What is Fletcher doing wrong?

[Thor]

IMO, this is what needs to change

1. Play 442
2. Drop Coulson and Clay
3. Find new fullbacks
4. If there is any tension between the coaching staff, resolve it.
5. Relax and be honest for interviews.
6. Do a podcast

4 should be 1

But the spice girls xmas single was 2 become 1

[Thor]

Considering the players are not playing for him, he must be doing virtually everything wrong to get these types of bad performances in such a short time .

To be fair a significant number of the players aren't good enough.

Whilst your comment could be argued, the players showed that they were good enough under RE once he intended to step down.

[Max B Gold]

Considering the players are not playing for him, he must be doing virtually everything wrong to get these types of bad performances in such a short time .

To be fair a significant number of the players aren't good enough.

Whilst your comment could be argued, the players showed that they were good enough under RE once he intended to step down.

Mate the last thing I want to do on here is to start an argument.

[PoundhillO]

The thing Fletcher is doing wrong is not admitting that he bullsh*tted his way into a job he clearly is not capable of and failing to do the honourable thing and resign.

[Max B Gold]

The thing Fletcher is doing wrong is not admitting that he bullsh*tted his way into a job he clearly is not capable of and failing to do the honourable thing and resign.

He doesn't convince me but he needs to be given time to turn it around.

[Thor]

I agree with max, I must be mad!

[Luna Tic]

Some of the players may not be good enough but many are and he’s simply not getting the best from these players, let alone fighting above the talent which Slade did brilliantly .
The players seem confused , passing sideways endlessly and
Maybe the players aren’t good enough to take onboard the way he wants to play but they are certainly good enough to be mid table in L2 and to beat part timers at home .

So something is clearly wrong and it isn’t getting better or improving as fletcher keeps saying, it’s actually getting worse

Likely we will wait for improvement and it just won’t come , as the foundations are not there . Something has to change, whatever that has to be.

[CockneyFlower]

Hi, don't post often but......

Outside/external appointment, limited experience, "loan" manager joining from non-coaching position etc.

Looks like trouble securing backing from existing coaching staff or senior players.
Without backing or trust of coaches, senior players, rightly or wrongly he's doomed from the start, no chance.

Unless capable of coming in with complete confidence, gain respect & trust via impact upon training plans, tactics, motivating squad, ideas etc.
Without inspiring confidence, players coaches, start to doubt, question appointment......
Fletcher appears to have lost dressing room quicker than Sitton offering to fight all players at half-time......

Fletcher may know game, but looks quiet/student type. Not capable of coming in & working with an existing, closely knit back-room staff.
My own supposition/own theory but clearly lacking a New "Manager bounce", taking us from 3 wins in a row to relegation candidates within days?
"No new manager bounce"...understatement of season to date!!!

May have been different with own back-room staff coming in with him.
Speaks loudly this couldn't happen anyway due to being a "loan" manager & didn't have any experienced back-room behind him....

Could only happen to Orient......looked an odd, if not bad appointment from min 1 onwards.....

[Luna Tic]

Some of the players may not be good enough but many are and he’s simply not getting the best from these players, let alone fighting above the talent which Slade did brilliantly .
The players seem confused , passing sideways endlessly and
Maybe the players aren’t good enough to take onboard the way he wants to play but they are certainly good enough to be mid table in L2 and to beat part timers at home .

So something is clearly wrong and it isn’t getting better or improving as fletcher keeps saying, it’s actually getting worse

Likely we will wait for improvement and it just won’t come , as the foundations are not there . Rather like papering over cracks, as the cliche says . Something has to change, whatever that has to be.

[Long slender neck]

Hi, don't post often but......

Outside/external appointment, limited experience, "loan" manager joining from non-coaching position etc.

Looks like trouble securing backing from existing coaching staff or senior players.
Without backing or trust of coaches, senior players, rightly or wrongly he's doomed from the start, no chance.

Unless capable of coming in with complete confidence, gain respect & trust via impact upon training plans, tactics, motivating squad, ideas etc.
Without inspiring confidence, players coaches, start to doubt, question appointment......
Fletcher appears to have lost dressing room quicker than Sitton offering to fight all players at half-time......

Fletcher may know game, but looks quiet/student type. Not capable of coming in & working with an existing, closely knit back-room staff.
My own supposition/own theory but clearly lacking a New "Manager bounce", taking us from 3 wins in a row to relegation candidates within days?
"No new manager bounce"...understatement of season to date!!!

May have been different with own back-room staff coming in with him.
Speaks loudly this couldn't happen anyway due to being a "loan" manager & didn't have any experienced back-room behind him....

Could only happen to Orient......looked an odd, if not bad appointment from min 1 onwards.....

Looks like a quiet student? Brilliant.

[gshaw]

It seems to me not watching any match but reading everything bar tweets that CF is in to a hiding to nothing and the poor guy is being used as the fall guy at this club for everyone - and that is just not fair

I'm beginning to wonder if that's actually the plan all along. Something just seems very "off" with Fletcher from the moment he's came in. I struggle to think of a manager who's come across less enthusiastic than he has, almost playing a pantomime villain at times with his nonchalent interviews and suchlike.

What if the board recognise that there's too much malaise hanging over the current squad and coaching staff, as touched on above some affected by the summer too badly to ever regain their form and focus.

How do you move things on whilst not looking like the bad guys for removing people who are seen to be "Orient through and through". Bring in someone to ruffle the nest, make it worth their while and accept the flak in the meantime...

Yes I know crazy theory but it's hard to make rational sense of how things have gone in recent weeks

[Thor]

I've seen that first hand as well. A sales director was brought in and he went mental over everyone in sales. Quite a few were let go and he built a new team, the issue was the ceo didn't want to do it as "they were family"

[CockneyFlower]

Hence my quiet student of the game type comment.....
More Harry Potter than Harry Redknapp type of manager/coach!

[OyinbO]

Not sure why the owners seem so fixated on getting an untried young manager in (in the hope that he may turn out to be a future Eddie Howe, or similar). I mean, it's a nice idea, but if it's getting in the way of a more dispassionate appointment based on a more well-rounded assessment of the candidate's qualities, then they need to wise up.

If it's all being driven by a desire to preserve all the other bits of the Edinburgh era squad & back-room team together, that's nice. But it does limit your ability to bring in another personality on the scale of JE. Sooner or later, you have to move on...

[redintheface]

Not sure why the owners seem so fixated on getting an untried young manager in (in the hope that he may turn out to be a future Eddie Howe, or similar). I mean, it's a nice idea, but if it's getting in the way of a more dispassionate appointment based on a more well-rounded assessment of the candidate's qualities, then they need to wise up.

If it's all being driven by a desire to preserve all the other bits of the Edinburgh era squad & back-room team together, that's nice. But it does limit your ability to bring in another personality on the scale of JE. Sooner or later, you have to move on...

I agree 100%. Far too many decisions based on sentiment from the Board.
1 the extending of contracts of players who have made little or no impact this season
2 installing Embleton as “ interim” boss and not seeking a new Head Coach in “ the interim”
3 insisting that the new Head Coach must retain the existing back room staff intact
4.apparently ruling out the idea of appointing a more seasoned individual to take the Head Coach role

[AckneyAwks]

When is 'MEET THE MANAGER' evening. That should be interesting.

[eagwgw]

I don't believe we actively targeted a young untested manager, more that Carl was the most qualified and high profile guy that would accept the terms and conditions, and then we pretended after that he ticked every box not to undermine him.

Maybe there was an element of bad luck in the timing and the front-runners were Calderwood and Adams, and Adams must have wanted things we could not give. They for me did not tick all the boxes, but you can't wait forever for the right man, we are restricted by availability at the time.

Rewind back to 2017 and Justin Edinburgh did (ie track record of success, locally known, able to fit into the system), had he been in a job somewhere else we might not have ended up with someone as good (although not impossible).

There was a link on the Plymouth forum here:
https://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic ... 82&start=0

You might think they are commenting on of our recent defeats but no, it's one of their games from years ago! Just doesn't seem like man management is his thing. Thing is, despite Ross being 100% more passionate I don't think this is his bag either. Just gotta hope his tactical ability over-rides that.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

When is 'MEET THE MANAGER' evening. That should be interesting.

Interesting but not exciting. Bets on who dozes off first, Fletcher or the audience.

I’ve found a new sleep aid. Forget the soothing music, just put on one of his interviews. I’m off in minutes.

[Thor]

[RedDwarf 1881]

Hi, don't post often but......

Outside/external appointment, limited experience, "loan" manager joining from non-coaching position etc.

Looks like trouble securing backing from existing coaching staff or senior players.
Without backing or trust of coaches, senior players, rightly or wrongly he's doomed from the start, no chance.

Unless capable of coming in with complete confidence, gain respect & trust via impact upon training plans, tactics, motivating squad, ideas etc.
Without inspiring confidence, players coaches, start to doubt, question appointment......
Fletcher appears to have lost dressing room quicker than Sitton offering to fight all players at half-time......

Fletcher may know game, but looks quiet/student type. Not capable of coming in & working with an existing, closely knit back-room staff.
My own supposition/own theory but clearly lacking a New "Manager bounce", taking us from 3 wins in a row to relegation candidates within days?
"No new manager bounce"...understatement of season to date!!!

May have been different with own back-room staff coming in with him.
Speaks loudly this couldn't happen anyway due to being a "loan" manager & didn't have any experienced back-room behind him....

Could only happen to Orient......looked an odd, if not bad appointment from min 1 onwards.....

A good post , exactly. That's why I wanted Russell back . At this particular moment in time the club could have done with him back here .Very experienced and already know's most of the backroom staff . He knows what our club is all about and has the personality to gain the players respect from day one . With Russell back surely things wouldn't have been this bad . Russell steadied the ship last time and I reckon he's more than capable of doing it again . Golden opportunity blown and we'll probably not approach him now until we're right in the sh*t fighting relegation.

[RedDwarf 1881]

When is 'MEET THE MANAGER' evening. That should be interesting.

Interesting but not exciting. Bets on who dozes off first, Fletcher or the audience.

I’ve found a new sleep aid. Forget the soothing music, just put on one of his interviews. I’m off in minutes.

[Eat The Rich]

Kenny Daglish notoriously reticent at speaking to media is still a hero at Liverpool

It's almost like Dalglish had some credit in the bank. I wonder why that could have been?

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Kenny Daglish notoriously reticent at speaking to media is still a hero at Liverpool

It's almost like Dalglish had some credit in the bank. I wonder why that could have been?

I think the point being that if on pitch performances were adequate many wouldn’t give a toss about his interviews. But given the poo poo on the pitch fans are interested in his opinions and more importantly what he plans to do about it. Personally I have no clue here.

Crap on the pitch and no passion off the pitch is a poor mixture, enough to drive fans away.

[Pandy]

I think the club thought they already had a good race car capable of winning it just needed a driver!.. Excuse the analogy.

[Sid Bishop]

When is 'MEET THE MANAGER' evening. That should be interesting.

Interesting but not exciting. Bets on who dozes off first, Fletcher or the audience.

I’ve found a new sleep aid. Forget the soothing music, just put on one of his interviews. I’m off in minutes.

Nice one dOh Nut !!
The new dOh Nut sleep therapy format that never fails ! Just relax on your favourite sofa, a nice drink of your favourite beer or wine etc, whilst watching a Carl Fletcher after match interview, off in a deep sleep within minutes !