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Re: Why give it to Ross?

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RedO wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:20 pm Can’t believe having seen what we have these last few weeks, people are now suggesting Webb is given a go.

What we need is a proper manager.
I think it’s more to do with what Fletcher offers that Webb don’t. If you are going to take a punt on someone with little experience then why not Webb.

Not too sure many want Webb over an experienced manager
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Re: Why give it to Ross?

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POSHO wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:31 pm I think the whole club has become 'incestuous' and I don't think that any other management team can succeed here
I know what you mean but its not incestuous; its more like a family or closed shop. Its been bonded together by a combination of success and grief at JE's loss and its going to be hard for a year or two yet to break that.
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Re: Why give it to Ross?

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BiggsyMalone wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:49 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:18 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:13 pm
Wrong. They thought they made the right decision but it was made with emotion rather than emotion and pragmatism.
Wrong .
They put someone in charge to oversee the transition of the club after the death of JE .
They used the word " Interim " ,
To allow a person the opportunity to grow into a role slowly.

Unfortunately , the Hatred & Bitterness awoken by the Italian Circus in some fans gave them a belief that there voice was important all if the time over every matter at the club.

B*ll*cks it is .

Get back to going once or twice a week & screaming your nuts off to follow the club .

Put your life crisis misery away & become a Football fan again . Honestly you desrve it , youve had a coupke of tough years following the O's.
So give it to the man that has managed the club before rather than the man who never wanted to manage and that has formed a bond of friendship and trust with the players, it then forces that relationship to change.
Webb is no 3. He will be even more of a ‘mate’ than the number 2.

You’re not talking sense mate.

Let Ross hold the post for a week or two and get a proper manager in.
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Re: Why give it to Ross?

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tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:18 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:13 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:10 pm

Of course it wont change your point.
However your point is incorrect.
Wrong. They thought they made the right decision but it was made with emotion rather than emotion and pragmatism.
Wrong .
They put someone in charge to oversee the transition of the club after the death of JE .
They used the word " Interim " ,
To allow a person the opportunity to grow into a role slowly.

Unfortunately , the Hatred & Bitterness awoken by the Italian Circus in some fans gave them a belief that there voice was important all if the time over every matter at the club.

B*ll*cks it is .

Get back to going once or twice a week & screaming your nuts off to follow the club .

Put your life crisis misery away & become a Football fan again . Honestly you desrve it , youve had a coupke of tough years following the O's.
A person unsuitable for the role, who couldn't handle the step up.

That Swindon game was the most pathetic collapse I've watched Orient do (didn't see Maldon so there's a battle on that one for which is worse). As a football fan you want to side a decent game and watch your side give it their best shot. At times this season that's definitely not been the case, under both Embleton and Fletcher.

That said as said fan L2 quality football has been a far better watch than NL even when we've been battered by the likes of Swindon, rather than kicked out of a game.

Fans ultimately are the ones who are the difference between playing a game in silence and having a club that means something so their voice does matter.

After seeing all that work gone into getting back into the league we have to fight to earn the right to stay there. The complacency some seem to display that we can do that by default is astounding. Don't think the club has given L2 the respect it deserves and been caught out as a result, leading to the CF appointment which was a gamble that's backfired massively.

What you're asking for is not fans but supporters. There's a difference. Supporters will buy an Orient badged turd if it came up for sale whereas fans will criticise when things are poor as much as they'll applaud when they go well. Some can't seem to accept that as a valid way to follow the club though.
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Re: Why give it to Ross?

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gshaw wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:47 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:18 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:13 pm
Wrong. They thought they made the right decision but it was made with emotion rather than emotion and pragmatism.
Wrong .
They put someone in charge to oversee the transition of the club after the death of JE .
They used the word " Interim " ,
To allow a person the opportunity to grow into a role slowly.

Unfortunately , the Hatred & Bitterness awoken by the Italian Circus in some fans gave them a belief that there voice was important all if the time over every matter at the club.

B*ll*cks it is .

Get back to going once or twice a week & screaming your nuts off to follow the club .

Put your life crisis misery away & become a Football fan again . Honestly you desrve it , youve had a coupke of tough years following the O's.
A person unsuitable for the role, who couldn't handle the step up.

That Swindon game was the most pathetic collapse I've watched Orient do (didn't see Maldon so there's a battle on that one for which is worse). As a football fan you want to side a decent game and watch your side give it their best shot. At times this season that's definitely not been the case, under both Embleton and Fletcher.

That said as said fan L2 quality football has been a far better watch than NL even when we've been battered by the likes of Swindon, rather than kicked out of a game.

Fans ultimately are the ones who are the difference between playing a game in silence and having a club that means something so their voice does matter.

After seeing all that work gone into getting back into the league we have to fight to earn the right to stay there. The complacency some seem to display that we can do that by default is astounding. Don't think the club has given L2 the respect it deserves and been caught out as a result, leading to the CF appointment which was a gamble that's backfired massively.

What you're asking for is not fans but supporters. There's a difference. Supporters will buy an Orient badged turd if it came up for sale whereas fans will criticise when things are poor as much as they'll applaud when they go well. Some can't seem to accept that as a valid way to follow the club though.
Seriously ?
Swindon was the most pathetic collapse youve
ever seen ?

Yeovil put 5 past us not so long back at home
Plenty of thumpings over the years .

Teaches you how to be an O's fan

You endure the monotony for moments like
The final whistle at braintree , or the home play off semi final with the posh or tehoue against the arse to mention a few .

If you cry over Swindon then you have an awful lot to learn
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Re: Why give it to Ross?

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A lot of people seem to have forgotten how bad we were for the bulk of the games under Embleton’s charge. Macclesfield away? Swindon at home, where we could have lost by 6? Ross wasn’t up to the job and realised it, and bravely stood down. Once the pressure was off he did much better, but who’s to say that won’t happen again now?

The problem is going to the same, in that whoever comes in is going to have to work with Ross, Danny and Jobi. Fletcher couldn’t work like that apparently, so who else can? We really need an good experienced manager now, and they almost always want to bring their own backroom team with them. Something is going to have to give, I’m afraid. We can’t afford to be sentimental again, because I can see the same thing happening again. It may mean that the current backroom 3 have to move on, if we are to get anywhere.
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Re: Why give it to Ross?

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RedO wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:38 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:49 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:18 pm

Wrong .
They put someone in charge to oversee the transition of the club after the death of JE .
They used the word " Interim " ,
To allow a person the opportunity to grow into a role slowly.

Unfortunately , the Hatred & Bitterness awoken by the Italian Circus in some fans gave them a belief that there voice was important all if the time over every matter at the club.

B*ll*cks it is .

Get back to going once or twice a week & screaming your nuts off to follow the club .

Put your life crisis misery away & become a Football fan again . Honestly you desrve it , youve had a coupke of tough years following the O's.
So give it to the man that has managed the club before rather than the man who never wanted to manage and that has formed a bond of friendship and trust with the players, it then forces that relationship to change.
Webb is no 3. He will be even more of a ‘mate’ than the number 2.

You’re not talking sense mate.

Let Ross hold the post for a week or two and get a proper manager in.
Webb is first team coach, Ross is assistant manager. Ross is who the players go to.
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Re: Why give it to Ross?

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Oh right.
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Re: Why give it to Ross?

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tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:57 pm
gshaw wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:47 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:18 pm

Wrong .
They put someone in charge to oversee the transition of the club after the death of JE .
They used the word " Interim " ,
To allow a person the opportunity to grow into a role slowly.

Unfortunately , the Hatred & Bitterness awoken by the Italian Circus in some fans gave them a belief that there voice was important all if the time over every matter at the club.

B*ll*cks it is .

Get back to going once or twice a week & screaming your nuts off to follow the club .

Put your life crisis misery away & become a Football fan again . Honestly you desrve it , youve had a coupke of tough years following the O's.
A person unsuitable for the role, who couldn't handle the step up.

That Swindon game was the most pathetic collapse I've watched Orient do (didn't see Maldon so there's a battle on that one for which is worse). As a football fan you want to side a decent game and watch your side give it their best shot. At times this season that's definitely not been the case, under both Embleton and Fletcher.

That said as said fan L2 quality football has been a far better watch than NL even when we've been battered by the likes of Swindon, rather than kicked out of a game.

Fans ultimately are the ones who are the difference between playing a game in silence and having a club that means something so their voice does matter.

After seeing all that work gone into getting back into the league we have to fight to earn the right to stay there. The complacency some seem to display that we can do that by default is astounding. Don't think the club has given L2 the respect it deserves and been caught out as a result, leading to the CF appointment which was a gamble that's backfired massively.

What you're asking for is not fans but supporters. There's a difference. Supporters will buy an Orient badged turd if it came up for sale whereas fans will criticise when things are poor as much as they'll applaud when they go well. Some can't seem to accept that as a valid way to follow the club though.
Seriously ?
Swindon was the most pathetic collapse youve
ever seen ?

Yeovil put 5 past us not so long back at home
Plenty of thumpings over the years .

Teaches you how to be an O's fan

You endure the monotony for moments like
The final whistle at braintree , or the home play off semi final with the posh or tehoue against the arse to mention a few .

If you cry over Swindon then you have an awful lot to learn
I watched that game. They were crap that day for sure, tactically clueless and bereft of quality.

I watched our youth team trying to outplay wily old pros in the dark Beelzebub days but was bursting with pride at the end of the game at their fearless approach and giving their all despite being out of their depth physically. That showed guts regardless of the end result.

Swindon however was different. The whole approach, tactics and body language of the players was set from the first minute to say "we defer to your superiority, please don't score too many". No belief or even attempt to try and win that game. Utterly pathetic. You'd think we were playing Barcelona that day not a fellow L2 side. If the team doesn't even go out and have a go what's the point?

Sounds like Maldon may have topped it by not even trying against a bunch of part-timers but I made the wise choice to go to a Remembrance Day service instead. Time much better spent.
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You derived all that from Swindon & watching 16 year olds getting ripped a new one.

Hope you enjoyed the remeberance day experience
If that's possible to do.
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tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:39 pm You derived all that from Swindon & watching 16 year olds getting ripped a new one.

Hope you enjoyed the remeberance day experience
If that's possible to do.
It was great to see the turnout of people paying their respects and moving to hear the guy from British Legion as he read out the pre-silence words. It's about respect and remembering ordinary people who had to go through unimaginable horrors, that's more important than a game of football.
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