions on applicants applying which may have narrowed the previous selection so badly that all we ended up with was Carl Fletcher as the best of the bunch, again it’s not rocket science.
If anyone currently at the club has to move to a new position or be sacked to accommodate an experienced proven Manager at this level, then so be it.No Individual is greater than our club or its success.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

I'm going to do my best to play interpreter and say that Justin was a great communicator, an open and supportive man as well as boss, someone who brought the best out of people by talking to them, finding out about them, taking an interest in them. We tried to replace Justin with an introvert who didn't know anyone here. Fletcher wanted to maybe focus more on the football side and treat the staff as personnel (not necessarily in a belittling way) and it just flattened everyone a bit. It also explains why a change was completely necessary. Because the problem was so identifiable and so obviously not fixable.

I think your interpretation is probably on the money. The whole episode does leave me with an uneasy feeling however that there is a bit of a “ closed shop” mentality within the coaching set up and playing staff, eyeing up “ outsiders” suspiciously and not doing very much at all to help them bed in which is aided and abetted by NT’s take on the “ unique” culture of the club?

A positive culture is not a closed shop. I’d go so far as to say it’s quite the opposite.

[redintheface]

I'm going to do my best to play interpreter and say that Justin was a great communicator, an open and supportive man as well as boss, someone who brought the best out of people by talking to them, finding out about them, taking an interest in them. We tried to replace Justin with an introvert who didn't know anyone here. Fletcher wanted to maybe focus more on the football side and treat the staff as personnel (not necessarily in a belittling way) and it just flattened everyone a bit. It also explains why a change was completely necessary. Because the problem was so identifiable and so obviously not fixable.

I think your interpretation is probably on the money. The whole episode does leave me with an uneasy feeling however that there is a bit of a “ closed shop” mentality within the coaching set up and playing staff, eyeing up “ outsiders” suspiciously and not doing very much at all to help them bed in which is aided and abetted by NT’s take on the “ unique” culture of the club?

A positive culture is not a closed shop. I’d go so far as to say it’s quite the opposite.

I agree with you. It’s just that I don’t see anything particularly positive about the way it is rumoured that some coaching staff and players appear to acted in this instance and I wonder if the emphasis NT placed in his interview on the “ unique culture” might in some way be being interpreted in some quarters as “they have to fit into our set up because we ain’t going to adapt to theirs” sort of thing? Probably just over thinking it tbh

[Red_Army]

I'm going to do my best to play interpreter and say that Justin was a great communicator, an open and supportive man as well as boss, someone who brought the best out of people by talking to them, finding out about them, taking an interest in them. We tried to replace Justin with an introvert who didn't know anyone here. Fletcher wanted to maybe focus more on the football side and treat the staff as personnel (not necessarily in a belittling way) and it just flattened everyone a bit. It also explains why a change was completely necessary. Because the problem was so identifiable and so obviously not fixable.

I think your interpretation is probably on the money. The whole episode does leave me with an uneasy feeling however that there is a bit of a “ closed shop” mentality within the coaching set up and playing staff, eyeing up “ outsiders” suspiciously and not doing very much at all to help them bed in which is aided and abetted by NT’s take on the “ unique” culture of the club?

I agree and I think this is of potential concern. If the players and staff are not able to work with an outsider, then that is their fault as well. Unfortunately for Fletcher it is a lot easier to get rid of one man, than 25+.

I've said this before, but I believe the squad must be broken up if we are to move forwards.

[Pandy]

I would like to know what he did on the training ground that was so good! What you reckon he could balance a tea tray on his head or ride a bike backwards.

The club have just sacked the guy. He will be feeling like sh*t. Why stick the knife in deeper and give it a twist. Travis is displaying a little of the culture he talks about. Respect for his feelings.

I'm sure he's walking away with a bag of cash and it was a joint decision so I doubt he's feeling sh*t.

[Max B Gold]

I think your interpretation is probably on the money. The whole episode does leave me with an uneasy feeling however that there is a bit of a “ closed shop” mentality within the coaching set up and playing staff, eyeing up “ outsiders” suspiciously and not doing very much at all to help them bed in which is aided and abetted by NT’s take on the “ unique” culture of the club?

A positive culture is not a closed shop. I’d go so far as to say it’s quite the opposite.

I agree with you. It’s just that I don’t see anything particularly positive about the way it is rumoured that some coaching staff and players appear to acted in this instance and I wonder if the emphasis NT placed in his interview on the “ unique culture” might in some way be being interpreted in some quarters as “they have to fit into our set up because we ain’t going to adapt to theirs” sort of thing? Probably just over thinking it tbh

To state that we are a unique culture assumes that there is a mass culture and suggests elitism. There isnt. It's a myth

[Eat The Rich]

Its not about players and staff making a manager unwelcome. Its a manager's job to get the best out of the players and it seems that JE got the best out of them because he understood that this group needed to have a father figure, someone who they could bond with, someone who took a lot of the pressure off of them. Someone who didn't tell them how he wanted them to play regardless of their feelings on the subject. Carl Fletcher didn't seem to understand that. He came in and just tried to have them train the way he wanted and play the way he wanted without taking anyone with him. Without JE's grasp of players' desires and insecurities Fletcher just expected people to get on board. That's bad management not obstructive staff.

[Eat The Rich]

I would like to know what he did on the training ground that was so good! What you reckon he could balance a tea tray on his head or ride a bike backwards.

The club have just sacked the guy. He will be feeling like sh*t. Why stick the knife in deeper and give it a twist. Travis is displaying a little of the culture he talks about. Respect for his feelings.

I'm sure he's walking away with a bag of cash and it was a joint decision so I doubt he's feeling sh*t.

Actually I suspect that he is feeling sh*t. His pay-off will no doubt not be substantial given the speed with which he was removed (under a month - which I don't think is insignificant). Worse than that is that his chances of getting another management job have just fallen off a cliff. He's probably sitting at home wondering how his dream of being a successful manager has gone so wrong. He's probably asking himself some pretty tough questions and probably wondering what he does next and if he'll ever get an opportunity like this one again.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Its not about players and staff making a manager unwelcome. Its a manager's job to get the best out of the players and it seems that JE got the best out of them because he understood that this group needed to have a father figure, someone who they could bond with, someone who took a lot of the pressure off of them. Someone who didn't tell them how he wanted them to play regardless of their feelings on the subject. Carl Fletcher didn't seem to understand that. He came in and just tried to have them train the way he wanted and play the way he wanted without taking anyone with him. Without JE's grasp of players' desires and insecurities Fletcher just expected people to get on board. That's bad management not obstructive staff.

I think you're making up stuff. There's no grounds for most of what you've written there with regards to either man.

Justin was simply a really likable, charismatic but strong bloke. Fletcher wasn't.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

The club have just sacked the guy. He will be feeling like sh*t. Why stick the knife in deeper and give it a twist. Travis is displaying a little of the culture he talks about. Respect for his feelings.

I'm sure he's walking away with a bag of cash and it was a joint decision so I doubt he's feeling sh*t.

Actually I suspect that he is feeling sh*t. His pay-off will no doubt not be substantial given the speed with which he was removed (under a month - which I don't think is insignificant). Worse than that is that his chances of getting another management job have just fallen off a cliff. He's probably sitting at home wondering how his dream of being a successful manager has gone so wrong. He's probably asking himself some pretty tough questions and probably wondering what he does next and if he'll ever get an opportunity like this one again.

Bet he is feeling sh*t too. His career has taken a battering. Wonder if he can get his old job back at Bournemouth.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

I'm sure he's walking away with a bag of cash and it was a joint decision so I doubt he's feeling sh*t.

Actually I suspect that he is feeling sh*t. His pay-off will no doubt not be substantial given the speed with which he was removed (under a month - which I don't think is insignificant). Worse than that is that his chances of getting another management job have just fallen off a cliff. He's probably sitting at home wondering how his dream of being a successful manager has gone so wrong. He's probably asking himself some pretty tough questions and probably wondering what he does next and if he'll ever get an opportunity like this one again.

Bet he is feeling sh*t too. His career has taken a battering. Wonder if he can get his old job back at Bournemouth.

Would they even want him back?

[sopranO]

Unless there's someone on here who is an actual member of the coaching staff,none of us will have any idea what Nigel Travis means when he refers to our 'unique culture'.
My concern is that if the people who are responsible for Carl Fletcher's appointment didn't see that he wasn't the right fit for this culture,how can we be confident that they won't make the same mistake again?