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BiggsyMalone wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:26 pm Another 3 week long process or will they get the begging bowl out and go back to the 40 applicants?

It’s 39 you numb nut
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BiggsyMalone wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:30 pm
Eat The Rich wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:28 pm
North Stand Dave wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:22 pm Ling should follow him out the door.
40 applicants, he recommends him as best of the bunch??
He has to be accountable for making our club look a total embarrassment.
Back to the Benshitti days.
LING OUT
Nah. As stated a hundred times before Ling wittles down the pile of applications to the top three based on the criteria laid out by messrs Travis and Teague. They were at liberty to peruse the other applications at any point. The final three candidates were all interviewed by T&T and they plumped for Fletcher. This can't be laid solely at Ling's door. They all have to take the blame.
Ling has a history of poor choices. T&T put their trust in him for all footballing matters.

Yeah JE what a total disaster eh
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Lucky7 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:31 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:26 pm Another 3 week long process or will they get the begging bowl out and go back to the 40 applicants?

It’s 39 you numb nut
Firstly, I doubt it was bang on 40 candidates and I wouldn’t put it past Ling to offer the job to Fletcher again
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The Big Shot wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:30 pm You could tell something was badly wrong after the Morecambe game, on Sunday the players didn't seem to give a sh*t - Which is something I never thought I'd see from this team, many of them worked so hard last season to win us the league.

We all knew this would be a gamble and its not paid off - At least our board have held their hands up and have accepted they made a mistake.

I like what Martin Ling has done so far since he came back, but he is now under some pressure to sort this out.

The players need to take a long hard look at themselves for sure. Quitting on a manager like that just isn't on.
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I was really hoping that the 'new manager bounce' would finally materialise this Saturday, but will now have to wait for the next appointment :(
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Biggles byways poundshop And Red Bore should apply I mean they are far superior than any of the pending applicants
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Lucky7 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:31 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:30 pm
Eat The Rich wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:28 pm

Nah. As stated a hundred times before Ling wittles down the pile of applications to the top three based on the criteria laid out by messrs Travis and Teague. They were at liberty to peruse the other applications at any point. The final three candidates were all interviewed by T&T and they plumped for Fletcher. This can't be laid solely at Ling's door. They all have to take the blame.
Ling has a history of poor choices. T&T put their trust in him for all footballing matters.

Yeah JE what a total disaster eh
Davis, Embleton and Fletcher. Then there’s the players he’s signed and not signed
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Thank goodness for that. Even from the outside you could see something was very wrong. Ok, keep Ross, Danny and Jobi in charge. IMO, if the club wants to stay in house, offer the job to Danny Webb. Like I mentioned before, I thought he done a good job managing us before while having to also deal with Beelzebub’s upstairs circus . If they want a proper experienced old head who knows the club inside out and the back room staff, bring back Russell Slade. Players would respect him from day one and I think us supporters still regard him with affection
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Lucky7 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:35 pm Biggles byways poundshop And Red Bore should apply I mean they are far superior than any of the pending applicants
I will be
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BiggsyMalone wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:36 pm
Lucky7 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:31 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:30 pm
Ling has a history of poor choices. T&T put their trust in him for all footballing matters.

Yeah JE what a total disaster eh
Davis, Embleton and Fletcher. Then there’s the players he’s signed and not signed
So it will be Embleton on Saturday that must choke you Biggles
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I'm sad for him, so to speak, but for the club it is going to be a good thing, d'ya know what I mean.

Always the wrong man at the right time. Don't really want to be the man who replaced the man - you want to be the man who replaces the failure. Let's hope the next choice is a good one, although based on previous experience - we have a right to be nervous.
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Lucky7 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:37 pm
BiggsyMalone wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:36 pm
Lucky7 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:31 pm


Yeah JE what a total disaster eh
Davis, Embleton and Fletcher. Then there’s the players he’s signed and not signed
So it will be Embleton on Saturday that must choke you Biggles
Why would it? He seems like a good bloke.
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What on earth is going on? This must be one of the shortest tenures in O's history. Where do you begin?
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I'm sad for him too. But a managers job is just not for him, and I'm sure he realises this.
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Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:26 pm
Red_Army wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:22 pm Still think that the real issue is that our squad need to be broken up.
Definitely a big issue - far too complacent. The fact other promoted teams were good enough for League Two was a correlation, not causation when you had a squad like ours.

A just as big issue is new deals handed out to the likes of Coulson and Brill which will be albatrosses for the next 18 months. These are definitely on Ling too.
All true, but I think the problem is that the players might be so badly affected by the events of the summer that they can't truly be loyal to a new man, which I guess is understandable.
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Without a shadow of doubt, the correct decision and fair play to the owners, they have acted quickly and accordingly. The next appointment, will be massive and they have to get it right. Hope, this no applicant with multiple clubs on their CV, is ditched, otherwise we could find ourselves going through a few more Head Coach's, before we get it right. Time will tell, I guess.
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UpminsterO wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:38 pm The cost in terms of loss revenue cannot be recovered can it

But hey this failure is collective and it's a total failure for all parties and to some degree the players too. (unless they were just not possible to convert the tactics/instructions for reasons none of us will ever be informed)
I struggle to criticise the players who have served the club so well and despite some poor performances their spirit is hard to criticise. The spirit was there in bucket loads at Northampton and who can criticise a 4-0 away win that followed. Then it all went wrong. Big time. No need to ask why.

Leyton Orient. FA Cup laughing stock. Morecombe mugs,

Time to regroup. I’ll be there Saturday giving Ross and the players my full support. And the Board too for sorting out this mess before any more damage was done.
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You said it was 'bolox' and 'shocking' only a page or two ago.
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Red_Army wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:42 pm
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:26 pm
Red_Army wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:22 pm Still think that the real issue is that our squad need to be broken up.
Definitely a big issue - far too complacent. The fact other promoted teams were good enough for League Two was a correlation, not causation when you had a squad like ours.

A just as big issue is new deals handed out to the likes of Coulson and Brill which will be albatrosses for the next 18 months. These are definitely on Ling too.
All true, but I think the problem is that the players might be so badly affected by the events of the summer that they can't truly be loyal to a new man, which I guess is understandable.
So the players may as well hang up their boots as they can never work under someone else? Nonsense
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Prestige Worldwide wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:49 pm You said it was 'bolox' and 'shocking' only a page or two ago.
My predictions are notoriously bad. I’m keeping my fine run going.
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Red_Army wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:42 pm
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:26 pm
Red_Army wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:22 pm Still think that the real issue is that our squad need to be broken up.
Definitely a big issue - far too complacent. The fact other promoted teams were good enough for League Two was a correlation, not causation when you had a squad like ours.

A just as big issue is new deals handed out to the likes of Coulson and Brill which will be albatrosses for the next 18 months. These are definitely on Ling too.
All true, but I think the problem is that the players might be so badly affected by the events of the summer that they can't truly be loyal to a new man, which I guess is understandable.
I don't agree with your point, but related to it is another point I made during the summer - that churn in the playing squad would be no bad thing given how some players would have been affected by Edinburgh's death and it might be better to move some on for a fresh start.
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dOh Nut wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:48 pm
UpminsterO wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:38 pm The cost in terms of loss revenue cannot be recovered can it

But hey this failure is collective and it's a total failure for all parties and to some degree the players too. (unless they were just not possible to convert the tactics/instructions for reasons none of us will ever be informed)
I struggle to criticise the players who have served the club so well and despite some poor performances their spirit is hard to criticise. The spirit was there in bucket loads at Northampton and who can criticise a 4-0 away win that followed. Then it all went wrong. Big time. No need to ask why.

Leyton Orient. FA Cup laughing stock. Morecombe mugs,

Time to regroup. I’ll be there Saturday giving Ross and the players my full support. And the Board too for sorting out this mess before any more damage was done.
Well said, let's hope we get the reaction from the players on Saturday, that we the supporters deserve, after Sunday's debacle. Looking forward to it, if I am honest and even the District Line being unavailable, doesn't seem so bad, now.
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Clearly the return of the O Nuts tipped things over the edge. All that sugar pumped into the Fans would have turned into a mass crowd hypo if Mr Charisma had stayed and failed to deliver again.
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Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:52 pm
Red_Army wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:42 pm
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:26 pm

Definitely a big issue - far too complacent. The fact other promoted teams were good enough for League Two was a correlation, not causation when you had a squad like ours.

A just as big issue is new deals handed out to the likes of Coulson and Brill which will be albatrosses for the next 18 months. These are definitely on Ling too.
All true, but I think the problem is that the players might be so badly affected by the events of the summer that they can't truly be loyal to a new man, which I guess is understandable.
I don't agree with your point, but related to it is another point I made during the summer - that churn in the playing squad would be no bad thing given how some players would have been affected by Edinburgh's death and it might be better to move some on for a fresh start.
I think that is essentially my point, to be fair.
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Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:52 pm
Red_Army wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:42 pm
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:26 pm

Definitely a big issue - far too complacent. The fact other promoted teams were good enough for League Two was a correlation, not causation when you had a squad like ours.

A just as big issue is new deals handed out to the likes of Coulson and Brill which will be albatrosses for the next 18 months. These are definitely on Ling too.
All true, but I think the problem is that the players might be so badly affected by the events of the summer that they can't truly be loyal to a new man, which I guess is understandable.
I don't agree with your point, but related to it is another point I made during the summer - that churn in the playing squad would be no bad thing given how some players would have been affected by Edinburgh's death and it might be better to move some on for a fresh start.
For sure many people were affected but life moves on and the players who were loyal to Justin also have families that need to be supported and players have a loyalty to them too. They also have a loyalty to build on his legacy. So tough as it is the motivation to move forward in a positive way is immense.

Player churn. Normal in the game. Perhaps some are still here because they are seen as having earned the chance to prove they can do it at a higher level. Maybe with a better manager they still can.
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