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Re: Homeless on the Streets

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Max B Gold wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:42 pm
Disoriented wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:36 pm
Max B Gold wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:28 pm

Probably the weather.
Wonder why they didn’t prefer the joys of Scotchland.
No idea but they are very welcome should they decide to come here.

Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Well said fella.
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Re: Homeless on the Streets

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Prestige Worldwide wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:15 pm Disguise a council flat as a bench with tarpaulin over it.
How on Earth where you selected to be a moderator
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Re: Homeless on the Streets

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Prestige Worldwide wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:14 pm Obviously mental. The fact that they havent been declared mental yet will not surprise anybody with experience of the mental health services in this country.
The obviously mental ones are the people who decided you should be a moderator

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Re: Homeless on the Streets

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I guess some of us are just lucky.
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Re: Homeless on the Streets

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tuffers#1 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:12 am
spen666 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:52 am An interesting article on the BBC website about a mother and son who are homeless in London

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-50211901

An unusual story and one with no obvious solution
The obvious solution is to start building
govt/council owned housing.
Agreed. People having to live on the streets is a national disgrace. Everybody should a home
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Re: Homeless on the Streets

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Agreed and the state will provide a home for everyone, just some people choose not too for various reasons.
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Re: Homeless on the Streets

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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:18 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:12 am
spen666 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:52 am An interesting article on the BBC website about a mother and son who are homeless in London

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-50211901

An unusual story and one with no obvious solution
The obvious solution is to start building
govt/council owned housing.
Agreed. People having to live on the streets is a national disgrace. Everybody should a home
You clearly have not read the story.

This is nothing to do with there not being a building for them to live in
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Re: Homeless on the Streets

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spen666 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:32 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:18 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:12 am

The obvious solution is to start building
govt/council owned housing.
Agreed. People having to live on the streets is a national disgrace. Everybody should a home
You clearly have not read the story.

This is nothing to do with there not being a building for them to live in
A building is not a home. RD makes a prescient point.
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Re: Homeless on the Streets

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spen666 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:32 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:18 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:12 am

The obvious solution is to start building
govt/council owned housing.
Agreed. People having to live on the streets is a national disgrace. Everybody should a home
You clearly have not read the story.

This is nothing to do with there not being a building for them to live in
Well specifically spen

What in your opinion is it about ?
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Disoriented wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:46 pm
spen666 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:32 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:18 pm

Agreed. People having to live on the streets is a national disgrace. Everybody should a home
You clearly have not read the story.

This is nothing to do with there not being a building for them to live in
A building is not a home. RD makes a prescient point.
I've been talking to reverend in Walthamstow and he provides both food and shelter from Nov and some people no matter how hard they might try dont want to be a part of the system. He has councillors to help them claim benefits etc. Tries to help find accommodation etc and some don't want to know, he says he has to respect their wishes whilst trying to convince them to accept the help. As he says it's really hard.
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Thor wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:06 pm
Disoriented wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:46 pm
spen666 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:32 pm

You clearly have not read the story.

This is nothing to do with there not being a building for them to live in
A building is not a home. RD makes a prescient point.
I've been talking to reverend in Walthamstow and he provides both food and shelter from Nov and some people no matter how hard they might try dont want to be a part of the system. He has councillors to help them claim benefits etc. Tries to help find accommodation etc and some don't want to know, he says he has to respect their wishes whilst trying to convince them to accept the help. As he says it's really hard.
Sounds like a good fella.
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:18 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:12 am
spen666 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:52 am An interesting article on the BBC website about a mother and son who are homeless in London

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-50211901

An unusual story and one with no obvious solution
The obvious solution is to start building
govt/council owned housing.
Agreed. People having to live on the streets is a national disgrace. Everybody should a home
For some people the streets is what they call home, by choice. Who are we to criticise.
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Re: Homeless on the Streets

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Been involved with the homeless in a voluntary capacity for years on and off, at their winter night shelters, which is run by the Churches.

There's one woman who comes back year after year, regular as clockwork.
She's been offered accommodation by the Council and/or the local homeless charity (HARP) many many times, and always declines.

Obviously she's classified as a vulnerable person (rightly); and also the fact that 85-90% of the homeless in town (I live in Southend) are male, makes her even more vulnerable. She's mixing daily with alcoholics, junkies, and crack-heads, and these are her 'friends', I guess you would say.

She appears not to have any issues with addiction (as an addict in recovery myself I can take a reasonable guess), and is always lucid when spoken to, so any mental health issues are either hidden by her, or at least not immediately apparent.
She's widely known as brass: but whatever it is she does with the money is not apparent, either.

It seems she's just been in that lifestyle so long, she's acclimatised to it, and thought of a roof over her head is not on her radar.

The point being (I suppose), is that it's always more complex than simply putting homeless people into a building, and asking them to see it as home. I guess she's barely 40, but shows no desire of reversing her 'lifestyle choices' whatsoever.

There must be literally hundreds if not thousands of examples of people like this lady out there, very sadly.
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Re: Homeless on the Streets

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Well done scuba for helping out others.

The concept of not having a roof over our heads is totally foreign to probably everyone on here. Unfortunately some do choose that lifestyle, others fall into it for one reason or another however, we should still reach out to help others.

Keep up the good work mate, you are making a difference.
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I have a real bugbear about property being used as a store of wealth and an investment vehicle rather than it's intention of providing somewhere for people to live and to build communities. I would put massive tax on vacant properties to force owners into utilising them and not hoarding them. This tax could then be used to build more shelters for those in need.
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Scuba Diver wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:07 pm Been involved with the homeless in a voluntary capacity for years on and off, at their winter night shelters, which is run by the Churches.

There's one woman who comes back year after year, regular as clockwork.
She's been offered accommodation by the Council and/or the local homeless charity (HARP) many many times, and always declines.

Obviously she's classified as a vulnerable person (rightly); and also the fact that 85-90% of the homeless in town (I live in Southend) are male, makes her even more vulnerable. She's mixing daily with alcoholics, junkies, and crack-heads, and these are her 'friends', I guess you would say.

She appears not to have any issues with addiction (as an addict in recovery myself I can take a reasonable guess), and is always lucid when spoken to, so any mental health issues are either hidden by her, or at least not immediately apparent.
She's widely known as brass: but whatever it is she does with the money is not apparent, either.

It seems she's just been in that lifestyle so long, she's acclimatised to it, and thought of a roof over her head is not on her radar.

The point being (I suppose), is that it's always more complex than simply putting homeless people into a building, and asking them to see it as home. I guess she's barely 40, but shows no desire of reversing her 'lifestyle choices' whatsoever.

There must be literally hundreds if not thousands of examples of people like this lady out there, very sadly.
Sad indeed and well done for doing what you do.

I doubt the homeless have always been that way in their lives, circumstances have probably dictated they live on the streets, rather than it being a lifestyle choice at the start. But having got there I dare say many just get used to it and find it hard to change. An addiction of sorts in some way. Much of the damage has been done before they get that far and as said, once there some may have no desire to be homed,
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Ecstatic that I cannot read the post above.
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Max you are mad.
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