PoundhillO wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:46 pm
I will vote Labour as I hate the Tories and everything they stand for.
In my area Labour at the last General Election were beaten by a few thousand votes .
If I lived in an area where it was a close thing between the Tories and any other party I would tactically vote to stop the Tories get in.
If you are are working class or any other class that think it is wrong to reduce workers rights, like the Tories have consistently done you can only vote Labour or tactically vote to keep the right wing Tories and Brexit Party out.
Like the NHS
Like choice of education
Like increased pensions
Like trying to carry out the will of the public ie Brexit
Like Defence
Etc etc
Do you really want to return to the ‘good old days’ when the country was held to ransom by workers who disagreed with the elected government.
As an ex Union member I believe they have a valuable place in society but not to the extent of trying to stop the country from functioning?
Do you remember the three day week, the miners strike etc. What did it achieve?
A Labour Government with Corbyn as PM would be a complete disaster. His policies are ridiculous and not sustainable financially. The country would quickly grind to a halt as the rich will emigrate taking their considerable wealth with them thus losing the treasury the bulk of its income from taxation . Major utilities will be nationalised at vast cost and remember British Rail? It was terrible. Please think before deciding to do anything to keep the Tories out. An old slogan from the 60’s when ‘arold was PM
Land of Hope and Fading Glories
Please bring back those‘wicked’ Tories
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:46 pm
I will vote Labour as I hate the Tories and everything they stand for.
In my area Labour at the last General Election were beaten by a few thousand votes .
If I lived in an area where it was a close thing between the Tories and any other party I would tactically vote to stop the Tories get in.
If you are are working class or any other class that think it is wrong to reduce workers rights, like the Tories have consistently done you can only vote Labour or tactically vote to keep the right wing Tories and Brexit Party out.
Like the NHS
Like choice of education
Like increased pensions
Like trying to carry out the will of the public ie Brexit
Like Defence
Etc etc
Do you really want to return to the ‘good old days’ when the country was held to ransom by workers who disagreed with the elected government.
As an ex Union member I believe they have a valuable place in society but not to the extent of trying to stop the country from functioning?
Do you remember the three day week, the miners strike etc. What did it achieve?
A Labour Government with Corbyn as PM would be a complete disaster. His policies are ridiculous and not sustainable financially. The country would quickly grind to a halt as the rich will emigrate taking their considerable wealth with them thus losing the treasury the bulk of its income from taxation . Major utilities will be nationalised at vast cost and remember British Rail? It was terrible. Please think before deciding to do anything to keep the Tories out. An old slogan from the 60’s when ‘arold was PM
Land of Hope and Fading Glories
Please bring back those‘wicked’ Tories
Major utilities will be nationalised at vast cost and remember British Rail?
I've picked out just one small piece of drivel from an avalanche of drivel to comment on.
Why do we need to remember British Rail when we have the more recent debacles of Northern Rail, Scotrail, Railtrack etc. Not to mention the deaths at Hatfield and Reading because of botched maintenance.
Privatisation is worse than BR because the taxpayer through subsidy is now filling the pockets of capitalists who cannot deliver a decent rail service.
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:46 pm
I will vote Labour as I hate the Tories and everything they stand for.
In my area Labour at the last General Election were beaten by a few thousand votes .
If I lived in an area where it was a close thing between the Tories and any other party I would tactically vote to stop the Tories get in.
If you are are working class or any other class that think it is wrong to reduce workers rights, like the Tories have consistently done you can only vote Labour or tactically vote to keep the right wing Tories and Brexit Party out.
Like the NHS
Like choice of education
Like increased pensions
Like trying to carry out the will of the public ie Brexit
Like Defence
Etc etc
Do you really want to return to the ‘good old days’ when the country was held to ransom by workers who disagreed with the elected government.
As an ex Union member I believe they have a valuable place in society but not to the extent of trying to stop the country from functioning?
Do you remember the three day week, the miners strike etc. What did it achieve?
A Labour Government with Corbyn as PM would be a complete disaster. His policies are ridiculous and not sustainable financially. The country would quickly grind to a halt as the rich will emigrate taking their considerable wealth with them thus losing the treasury the bulk of its income from taxation . Major utilities will be nationalised at vast cost and remember British Rail? It was terrible. Please think before deciding to do anything to keep the Tories out. An old slogan from the 60’s when ‘arold was PM
Land of Hope and Fading Glories
Please bring back those‘wicked’ Tories
Major utilities will be nationalised at vast cost and remember British Rail?
I've picked out just one small piece of drivel from an avalanche of drivel to comment on.
Why do we need to remember British Rail when we have the more recent debacles of Northern Rail, Scotrail, Railtrack etc. Not to mention the deaths at Hatfield and Reading because of botched maintenance.
Privatisation is worse than BR because the taxpayer through subsidy is now filling the pockets of capitalists who cannot deliver a decent rail service.
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:46 pm
I will vote Labour as I hate the Tories and everything they stand for.
In my area Labour at the last General Election were beaten by a few thousand votes .
If I lived in an area where it was a close thing between the Tories and any other party I would tactically vote to stop the Tories get in.
If you are are working class or any other class that think it is wrong to reduce workers rights, like the Tories have consistently done you can only vote Labour or tactically vote to keep the right wing Tories and Brexit Party out.
Like the NHS
Like choice of education
Like increased pensions
Like trying to carry out the will of the public ie Brexit
Like Defence
Etc etc
Do you really want to return to the ‘good old days’ when the country was held to ransom by workers who disagreed with the elected government.
As an ex Union member I believe they have a valuable place in society but not to the extent of trying to stop the country from functioning?
Do you remember the three day week, the miners strike etc. What did it achieve?
A Labour Government with Corbyn as PM would be a complete disaster. His policies are ridiculous and not sustainable financially. The country would quickly grind to a halt as the rich will emigrate taking their considerable wealth with them thus losing the treasury the bulk of its income from taxation . Major utilities will be nationalised at vast cost and remember British Rail? It was terrible. Please think before deciding to do anything to keep the Tories out. An old slogan from the 60’s when ‘arold was PM
Land of Hope and Fading Glories
Please bring back those‘wicked’ Tories
Major utilities will be nationalised at vast cost and remember British Rail?
I've picked out just one small piece of drivel from an avalanche of drivel to comment on.
Why do we need to remember British Rail when we have the more recent debacles of Northern Rail, Scotrail, Railtrack etc. Not to mention the deaths at Hatfield and Reading because of botched maintenance.
Privatisation is worse than BR because the taxpayer through subsidy is now filling the pockets of capitalists who cannot deliver a decent rail service.
You are talking out of your arse as usual.
Max as a taxi driver I guess you don’t use the trains too often? The train service is better than it used to be, I went to school on the train under British rail and I’ve commuted my whole adult life in to central London to earn my corn. The difference is like night and day.
Could it be better of course it could, is it better than it was, of course it is.
I say the above as a person who would actually support each franchise coming back under government control and run as a business like they have done when taking them away.
Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:36 pm
State pensions are going up by 3.9% in April 2020. That is a fact.
Please don’t make up stories without actually checking the facts.
Its not a Fact .
Its a projected fact .
Hasnt happened yet & until it has happend
then its not a Fact .
Sorry to be a killjoy by p155ing on your parade.
If you need clarification on what a fact is legally im sure Spen will explain it better than I .
Tuffers let’s not talk about how brown destroyed private pensions by nicking our money.
Lets not indeed
Ill not talk about the £4 billion wasted by the tories trying to uphold the £ against the ERM 25 years earlier
Which in real terms ( todays money) is £30 billion .
Hasnt happened yet & until it has happend
then its not a Fact .
Sorry to be a killjoy by p155ing on your parade.
If you need clarification on what a fact is legally im sure Spen will explain it better than I .
Tuffers let’s not talk about how brown destroyed private pensions by nicking our money.
Lets not indeed
Ill not talk about the £4 billion wasted by the tories trying to uphold the £ against the ERM 25 years earlier
Which in real terms ( todays money) is £30 billion .
What about Gordon Brown selling off 50% of the UK’s gold when gold was at a low. Had it not been sold it would be worth 4 or 5 times what he sold it for. There is a reason why it’s called Browns Bottom.
Tuffers let’s not talk about how brown destroyed private pensions by nicking our money.
Lets not indeed
Ill not talk about the £4 billion wasted by the tories trying to uphold the £ against the ERM 25 years earlier
Which in real terms ( todays money) is £30 billion .
What about Gordon Brown selling off 50% of the UK’s gold when gold was at a low. Had it not been sold it would be worth 4 or 5 times what he sold it for. There is a reason why it’s called Browns Bottom.
Brown sold £4 billion worth of gold
The example i gave was in relation to that post.
Browns £4 billion was the equivalent to 1/7 of the tory parties £4 billion (£30 billion in real terms ) 25 years before.
Shall we discuss Thatcher selling iff the countries
wealth to balance her books ?
BT britains flagship company
British Gas . BP the post office etc
Lets not indeed
Ill not talk about the £4 billion wasted by the tories trying to uphold the £ against the ERM 25 years earlier
Which in real terms ( todays money) is £30 billion .
What about Gordon Brown selling off 50% of the UK’s gold when gold was at a low. Had it not been sold it would be worth 4 or 5 times what he sold it for. There is a reason why it’s called Browns Bottom.
Brown sold £4 billion worth of gold
The example i gave was in relation to that post.
Browns £4 billion was the equivalent to 1/7 of the tory parties £4 billion (£30 billion in real terms ) 25 years before.
Shall we discuss Thatcher selling iff the countries
wealth to balance her books ?
BT britains flagship company
British Gas . BP the post office etc
By all means let’s discuss this, where and when?
Nothing wrong with a healthy discussion and disagreement but both sides need to be prepared to have facts available not fiction.
As David Frost used to say ‘It’s over to you’
Winchesterfan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:45 pm
What about Gordon Brown selling off 50% of the UK’s gold when gold was at a low. Had it not been sold it would be worth 4 or 5 times what he sold it for. There is a reason why it’s called Browns Bottom.
Brown sold £4 billion worth of gold
The example i gave was in relation to that post.
Browns £4 billion was the equivalent to 1/7 of the tory parties £4 billion (£30 billion in real terms ) 25 years before.
Shall we discuss Thatcher selling iff the countries
wealth to balance her books ?
BT britains flagship company
British Gas . BP the post office etc
By all means let’s discuss this, where and when?
Nothing wrong with a healthy discussion and disagreement but both sides need to be prepared to have facts available not fiction.
As David Frost used to say ‘It’s over to you’
The Tories sold every single asset this country had for a short-term gain. BT, gas, steel, railways, Rover, the shipyards, coal, water, electricity, post office, British Airways, you name it, it was all sold off to pay for tax cuts and to fund the subsequent dole queues. Now it’s all gone and so has the money, and the country doesn’t have a single bankable asset left.
Btw, anyone who says that the railways are better now than under BR is talking out of their arse.
Stowaway wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:19 am
The Tories sold every single asset this country had for a short-term gain. BT, gas, steel, railways, Rover, the shipyards, coal, water, electricity, post office, British Airways, you name it, it was all sold off to pay for tax cuts and to fund the subsequent dole queues. Now it’s all gone and so has the money, and the country doesn’t have a single bankable asset left.
Btw, anyone who says that the railways are better now than under BR is talking out of their arse.
Stowaway wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:19 am
The Tories sold every single asset this country had for a short-term gain. BT, gas, steel, railways, Rover, the shipyards, coal, water, electricity, post office, British Airways, you name it, it was all sold off to pay for tax cuts and to fund the subsequent dole queues. Now it’s all gone and so has the money, and the country doesn’t have a single bankable asset left.
Btw, anyone who says that the railways are better now than under BR is talking out of their arse.
Wrong.
The country does have the one asset capitalism needs most and the one they can never own and that is it's workers.
They are the ones who produce the wealth. Ignore the assets created so far because even if it is all ground to dust tomorrow it will be workers who rebuild it in the same way we built the current assets.
They are the ones on zero hours contracts, on low pay, the working poor who are being treated as an expendable commodity as poverty grips their communities. They will rise again. It's only a matter of time, organisation and the will to create a new world.
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:14 am
I'll be voting for Stella Creasey as the Labour candidate in my area. Is she an anti-Semite? Haven't seen any evidence of that, do you have any links?
Stella Creasy is no anti semite, but the Labour Party is Walthamstow is riddled with anti semites. Ask any Jew who has the misfortune to live in Orford Road near to number 23.
I just asked 3 Jewish people this morning
1 on beulah road 1 on addison rd & 1 on eden road .
None of them have a problem with number 23
Whatsoever .
Stella Creasy is no anti semite, but the Labour Party is Walthamstow is riddled with anti semites. Ask any Jew who has the misfortune to live in Orford Road near to number 23.
I just asked 3 Jewish people this morning
1 on beulah road 1 on addison rd & 1 on eden road .
None of them have a problem with number 23
Whatsoever .
Stowaway wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:19 am
The Tories sold every single asset this country had for a short-term gain. BT, gas, steel, railways, Rover, the shipyards, coal, water, electricity, post office, British Airways, you name it, it was all sold off to pay for tax cuts and to fund the subsequent dole queues. Now it’s all gone and so has the money, and the country doesn’t have a single bankable asset left.
Btw, anyone who says that the railways are better now than under BR is talking out of their arse.
Wrong.
The country does have the one asset capitalism needs most and the one they can never own and that is it's workers.
They are the ones who produce the wealth. Ignore the assets created so far because even if it is all ground to dust tomorrow it will be workers who rebuild it in the same way we built the current assets.
They are the ones on zero hours contracts, on low pay, the working poor who are being treated as an expendable commodity as poverty grips their communities. They will rise again. It's only a matter of time, organisation and the will to create a new world.
Max whilst you are right that the workers create the wealth, it required someone’s capital to enable the wealth to be created in the first place. Secondly can you show me a time when we never had low paid jobs, the working poor and when we were not expendable as a workforce?
You been searching out the Jews on the Electoral Register?
The who ?
Are you not able to make your language sound a little less
Concentration camp " The Jews "
Maybe, "have you been searching jewish peoples names " ?
Actually, know i havent been searching them out
They are people i know, if youd bothered to read the thread an old boss of mine was Jewish
Therefore got to know a lot of Jewish people over 16 years .
Stowaway wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:19 am
The Tories sold every single asset this country had for a short-term gain. BT, gas, steel, railways, Rover, the shipyards, coal, water, electricity, post office, British Airways, you name it, it was all sold off to pay for tax cuts and to fund the subsequent dole queues. Now it’s all gone and so has the money, and the country doesn’t have a single bankable asset left.
Btw, anyone who says that the railways are better now than under BR is talking out of their arse.
Wrong.
The country does have the one asset capitalism needs most and the one they can never own and that is it's workers.
They are the ones who produce the wealth. Ignore the assets created so far because even if it is all ground to dust tomorrow it will be workers who rebuild it in the same way we built the current assets.
They are the ones on zero hours contracts, on low pay, the working poor who are being treated as an expendable commodity as poverty grips their communities. They will rise again. It's only a matter of time, organisation and the will to create a new world.
Max whilst you are right that the workers create the wealth, it required someone’s capital to enable the wealth to be created in the first place. Secondly can you show me a time when we never had low paid jobs, the working poor and when we were not expendable as a workforce?
No, it didn’t.
And what sort of excuse is workers have always been abused? Things can - and under Jezza, will - change.
If you can't think of anything wrong with Jeremy Corbyn, then I suggest you read below. His track record and behaviours go way beyond just anti-semitism.
Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
How could anyone with even a modicum of decency even consider having someone like this as our Prime Minister???
