Martin Ditherling

[Lovejoy]

Did he manage the team to promotion? Let's not forget Steve Davis either.

At the time Steve Davis was considered to be the best option. The manager who got us promoted was under contract at Northampton Town and was chosen by Martin Ling when he was available. Martin Ling signed a lot of the players who got us promoted in the space of six weeks ater he accepted the DOF job.

Best man for the job? You just had to look at his results with Crewe in the previous 3 or 4 years to see how crap he was, let alone his sh*t on a stick football. He made some good signings, but he also made a load of crap ones too.

I did not state he was the best man for the job, I stated that he was considered the best option at the time. We do not know which managers were available at the time who were willing to drop into the National League. Finding a manger to do that was probably as hard as trying to sign players who were willing to do so.

[O my gawd]

Hate him? I don’t know him. I’m sure he’s a nice bloke, just not suited to his job, much like his son I suppose

Not good at his job?

He built a squad & structure & got us back in the the league within 2 seasons. Don't be such an ungrateful, clueless berk.

What structure would that be? The structure in place was put there by the owners. Ungrateful for what?

You really have no idea do you. Just an agenda against the name Ling.

Pretty sad

[LittleMate]

There are some real idiots on this forum, to the extent they should not be allowed near a keyboard.

[Wally Banter]

Always entertaining to watch people implode with speculation, guesswork and arguing when there’s a period of uncertainty at Orient. Why not just wait to see who’s appointed and how they get on?

[OyinbO]

What's the problem? Embleton was only the interim manager anyway - and he still is.

[Thor]

If anyone needs clueing up on this particular thread just read or re-read what A Pendant wrote, very well written and put sir.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Always entertaining to watch people implode with speculation, guesswork and arguing when there’s a period of uncertainty at Orient. Why not just wait to see who’s appointed and how they get on?

What we say counts for nothing, just harmless fun speculating. We have to wait but this stuff fills the gap before some rip the new guy apart.

[Max B Gold]

Always entertaining to watch people implode with speculation, guesswork and arguing when there’s a period of uncertainty at Orient. Why not just wait to see who’s appointed and how they get on?

What we say counts for nothing, just harmless fun speculating. We have to wait but this stuff fills the gap before some rip the new guy apart.

Yeah and if its Derek Adams I will be ripper apart in chief.

[BiggsyMalone]

At the time Steve Davis was considered to be the best option. The manager who got us promoted was under contract at Northampton Town and was chosen by Martin Ling when he was available. Martin Ling signed a lot of the players who got us promoted in the space of six weeks ater he accepted the DOF job.

Best man for the job? You just had to look at his results with Crewe in the previous 3 or 4 years to see how crap he was, let alone his sh*t on a stick football. He made some good signings, but he also made a load of crap ones too.

I did not state he was the best man for the job, I stated that he was considered the best option at the time. We do not know which managers were available at the time who were willing to drop into the National League. Finding a manger to do that was probably as hard as trying to sign players who were willing to do so.

Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

[BiggsyMalone]

Not good at his job?

He built a squad & structure & got us back in the the league within 2 seasons. Don't be such an ungrateful, clueless berk.

What structure would that be? The structure in place was put there by the owners. Ungrateful for what?

You really have no idea do you. Just an agenda against the name Ling.

Pretty sad

An agenda against the name Ling? . Yes, I have an agenda against a name.

[Disoriented]

Best man for the job? You just had to look at his results with Crewe in the previous 3 or 4 years to see how crap he was, let alone his sh*t on a stick football. He made some good signings, but he also made a load of crap ones too.

I did not state he was the best man for the job, I stated that he was considered the best option at the time. We do not know which managers were available at the time who were willing to drop into the National League. Finding a manger to do that was probably as hard as trying to sign players who were willing to do so.

Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

Exactly. Too many times Ling’s decisions have been flawed. Cannot fathom why he is treated like the messiah by some. Truly baffling.

[BiggsyMalone]

What's the problem? Embleton was only the interim manager anyway - and he still is.

Was he? The way a load of idiots on here carry on is as if he was going to be to second coming. Him and Martin Ling taking the mighty Leyton Orient into the Premier League in a few years time.

[Lovejoy]

Best man for the job? You just had to look at his results with Crewe in the previous 3 or 4 years to see how crap he was, let alone his sh*t on a stick football. He made some good signings, but he also made a load of crap ones too.

I did not state he was the best man for the job, I stated that he was considered the best option at the time. We do not know which managers were available at the time who were willing to drop into the National League. Finding a manger to do that was probably as hard as trying to sign players who were willing to do so.

Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

You have proof of that do you? Yet another absurd claim by you with absolutely no foundation.

[Disoriented]

I did not state he was the best man for the job, I stated that he was considered the best option at the time. We do not know which managers were available at the time who were willing to drop into the National League. Finding a manger to do that was probably as hard as trying to sign players who were willing to do so.

Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

You have proof of that do you? Yet another absurd claim by you with absolutely no foundation.

Anyone with a brain knows Biggsy is right about that.

[Lovejoy]

Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

You have proof of that do you? Yet another absurd claim by you with absolutely no foundation.

Anyone with a brain knows Biggsy is right about that.

Really!

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

If Ling Snr had drawn up a short list four months ago it wouldn't be very relevant now, half the people on that list would be in other roles and some decent candidates would be available now who were not back in June. It's taken less than two weeks so far which has included reviewing CV's, Informal and formal interviews, that in business terms is pretty quick, I'm sure the appointment will come on Monday when the owners have made the final interviews - it's not a long time to wait to get the right man it's too important a decision to rush.

Don't get the rage and continual sniping at Ling Snr who has played a massive part in turning this club around in the last two and a half years, he's doing a great job.

I said he's had 4 months to do it - even start some preparations, I didn't say "he should have had the list drawn up 4 months ago".

In the betting for the job, Currie and Calderwood were in their jobs long before those 4 months. Derek Adams hasn't managed since April. Constatine left India in January. Nugent is managing MIllwall u23s. Martin Allen hasn't managed since last year. Sol Campbell left in August. Out of the 7 'front runners' for the job, none of those managers have left their role and joined another club. It's going to be one of his mates employed anyway.

That's just nonsense though. The process doesn't move on until the appropriate time for that stage.

Tell us, other than a shortlist, what else he could have done four months ago that wouldn't have totally undermined the interim head coach before there was a permenent vacancy for that position? All while the club was mourning the loss of Edinburgh. Genuinely interested in your response.

[BiggsyMalone]

If Ling Snr had drawn up a short list four months ago it wouldn't be very relevant now, half the people on that list would be in other roles and some decent candidates would be available now who were not back in June. It's taken less than two weeks so far which has included reviewing CV's, Informal and formal interviews, that in business terms is pretty quick, I'm sure the appointment will come on Monday when the owners have made the final interviews - it's not a long time to wait to get the right man it's too important a decision to rush.

Don't get the rage and continual sniping at Ling Snr who has played a massive part in turning this club around in the last two and a half years, he's doing a great job.

I said he's had 4 months to do it - even start some preparations, I didn't say "he should have had the list drawn up 4 months ago".

In the betting for the job, Currie and Calderwood were in their jobs long before those 4 months. Derek Adams hasn't managed since April. Constatine left India in January. Nugent is managing MIllwall u23s. Martin Allen hasn't managed since last year. Sol Campbell left in August. Out of the 7 'front runners' for the job, none of those managers have left their role and joined another club. It's going to be one of his mates employed anyway.

That's just nonsense though. The process doesn't move on until the appropriate time for that stage.

Tell us, other than a shortlist, what else he could have done four months ago that wouldn't have totally undermined the interim head coach before there was a permenent vacancy for that position? All while the club was mourning the loss of Edinburgh. Genuinely interested in your response.

You’re too caught up with 4 months ago and not in the last 4 months. He could have used that time to come up with a plan of how he’d like the team to play, whether he’d want someone to bring the youth team through, a good coach or good man manager etc.

Ross was appointed to buy time for everyone. For everyone to mourn. For everyone to assess the situation. He could have highlighted managers that fit the bill for everything he wants for Orient and gauged interest from them at any point. I’ll even give him the benefit of the doubt and say if he didn’t feel comfortable doing that behind the interim manager’s back (despite everyone knowing it wasn’t going to be long term) and wanted to give everyone a clean start and the start of the season, everyone knew by mid-August it wasn’t working out and it wouldn’t. That’s 2 months out of the 4 that he’s seemingly twiddled his thumbs.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

I said he's had 4 months to do it - even start some preparations, I didn't say "he should have had the list drawn up 4 months ago".

In the betting for the job, Currie and Calderwood were in their jobs long before those 4 months. Derek Adams hasn't managed since April. Constatine left India in January. Nugent is managing MIllwall u23s. Martin Allen hasn't managed since last year. Sol Campbell left in August. Out of the 7 'front runners' for the job, none of those managers have left their role and joined another club. It's going to be one of his mates employed anyway.

That's just nonsense though. The process doesn't move on until the appropriate time for that stage.

Tell us, other than a shortlist, what else he could have done four months ago that wouldn't have totally undermined the interim head coach before there was a permenent vacancy for that position? All while the club was mourning the loss of Edinburgh. Genuinely interested in your response.

You’re too caught up with 4 months ago and not in the last 4 months. He could have used that time to come up with a plan of how he’d like the team to play, whether he’d want someone to bring the youth team through, a good coach or good man manager etc.

Ross was appointed to buy time for everyone. For everyone to mourn. For everyone to assess the situation. He could have highlighted managers that fit the bill for everything he wants for Orient and gauged interest from them at any point. I’ll even give him the benefit of the doubt and say if he didn’t feel comfortable doing that behind the interim manager’s back (despite everyone knowing it wasn’t going to be long term) and wanted to give everyone a clean start and the start of the season, everyone knew by mid-August it wasn’t working out and it wouldn’t. That’s 2 months out of the 4 that he’s seemingly twiddled his thumbs.

But those things you say he should be doing could have already been done previously. You don't know that they haven't happened as there is no visibility needed to them. Some things just happen behind the scenes and then ultimately we see the end product with the execution of the plan. You're point of view is basically formed from an uneducated guess.

[Thor]

I did not state he was the best man for the job, I stated that he was considered the best option at the time. We do not know which managers were available at the time who were willing to drop into the National League. Finding a manger to do that was probably as hard as trying to sign players who were willing to do so.

Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

Exactly. Too many times Ling’s decisions have been flawed. Cannot fathom why he is treated like the messiah by some. Truly baffling.

Don't agree with you concerning ML.

1) who brought in the players that won us the league inside of 2 years
2) he appointed 2 managers 1 of which did not work, the other won us the league title and took us to a cup final
3) he has ultimate responsibility for all football matters and we have players coming through from the youth ready for first team football
4) he has set up the scout network and probably be aided by making Steve Foster the head off and built from there
5) he has sorted out the coaching staff cos let's face not much was left after bullshitti
6) he has done everything asked of him by the owners as evidenced by their praise of him frequently

There's more that could be added.

He in all probability has not got everything right, but he has hit the target more often than not. The man is Orient through and through yet many and you are one of the worst continually slag him off. Give it a rest for christs sake.

I'm pleased he is in the club and the role that he is doing. Can it improve? I'm sure it can, will it improve, I believe it will. Lets back the process, it worked with Justin, and I'm sure it was tweaked after the Davis failure so there is a lesson of improvement.

More importantly let's back a man who has done a bloody decent job so far.

Over to you now Martin, get this appointment right or Dis will be all over this post like a bad rash!!

[O my gawd]

Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

Exactly. Too many times Ling’s decisions have been flawed. Cannot fathom why he is treated like the messiah by some. Truly baffling.

Don't agree with you concerning ML.

1) who brought in the players that won us the league inside of 2 years
2) he appointed 2 managers 1 of which did not work, the other won us the league title and took us to a cup final
3) he has ultimate responsibility for all football matters and we have players coming through from the youth ready for first team football
4) he has set up the scout network and probably be aided by making Steve Foster the head off and built from there
5) he has sorted out the coaching staff cos let's face not much was left after bullshitti
6) he has done everything asked of him by the owners as evidenced by their praise of him frequently

There's more that could be added.

He in all probability has not got everything right, but he has hit the target more often than not. The man is Orient through and through yet many and you are one of the worst continually slag him off. Give it a rest for christs sake.

I'm pleased he is in the club and the role that he is doing. Can it improve? I'm sure it can, will it improve, I believe it will. Lets back the process, it worked with Justin, and I'm sure it was tweaked after the Davis failure so there is a lesson of improvement.

More importantly let's back a man who has done a bloody decent job so far.

Over to you now Martin, get this appointment right or Dis will be all over this post like a bad rash!!

Amen
That's more like the Thor we know & love

[tuffers#1]

I said he's had 4 months to do it - even start some preparations, I didn't say "he should have had the list

That's just nonsense though. The process doesn't move on until the appropriate time for that stage

You’re too caught up with 4 months ago and not in the last 4 months. He could have used that time to come up with a plan of how he’d like the team to play, whether he’d want someone to bring the youth team through, a good coach or good man manager etc.

Ross was appointed to buy time for everyone. For everyone to mourn. For everyone to assess the situation. He could have highlighted managers that fit the bill for everything he wants for Orient and gauged interest from them at any point. I’ll even give him the benefit of the doubt and say if he didn’t feel comfortable doing that behind the interim manager’s back (despite everyone knowing it wasn’t going to be long term) and wanted to give everyone a clean start and the start of the season, everyone knew by mid-August it wasn’t working out and it wouldn’t. That’s 2 months out of the 4 that he’s seemingly twiddled his thumbs.

The trouble with your post of preperation 4 months ago doesnt really stack up.

It was clear from the moment Nigel put his interview out that
He ML Ross & a couple of players were together when the decision wws discussed & then made .

Ross to be interim until the.club was ready to move on & if Ross had of been better/luckier then no need to replace. Who is to say that preperations were not made ?

Trouble with best laid plans & all that is you dont have control of outside circumstance.

We may have been ready to move for certain managers but couldnt do so because
they chose to go somewhere else or have been sounded out but said no because of the difficult circumstances of the job.

I mean think about it

Job available , reason for vacancy ;- the last chap passed away before the age of 50 .

Might be enough to make some go , hmmm not quite sure i fancy step0ing into those shoes.
A because of the circumstance &
B imagine if it happened to me

Cue response from bigsy byways or Des enrtants

" stoopid answer , course thats not going to affect a decision by someone else......"

Back to my thoughts .

Really ? If you lot think that then you really have no understanding of life personality & superstitions .

So 4 months on we are where we are .

Have a little patience & stop clogging up the board with monotonous repetitive bunkum.

[Disoriented]

Best man for the job/best option, it's semantics, you know what I meant. Guardiola was the best man for the job, but we all know he wasn't going to Orient

I'm sure there were multiple people better qualified than Davis for the job.

Exactly. Too many times Ling’s decisions have been flawed. Cannot fathom why he is treated like the messiah by some. Truly baffling.

Don't agree with you concerning ML.

1) who brought in the players that won us the league inside of 2 years
2) he appointed 2 managers 1 of which did not work, the other won us the league title and took us to a cup final
3) he has ultimate responsibility for all football matters and we have players coming through from the youth ready for first team football
4) he has set up the scout network and probably be aided by making Steve Foster the head off and built from there
5) he has sorted out the coaching staff cos let's face not much was left after bullshitti
6) he has done everything asked of him by the owners as evidenced by their praise of him frequently

There's more that could be added.

He in all probability has not got everything right, but he has hit the target more often than not. The man is Orient through and through yet many and you are one of the worst continually slag him off. Give it a rest for christs sake.

I'm pleased he is in the club and the role that he is doing. Can it improve? I'm sure it can, will it improve, I believe it will. Lets back the process, it worked with Justin, and I'm sure it was tweaked after the Davis failure so there is a lesson of improvement.

More importantly let's back a man who has done a bloody decent job so far.

Over to you now Martin, get this appointment right or Dis will be all over this post like a bad rash!!

Being Orient through and through doesn’t make you competent in your job - I don’t need to blaspheme to say that either.

‘Backing the process’ is just useless happy clappy speak for not challenging mistakes.

In the opinion of many, he hasn’t done a decent job so far, expletively described as such or not.

Pointing out obvious incompetence does not equate to slagging someone off. You do love hyperbole don’t you.

I am Orient through and through - are you? Your Stockholm Syndrome mentality would not indicate as such.

[Byways1]

Exactly. Too many times Ling’s decisions have been flawed. Cannot fathom why he is treated like the messiah by some. Truly baffling.

Don't agree with you concerning ML.

1) who brought in the players that won us the league inside of 2 years
2) he appointed 2 managers 1 of which did not work, the other won us the league title and took us to a cup final
3) he has ultimate responsibility for all football matters and we have players coming through from the youth ready for first team football
4) he has set up the scout network and probably be aided by making Steve Foster the head off and built from there
5) he has sorted out the coaching staff cos let's face not much was left after bullshitti
6) he has done everything asked of him by the owners as evidenced by their praise of him frequently

There's more that could be added.

He in all probability has not got everything right, but he has hit the target more often than not. The man is Orient through and through yet many and you are one of the worst continually slag him off. Give it a rest for christs sake.

I'm pleased he is in the club and the role that he is doing. Can it improve? I'm sure it can, will it improve, I believe it will. Lets back the process, it worked with Justin, and I'm sure it was tweaked after the Davis failure so there is a lesson of improvement.

More importantly let's back a man who has done a bloody decent job so far.

Over to you now Martin, get this appointment right or Dis will be all over this post like a bad rash!!

Being Orient through and through doesn’t make you competent in your job - I don’t need to blaspheme to say that either.

‘Backing the process’ is just useless happy clappy speak for not challenging mistakes.

In the opinion of many, he hasn’t done a decent job so far, expletively described as such or not.

Pointing out obvious incompetence does not equate to slagging someone off. You do love hyperbole don’t you.

I am Orient through and through - are you? Your Stockholm Syndrome mentality would not indicate as such.

Well said.
Never got this love in with Ling, a bloke who was sacked by the club for a year of rubbish results which would have ended in relegation if Barry hadn’t pulled the trigger.
I’ve got a strong feeling that this appointment is going to be a cheap option, someone like Hendon, Nugent or Burnett.

[Disoriented]

Don't agree with you concerning ML.

1) who brought in the players that won us the league inside of 2 years
2) he appointed 2 managers 1 of which did not work, the other won us the league title and took us to a cup final
3) he has ultimate responsibility for all football matters and we have players coming through from the youth ready for first team football
4) he has set up the scout network and probably be aided by making Steve Foster the head off and built from there
5) he has sorted out the coaching staff cos let's face not much was left after bullshitti
6) he has done everything asked of him by the owners as evidenced by their praise of him frequently

There's more that could be added.

He in all probability has not got everything right, but he has hit the target more often than not. The man is Orient through and through yet many and you are one of the worst continually slag him off. Give it a rest for christs sake.

I'm pleased he is in the club and the role that he is doing. Can it improve? I'm sure it can, will it improve, I believe it will. Lets back the process, it worked with Justin, and I'm sure it was tweaked after the Davis failure so there is a lesson of improvement.

More importantly let's back a man who has done a bloody decent job so far.

Over to you now Martin, get this appointment right or Dis will be all over this post like a bad rash!!

Being Orient through and through doesn’t make you competent in your job - I don’t need to blaspheme to say that either.

‘Backing the process’ is just useless happy clappy speak for not challenging mistakes.

In the opinion of many, he hasn’t done a decent job so far, expletively described as such or not.

Pointing out obvious incompetence does not equate to slagging someone off. You do love hyperbole don’t you.

I am Orient through and through - are you? Your Stockholm Syndrome mentality would not indicate as such.

Well said.
Never got this love in with Ling, a bloke who was sacked by the club for a year of rubbish results which would have ended in relegation if Barry hadn’t pulled the trigger.
I’ve got a strong feeling that this appointment is going to be a cheap option, someone like Hendon, Nugent or Burnett.

My source has said Darren Currie had the job if he wanted it, but the appointment was supposed to be by tomorrow. With every delay, I think Currie will turn it down and we will end up with someone like you mentioned.

One thing is for sure - it will be someone from Ling’s address book which shows a complete narrow-minded level of thinking.

[tuffers#1]

Exactly. Too many times Ling’s decisions have been flawed. Cannot fathom why he is treated like the messiah by some. Truly baffling.

Being Orient through and through doesn’t make you competent in your job - I don’t need to blaspheme to say that either.

Being orient through & through doesnt make your opinion competent

‘Backing the process’ is just useless happy clappy speak for not challenging mistakes.

Most people arent backing a process , they are regailing against blithering idiots

In the opinion of many, he hasn’t done a decent job so far, expletively described as such or not.

Appointed & a manager in 6 weeks to get a team ready for the 1st game of a season.
3 months in realised manager wasnt working, bought in the next man who steadied the ship
then cracked on with promotion. Handled the death of that man with class & dignity

Pointing out obvious incompetence does not equate to slagging someone off. You do love hyperbole don’t you.

Pointing out your own inadequacies more than anyone elses

I am Orient through and through - are you? Your Stockholm Syndrome mentality would not indicate as such.


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