f*cking disgraceful

[Chicken Dhansak]

Ling said about three million words in that interview, yet actually said absolutely nothing. He wasn't to upset that Fletcher failed
at Plymouth because the club was going through a hard time. Blimey, if that's the criteria the I suggest we all go back to our
homes and prepare for relegation.

[tuffers#1]

Dean Smith was assistant Manager at Leyton Orient for four years. Also he was head of Youth at Walsall before getting the caretaker, then manager Job at Walsall, in effect an internal promotion within a club he knew well, players and Board and with decent experience as an assistant.

Martin Ling has been a player at Leyton Orient for four years, under Barry Hearn and became caretaker manager, then Manager under Hearn. Hardly taking on an unknown quantity, Ling knew the club very well and probably Hearn too.

I’m struggling to see the similarities between the chances they got and that of Fletcher as per the Ling interview Sorry it his comments just don’t stack up. More like you make your choice and then fit everything around it.

The process Lings talks of is just that, a process. Whilst that remains the same what can change is the criteria for the job used within the process

Ling only got the Job full time because we picked up points quickly .

Mike Phelan was reserves coach, 1st team coach/ asst manager under Sir Alex Ferguson
From 1999-2013
Yet His record at Hull as a Manager was abysmal.

Pl W D L %
24 6 5 13 25.0.

So Dean Smith regardless of Experience was a Risk.

[Thor]

No porter said they will not be selecting or recruiting someone who has been at other multiple clubs. Justin had multiple clubs on his cv so I'm guessing he would not qualify now due to this new way of doing things.

Wow, that is astounding if true, majority of managers up and down the leagues, would have multiple clubs on their CV's! Football wise, I am starting to wonder about our board of directors. Don't get me wrong, I am still grateful for T&T saving the club, but I would, like the majority of us, I guess, see us continue to make progress on the Football side. Sort of understand how we ended up with someone like Fletcher, then. Just out of interest, I wonder what figure they determined as multiple!

Its like Thor has now become

" The Sun " ..

If its in " The Sun " it must be true.

Mate porter said it quite clearly with his own mouth on the podcast, there are people who have posted above who are unaware that he said it, those comments bring light as to why Fletch was chosen. I’m not lying, I’m not stirring the comments are facts as spoken by porter. Unless of course you’re calling him a liar?

[Osal]

Hi Thor
That was not probably aimed at me, I possibly should not have said if true, possibly the wrong choice of words.
However, I still find it astounding and obviously the reason we have ended up with someone like Fletcher ..... madness, in my opinion.

[Osal]

I guess under our new appointment strategy, that rules out Jose Mourinho, then.
On a serious note, it severely limits the number of contenders that would meet that criteria. I have been following football for in excess of 60 years and supported the O's all of that time and in my memory, with obviously a few exceptions, in general Managers/Head Coaches, have always had multiple clubs on their CV's, as that is the nature of the profession ..... again, I use that word, madness!

[Thor]

It is indeed madness. Just think under this criteria and you go back further than me, Bloomfield would not have been appointed and he was my favourite manger in my time supporting the club and the person who has come closest to him in my option was Justin. He also would not have been appointed as he’d had several roles already and yet here we stand with Justin being a club legend and someone I believe would have taken us up he next two levels as well and back to the championship.

[RedDwarf 1881]

Hi Thor
That was not probably aimed at me, I possibly should not have said if true, possibly the wrong choice of words.
However, I still find it astounding and obviously the reason we have ended up with someone like Fletcher ..... madness, in my opinion.

It's utter nuts . That policy would mean we would never had got JE . What a stupid way of thinking . IMO, at this moment in time the club was crying out for somebody like Russell Slade . Obviously , this bullshit policy ruled him out from the Start. Oh well , I suppose we'll have go wait until we're right in the sh*t and fighting relegation before we try and get him back to save us like he did last time .

[Osal]

Well that would obviously have been nice. It has always been my dream to see us back in the Championship (old second division), where it all began for me. I was absolutely gutted when on that night in 1974, we failed to beat Aston Villa, to go back to the old First Division (Premiership), but that was surpassed when Russel Slade failed to get us over the line in 2014. At that point, I saw my dream disappearing for ever! Then along came Justin and he instilled hope once again that there was a chance, just a chance that I might realise my dream. I feel now, that is once again a forlorn hope, unfortunately. I guess on the plus side, never say never.

[RedDwarf 1881]

Well that would obviously have been nice. It has always been my dream to see us back in the Championship (old second division), where it all began for me. I was absolutely gutted when on that night in 1974, we failed to beat Aston Villa, to go back to the old First Division (Premiership), but that was surpassed when Russel Slade failed to get us over the line in 2014. At that point, I saw my dream disappearing for ever! Then along came Justin and he instilled hope once again that there was a chance, just a chance that I might realise my dream. I feel now, that is once again a forlorn hope, unfortunately. I guess on the plus side, never say never.

Mistakes can always be corrected if action is taken in good time. I'm still hoping we'll end up with the type of manager we actually need before it's too late .

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Dean Smith was assistant Manager at Leyton Orient for four years. Also he was head of Youth at Walsall before getting the caretaker, then manager Job at Walsall, in effect an internal promotion within a club he knew well, players and Board and with decent experience as an assistant.

Martin Ling has been a player at Leyton Orient for four years, under Barry Hearn and became caretaker manager, then Manager under Hearn. Hardly taking on an unknown quantity, Ling knew the club very well and probably Hearn too.

I’m struggling to see the similarities between the chances they got and that of Fletcher as per the Ling interview Sorry it his comments just don’t stack up. More like you make your choice and then fit everything around it.

The process Lings talks of is just that, a process. Whilst that remains the same what can change is the criteria for the job used within the process

Ling only got the Job full time because we picked up points quickly .

Mike Phelan was reserves coach, 1st team coach/ asst manager under Sir Alex Ferguson
From 1999-2013
Yet His record at Hull as a Manager was abysmal.

Pl W D L %
24 6 5 13 25.0.

So Dean Smith regardless of Experience was a Risk.

Any managerial appointment is a risk. In fact any appointment anywhere carries a risk. But there are things you can do to reduce risk. Fletcher by any stretch is up there as a big one. Dean Smith and Ling were of course risks, my point being lesser ones. Dean Smith by some margin. Poor example by Ling. Bolox.

A risk that has thus far produced absolute poo poo, not even the new manager bounce, and the worst result in my living memory.

But Saturday is a new day and a new weekly opportunity to demonstrate Fletcher’s catastrophic start is just a blip. Hell even Campbell got a win with that basket case Southend. So onwards and upwards. Fletcher cannot afford another balls up. So I expect a decent win against a struggling team with a massive injury crisis. How can we lose.

[Red_Army]

Having now listened to it a few times, he’s put in a little cop out clause about no magic wand for getting it right.

Very Naive in places. Due diligence, chatting to people who have f*** all idea whether he could be a successful league manager. But he’s a nice guy who wants the job. That’s OK then.

Nigel talking to their Board. They will have f*** all idea too. That chat probably about any compensation issues

Covered the Dean Smith/Martin Ling chances already. Totally different and not relevant at all.

Ticking all the boxes, depends on what you deem is top, totally flexible. Totally fixable.

Leader, so his L1/L2 competition we’re not after 200 odd games experience

Like that he failed. I bet the other candidates had too at some point

Dealing with a skint club. Limited money is par for the course Mostly In L1/L2

The more I see this interview the it seems to be smoke and mirrors. Beginning to think people are right, he was cheap, desperate and willing to fit into any structure going. And won’t be a difficult guy for Ling to deal with.

But he is here to stay short of absolutely f*cking it up. The club will ride out the storm in the hope he finally gets a few decent results, when they will say, Told you so. We’re in for a rocky ride

If you don't understand what he is referring to when he talks about how he and Smith started in management then that is your problem, not his.

Do you not think it is a good idea to talk to people that know the candidate before appointing him?

[tuffers#1]

Well that would obviously have been nice. It has always been my dream to see us back in the Championship (old second division), where it all began for me. I was absolutely gutted when on that night in 1974, we failed to beat Aston Villa, to go back to the old First Division (Premiership), but that was surpassed when Russel Slade failed to get us over the line in 2014. At that point, I saw my dream disappearing for ever! Then along came Justin and he instilled hope once again that there was a chance, just a chance that I might realise my dream. I feel now, that is once again a forlorn hope, unfortunately. I guess on the plus side, never say never.

Mistakes can always be corrected if action is taken in good time. I'm still hoping we'll end up with the type of manager we actually need before it's too late .

So you are saying Fletch will change & put it all right & we'll gain promotion .

Very confident of you, I like your thought process.

[Lucky7]

It’s quite apt that the f*cking disgraceful thread has pound shop red dwarf and a few more of the usual bleaters partaking there’s a beautiful irony to it

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Having now listened to it a few times, he’s put in a little cop out clause about no magic wand for getting it right.

Very Naive in places. Due diligence, chatting to people who have f*** all idea whether he could be a successful league manager. But he’s a nice guy who wants the job. That’s OK then.

Nigel talking to their Board. They will have f*** all idea too. That chat probably about any compensation issues

Covered the Dean Smith/Martin Ling chances already. Totally different and not relevant at all.

Ticking all the boxes, depends on what you deem is top, totally flexible. Totally fixable.

Leader, so his L1/L2 competition we’re not after 200 odd games experience

Like that he failed. I bet the other candidates had too at some point

Dealing with a skint club. Limited money is par for the course Mostly In L1/L2

The more I see this interview the it seems to be smoke and mirrors. Beginning to think people are right, he was cheap, desperate and willing to fit into any structure going. And won’t be a difficult guy for Ling to deal with.

But he is here to stay short of absolutely f*cking it up. The club will ride out the storm in the hope he finally gets a few decent results, when they will say, Told you so. We’re in for a rocky ride

If you don't understand what he is referring to when he talks about how he and Smith started in management then that is your problem, not his.

Do you not think it is a good idea to talk to people that know the candidate before appointing him?

I understand all managers start somewhere by someone taking a chance, of course, but the example he gives is so dissimilar to his appointment of Fletcher it’s not really relevant.

Of course talking to people is appropriate and common when making senior appointments, did it myself. But what I can tell you for an absolute certainty is that you take such opinion with caution. He used it to ascertain the type of man he is, great, he is a nice guy and people like him. but none can really offer any genuine opinions on his ability to be a L2 manager, because they don’t know and can’t know. Character references not ability references.

Bottom line is he has taken on a guy who he gets on with and is considered a decent guy by previous colleagues. I have no issue with that, they have to work together and I doubt Ling wants conflict, either with him or the back room staff. It matters. He believes being a nice, flexible guy, is more important than employing an experienced L1/L2 Manager. Probably cheaper too, though loss of Cup revenue and hit that.

I want Fletcher to be a great manager. I would love for Ling in 12 months to gloat. Wonderful. I don’t want to watch the Shiite of recent performances every week, the embarrassment of it, with an eye on the bottom of the table.

He can start Saturday by getting a win over a struggling team with massive injury issues. Another great chance to show us what he can do. No more excuses about travel, fatigue, time with the team. I.ll settle for 90 minutes like the first 45 against Carlisle and 3 points. Repairing the damage.

[Red_Army]

Having now listened to it a few times, he’s put in a little cop out clause about no magic wand for getting it right.

Very Naive in places. Due diligence, chatting to people who have f*** all idea whether he could be a successful league manager. But he’s a nice guy who wants the job. That’s OK then.

Nigel talking to their Board. They will have f*** all idea too. That chat probably about any compensation issues

Covered the Dean Smith/Martin Ling chances already. Totally different and not relevant at all.

Ticking all the boxes, depends on what you deem is top, totally flexible. Totally fixable.

Leader, so his L1/L2 competition we’re not after 200 odd games experience

Like that he failed. I bet the other candidates had too at some point

Dealing with a skint club. Limited money is par for the course Mostly In L1/L2

The more I see this interview the it seems to be smoke and mirrors. Beginning to think people are right, he was cheap, desperate and willing to fit into any structure going. And won’t be a difficult guy for Ling to deal with.

But he is here to stay short of absolutely f*cking it up. The club will ride out the storm in the hope he finally gets a few decent results, when they will say, Told you so. We’re in for a rocky ride

If you don't understand what he is referring to when he talks about how he and Smith started in management then that is your problem, not his.

Do you not think it is a good idea to talk to people that know the candidate before appointing him?

I understand all managers start somewhere by someone taking a chance, of course, but the example he gives is so dissimilar to his appointment of Fletcher it’s not really relevant.

Of course talking to people is appropriate and common when making senior appointments, did it myself. But what I can tell you for an absolute certainty is that you take such opinion with caution. He used it to ascertain the type of man he is, great, he is a nice guy and people like him. but none can really offer any genuine opinions on his ability to be a L2 manager, because they don’t know and can’t know. Character references not ability references.

Bottom line is he has taken on a guy who he gets on with and is considered a decent guy by previous colleagues. I have no issue with that, they have to work together and I doubt Ling wants conflict, either with him or the back room staff. It matters. He believes being a nice, flexible guy, is more important than employing an experienced L1/L2 Manager. Probably cheaper too, though loss of Cup revenue and hit that.

I want Fletcher to be a great manager. I would love for Ling in 12 months to gloat. Wonderful. I don’t want to watch the Shiite of recent performances every week, the embarrassment of it, with an eye on the bottom of the table.

He can start Saturday by getting a win over a struggling team with massive injury issues. Another great chance to show us what he can do. No more excuses about travel, fatigue, time with the team. I.ll settle for 90 minutes like the first 45 against Carlisle and 3 points. Repairing the damage.

But he saying his appointment was similar to his or Smith's, he was saying that young managers need a chance.

All those words just to say that.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

If you don't understand what he is referring to when he talks about how he and Smith started in management then that is your problem, not his.

Do you not think it is a good idea to talk to people that know the candidate before appointing him?

I understand all managers start somewhere by someone taking a chance, of course, but the example he gives is so dissimilar to his appointment of Fletcher it’s not really relevant.

Of course talking to people is appropriate and common when making senior appointments, did it myself. But what I can tell you for an absolute certainty is that you take such opinion with caution. He used it to ascertain the type of man he is, great, he is a nice guy and people like him. but none can really offer any genuine opinions on his ability to be a L2 manager, because they don’t know and can’t know. Character references not ability references.

Bottom line is he has taken on a guy who he gets on with and is considered a decent guy by previous colleagues. I have no issue with that, they have to work together and I doubt Ling wants conflict, either with him or the back room staff. It matters. He believes being a nice, flexible guy, is more important than employing an experienced L1/L2 Manager. Probably cheaper too, though loss of Cup revenue and hit that.

I want Fletcher to be a great manager. I would love for Ling in 12 months to gloat. Wonderful. I don’t want to watch the Shiite of recent performances every week, the embarrassment of it, with an eye on the bottom of the table.

He can start Saturday by getting a win over a struggling team with massive injury issues. Another great chance to show us what he can do. No more excuses about travel, fatigue, time with the team. I.ll settle for 90 minutes like the first 45 against Carlisle and 3 points. Repairing the damage.

But he saying his appointment was similar to his or Smith's, he was saying that young managers need a chance.

All those words just to say that.

Water under the bridge now.

But if Ling ever watches that again he will be hugely embarrassed. And rightly so. Naive in the extreme.

[redintheface]

I understand all managers start somewhere by someone taking a chance, of course, but the example he gives is so dissimilar to his appointment of Fletcher it’s not really relevant.

Of course talking to people is appropriate and common when making senior appointments, did it myself. But what I can tell you for an absolute certainty is that you take such opinion with caution. He used it to ascertain the type of man he is, great, he is a nice guy and people like him. but none can really offer any genuine opinions on his ability to be a L2 manager, because they don’t know and can’t know. Character references not ability references.

Bottom line is he has taken on a guy who he gets on with and is considered a decent guy by previous colleagues. I have no issue with that, they have to work together and I doubt Ling wants conflict, either with him or the back room staff. It matters. He believes being a nice, flexible guy, is more important than employing an experienced L1/L2 Manager. Probably cheaper too, though loss of Cup revenue and hit that.

I want Fletcher to be a great manager. I would love for Ling in 12 months to gloat. Wonderful. I don’t want to watch the Shiite of recent performances every week, the embarrassment of it, with an eye on the bottom of the table.

He can start Saturday by getting a win over a struggling team with massive injury issues. Another great chance to show us what he can do. No more excuses about travel, fatigue, time with the team. I.ll settle for 90 minutes like the first 45 against Carlisle and 3 points. Repairing the damage.

But he saying his appointment was similar to his or Smith's, he was saying that young managers need a chance.

All those words just to say that.

Water under the bridge now.

But if Ling ever watches that again he will be hugely embarrassed. And rightly so. Naive in the extreme.

Not only naive but horribly, horribly wrong! How much of this shambles can be laid at Ling’s door and how much was caused by the equally naive and restrictive dictates of the Board around preserving the existing back room staff at all costs and not going for experience when it was desperately needed I don’t know. Whatever the case “ the process” and the conditions applied to it need to be revised ASAP!

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

I understand the principle of giving a young man a shot, despite limited experience, though I don’t feel this is right for us just now. I also understand the board wanting to be loyal to the existing staff.

what I don’t understand is why Danny Webb has not got his shot. He ticks a lot of boxes including working within the current set up, knowing the players. Managerial experience under very difficult conditions. Sure I prefer an experienced guy right now but if we are to take a punt then why not Webb. Unless of course he is not interested.