Some Of You Are An Embarrassment

[Reflecto]

Our concerns about our current form have nothing to do with the tragic events of the summer. We are a newly promoted L2 team - which is struggling badly at present. None (I assume) of us want to go back to the NL and therefore our form and the quality of our coaching set-up from ML / RE downwards has come into question. If RE cannot get results with a team that won the NL last season (plus the recruits he and ML brought in) - then SOMETHING MUST BE NOT WORKING. If this doesn't change soon - our status and certainly our momentum will be at risk.

I hope it changes permanently for the better very soon - but if not - we need action soon. That means an experienced manager, who can steady the team, assess the gaps and has money to strengthen in Dec/Jan.

Nigel, Kent and Martin - need to be all over this very soon

[The Orient Hour]

I think, if we are bringing the radio show I organise into it, that (a) I was not responsible for any comment with regard to Sam Ling. (b) We are critical at times on there, but not to the levels some of you are going to
.
I mentioned on the show a few weeks back about Cheltenham, who like us won the Conference and who like us had a manager with a decent track record in Gary Johnson. They like us had a torrid start to life back in the football league, the club didn't blame Johnson, but realised several of the players were unfortunately unable to make the step up. They signed several players after Xmas and Johnson then guided them to safety.
Hopefully we won't need to have wholesale playing changes, but if we do they will be made.
The club will not be relegated.
All I am asking from some of you is to stop baying for change and give people a proper shot at the job.

[Long slender neck]

Buck stops with you for the radio show. Didn't you even defend the idiotic comments?

[Byways1]

Yes even them Redo.
Some of us older farts remember the real misery of watching the club slowly decline from 81 onward until finally a promotion at the end of that decade, in between home gates of less than 2000, wrong end of the bottom division.....the current situation is a mere blip.
The actual club is probably in the best shape its been in.

What!
Losing over 2m a year?
Yeah, best shape ever. : :

[O my gawd]

Well said Gilso.

Why? Although I would agree with the broad thrust of what he said, this clamping down on any dissent or alternative opinions is very worrying. Invoking JE’s name to add emotion to the current situation is unseemly.

Poundhill and others are entitled to their opinion - it is hardly distasteful.

It's applying pressure, or trying to spread doubt. It's all negative stuff, which isn't good. We were unlucky to get nothing yesterday, but obviously the defensive mistakes need sorting. I just think people need to rally behind Ross and be a bit patient.

Very true Andy, one particular boarder ridiculously has it in for George Marsh. Opinions are one thing, but there has been a relentless & unnecessary agenda in some cases.

[Byways1]

Whilst the intent is genuine, there really should be a case for banning drinking & posting......

I think the bottle of beer I had with Darin Burrows pre match yesterday was only the 2nd I have had this year. Rarely touch alcohol old boy.

That explains it then.
Obviously gone straight to your head Andy.

[Sid Bishop]

Our concerns about our current form have nothing to do with the tragic events of the summer. We are a newly promoted L2 team - which is struggling badly at present. None (I assume) of us want to go back to the NL and therefore our form and the quality of our coaching set-up from ML / RE downwards has come into question. If RE cannot get results with a team that won the NL last season (plus the recruits he and ML brought in) - then SOMETHING MUST BE NOT WORKING. If this doesn't change soon - our status and certainly our momentum will be at risk.

I hope it changes permanently for the better very soon - but if not - we need action soon. That means an experienced manager, who can steady the team, assess the gaps and has money to strengthen in Dec/Jan.

Nigel, Kent and Martin - need to be all over this very soon

A comment that says it as it is. We are not playing well and we have an interim manager who despite trying his best, is on the evidence so far, not up to the job. An experienced manager needs to come in and also be free to bring his own no 2 in with him if that is what he wants. We have no god given right not to get relegated and if we do not up our performances soon, we may well be down in the bottom couple of teams. Complacency is not an option.

[StockholmO]

Shameful behaviour from some of you. 17 Saturdays ago this club was rocked to its foundations by the dreadful news of Justin's passing. We, the fans lost a manager who had given us success and renewed hope. But for his Co workers, they had lost a valued colleague and friend.
Through all of this the club has had to carry on with operating, Ross ran pre season which he would have done for the most part under Justin.
Now Ross has said he will stay as interim for as long as the club want him to, I think everybody is hoping that despite having a nightmare pre season that Ross, Danny and Jobi will turn out to be successful for the club.
We've had 15 hours of league football, sure there's been some mistakes. Some from the players and I am sure Ross would admit he's s made some wrong calls too.
But it's all part of the learning process.
The club is on Yr 3 of a 3-5 Yr plan to escape non league, so we are in front of the game, this season will almost certainly be one of consolidation and rebuilding.
But for some of you to constantly undermine, harass, demand the sacking etc of our manager after 15 hours of football, after all this club has been through is in my opinion shameful,
We need unity, together we will start to improve, together we can help take the club forward.
But we need to be patient, it isn't going to happen overnight and this club will progress at a steady rate.
Now please give the man a chance, if Ross really isn't enjoying the challenge, or really doesn't want to do it long term, then he would be the one to make that call.
Please sit tight, if we are still down there xmas time then perhaps some of you may have a point, but 17 weeks after we lost Justin, no you haven't.
Up the O's, rant over.

We have a plan?

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Our concerns about our current form have nothing to do with the tragic events of the summer. We are a newly promoted L2 team - which is struggling badly at present. None (I assume) of us want to go back to the NL and therefore our form and the quality of our coaching set-up from ML / RE downwards has come into question. If RE cannot get results with a team that won the NL last season (plus the recruits he and ML brought in) - then SOMETHING MUST BE NOT WORKING. If this doesn't change soon - our status and certainly our momentum will be at risk.

I hope it changes permanently for the better very soon - but if not - we need action soon. That means an experienced manager, who can steady the team, assess the gaps and has money to strengthen in Dec/Jan.

Nigel, Kent and Martin - need to be all over this very soon

A comment that says it as it is. We are not playing well and we have an interim manager who despite trying his best, is on the evidence so far, not up to the job. An experienced manager needs to come in and also be free to bring his own no 2 in with him if that is what he wants. We have no god given right not to get relegated and if we do not up our performances soon, we may well be down in the bottom couple of teams. Complacency is not an option.

Form over the last 4 games. Equal bottom. But tough games so would like to think the only way is up.

[The Orient Hour]

Yes even them Redo.
Some of us older farts remember the real misery of watching the club slowly decline from 81 onward until finally a promotion at the end of that decade, in between home gates of less than 2000, wrong end of the bottom division.....the current situation is a mere blip.
The actual club is probably in the best shape its been in.

What!
Losing over 2m a year?
Yeah, best shape ever. : :

Your figures are wrong, loss will be less this year. Believe it or not business works on a plan and there are targets set. You will have good months and not so good ones along the way. But if you stick to a formula that you know works then you should get there.
I think it strange there are people actually inferring 2 millionaire businessman don't actually know what they're doing. I would trust their judgement tbh.
They won't be swayed by 50 or 60 vocal people on social media. They will be swayed by results overall, but they are mindful of everything that surrounded the appointment and the time needed to recover and adjust.
If they need to change things they will, but they are not trigger happy.
We had FB behaving like some of you, sacking people the moment things weren't great, look where that got us!

[BiggsyMalone]

Yes even them Redo.
Some of us older farts remember the real misery of watching the club slowly decline from 81 onward until finally a promotion at the end of that decade, in between home gates of less than 2000, wrong end of the bottom division.....the current situation is a mere blip.
The actual club is probably in the best shape its been in.

What!
Losing over 2m a year?
Yeah, best shape ever. : :

Your figures are wrong, loss will be less this year. Believe it or not business works on a plan and there are targets set. You will have good months and not so good ones along the way. But if you stick to a formula that you know works then you should get there.
I think it strange there are people actually inferring 2 millionaire businessman don't actually know what they're doing. I would trust their judgement tbh.
They won't be swayed by 50 or 60 vocal people on social media. They will be swayed by results overall, but they are mindful of everything that surrounded the appointment and the time needed to recover and adjust.
If they need to change things they will, but they are not trigger happy.
We had FB behaving like some of you, sacking people the moment things weren't great, look where that got us!

50/60 on a forum? They were booed off at half tine a couple of games ago.

[The Orient Hour]

Of course they can get booed, the same as if they perform well they get cheered.
But the majority of fans understand the unique situation we found ourselves in close season.
We couldn't appoint a new manager really, what a situation for him to walk into, it would have been nigh on impossible for him.
We went with either a Ross/Danny or a Danny/Ross partnership and they chose the former.
We have to allow a bit more time for things to turn round
As I've said, if Ross decides it's not for him then I am sure he'd make that known to Martin. But give him a chance. It really is the same usual suspects baying for blood. Seriously, let's come back in 10 games time and see where we are.

[EliotNes]

Hear hear.

This and this again

COYOs

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Of course they can get booed, the same as if they perform well they get cheered.
But the majority of fans understand the unique situation we found ourselves in close season.
We couldn't appoint a new manager really, what a situation for him to walk into, it would have been nigh on impossible for him.
We went with either a Ross/Danny or a Danny/Ross partnership and they chose the former.
We have to allow a bit more time for things to turn round
As I've said, if Ross decides it's not for him then I am sure he'd make that known to Martin. But give him a chance. It really is the same usual suspects baying for blood. Seriously, let's come back in 10 games time and see where we are.

Sorry Andy but when people say we couldn’t appoint a new manager they are talking absolute bolox. Impossible, no. Difficult yes.

The situation with JE we all agree was tragic. But let me tell you this! It is not unique by any stretch. I’m guessing some people of my age will have experienced similar tragedies in their working life, and private life, I know I have. Gut wrenching, painful. Imagine the pain of breaking the news to someone’s wife and two kids circa 5 years old!! The pain is real, the shock is real.

As tough as it is and through the tears, life goes on and decisions must be made. Management have a duty to the living as well as the dead and that is not something I’d wish on anybody. But it happens.

So the Orient Board had a choice. The word was choice. They made theirs. People everywhere are judged by their choices the Orient Board are no different.

[The Orient Hour]

Dohnut, I appreciate your point. Yes we've all had people pass away in our business and personal lives and as you say it's not easy. Obviously in some jobs the replacement has to be made immediately. I think we have a situation where its a very young workforce, not one that's a bit hardened by tragedy like us old farts, and they opted for the least upheaval, which I agree with.
You may be proved right long term and a change made, all I am saying is give them a chance and with half a season left then if a change is needed it's plenty of time to turn things around.

[PoundhillO]

Of course they can get booed, the same as if they perform well they get cheered.
But the majority of fans understand the unique situation we found ourselves in close season.
We couldn't appoint a new manager really, what a situation for him to walk into, it would have been nigh on impossible for him.
We went with either a Ross/Danny or a Danny/Ross partnership and they chose the former.
We have to allow a bit more time for things to turn round
As I've said, if Ross decides it's not for him then I am sure he'd make that known to Martin. But give him a chance. It really is the same usual suspects baying for blood. Seriously, let's come back in 10 games time and see where we are.

We simply cannot risk waiting another 10 games, as I have said before in 10 games time we could not only be bottom but also many points adrift.
In addition to this the process of interviewing for another manager and appointing an experienced proven Manager at this level, will in itself take weeks if not months, adding an even harder task for who is appointed, you cannot be seriously suggest that we see where we are in 10 games time.
The is also the financial situation with the resultant drop in home gates if we carry on as we are for this long.
Our clubs future is far too important to take a gamble for another 10 games, none of us want to be back in the National league in year 4 of the 5 year plan, my expectations are that we are in League 1 by the end of year 5 as I suspect will be the same for most supporters.

The owners have to act and they need to act now, no more lame excuses !

[Thor]

Andy, I thought Dicko’s comments were spot on and accurate. You bent over backwards to apologise when one was neither required nor warrented, it’s a opinion and a right one as it goes.

Now your going o.t.t over the interim managers role, it’s quite clear that he is out of his depth, mistake after mistake being made, I feel for RE I really do, undertaking a job in terrible circumstances and I applaud him for doing so. I also get the reasoning from the club and support their decision.

However, it’s quite clear to see this is not working, I fear he will be damaged beyond repair if this continues much longer. You can say “he will go back to his old role” the issue being the damage may be so bad that the players will not accept him as a coach again as they have lost all respect for him at that point. We are not there yet as the players are still playing for him. I hope that doesn’t happen, but this is football, this is how dressing rooms operate, just look at the old Chelsea dressing room to see what happens with player power.

We are walking a very tight rope right now, I hope it doesn’t snap.

[Sid Bishop]

Andy, I thought Dicko’s comments were spot on and accurate. You bent over backwards to apologise when one was neither required nor warrented, it’s a opinion and a right one as it goes.

Now your going o.t.t over the interim managers role, it’s quite clear that he is out of his depth, mistake after mistake being made, I feel for RE I really do, undertaking a job in terrible circumstances and I applaud him for doing so. I also get the reasoning from the club and support their decision.

However, it’s quite clear to see this is not working, I fear he will be damaged beyond repair if this continues much longer. You can say “he will go back to his old role” the issue being the damage may be so bad that the players will not accept him as a coach again as they have lost all respect for him at that point. We are not there yet as the players are still playing for him. I hope that doesn’t happen, but this is football, this is how dressing rooms operate, just look at the old Chelsea dressing room to see what happens with player power.

We are walking a very tight rope right now, I hope it doesn’t snap.

It does seem to be a rather complacent idea that if we have to wait to January to make any changes as to who is in the role of managing this club, be it interim or appointing a new full time manager. If the club does not wish to appoint a new manager yet, why not give Danny Webb more of an input, perhaps make it a dual role with Ross, cant be much worse can it. Such a pity Jobi has not got his coaching badges yet, sure he would make a good manager.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I’m wondering if this is Gilso acting on his own in an attempt to win back favour, or if someone at the club has asked him to have a word?

I don’t really frequent the other social media platforms so can’t comment on those, but I haven’t seen anything on here that warrants this sort of post. Given our position in the table and how we are playing, I think the fanbase are being reasonably restrained.

Let’s be honest, 9 times out of 10 we would have got nothing from the opening day game v Cheltenham. It’s only because of the occasion and them going down to 9 men that we scrambled the win. Without those 3 points, be position would be a more realistic reflection of where we are, and a whole lot scarier.

Most people understand and agree with the initial decision but it was only ever on an interim basis, that interim period should now be brought to a close. That’s all the moaners are saying.

[Red_Army]

I’m wondering if this is Gilso acting on his own in an attempt to win back favour, or if someone at the club has asked him to have a word?

I don’t really frequent the other social media platforms so can’t comment on those, but I haven’t seen anything on here that warrants this sort of post. Given our position in the table and how we are playing, I think the fanbase are being reasonably restrained.

Let’s be honest, 9 times out of 10 we would have got nothing from the opening day game v Cheltenham. It’s only because of the occasion and them going down to 9 men that we scrambled the win. Without those 3 points, be position would be a more realistic reflection of where we are, and a whole lot scarier.

Most people understand and agree with the initial decision but it was only ever on an interim basis, that interim period should now be brought to a close. That’s all the moaners are saying.

You can make the reverse point about most of our games though. We could have easily picked up extra points against Stevenage, Crawley, Exeter, Crewe and Colchester to name 5.

[Red_Army]

Doh desperately trying to claim that we should have appointed externally this summer in an attempt to prove his wisdom after a horrific run of being wrong for the past 5 years (probably more) is making me laugh this morning.

The interim position was a product of circumstance. I don't know whether Ross will turn out to be the right man or not, but he was certainly the right appointment. If him doing the role for 10-15 games makes it easier for the next man, then it will still be the right appointment.

The real embarrassment was the person sat behind me on Saturday who shouted 'You're clearly not playing for Justin'. I just wish I knew which one it was so I could have had words.

[DuvB]

Our concerns about our current form have nothing to do with the tragic events of the summer. We are a newly promoted L2 team - which is struggling badly at present. None (I assume) of us want to go back to the NL and therefore our form and the quality of our coaching set-up from ML / RE downwards has come into question. If RE cannot get results with a team that won the NL last season (plus the recruits he and ML brought in) - then SOMETHING MUST BE NOT WORKING. If this doesn't change soon - our status and certainly our momentum will be at risk.

I hope it changes permanently for the better very soon - but if not - we need action soon. That means an experienced manager, who can steady the team, assess the gaps and has money to strengthen in Dec/Jan.

Nigel, Kent and Martin - need to be all over this very soon

It is worth noting that Salford are only 2 points better off than us right now and they have spent reputedly much more than us. Are they panicking like some of our fans?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I’m wondering if this is Gilso acting on his own in an attempt to win back favour, or if someone at the club has asked him to have a word?

I don’t really frequent the other social media platforms so can’t comment on those, but I haven’t seen anything on here that warrants this sort of post. Given our position in the table and how we are playing, I think the fanbase are being reasonably restrained.

Let’s be honest, 9 times out of 10 we would have got nothing from the opening day game v Cheltenham. It’s only because of the occasion and them going down to 9 men that we scrambled the win. Without those 3 points, be position would be a more realistic reflection of where we are, and a whole lot scarier.

Most people understand and agree with the initial decision but it was only ever on an interim basis, that interim period should now be brought to a close. That’s all the moaners are saying.

You can make the reverse point about most of our games though. We could have easily picked up extra points against Stevenage, Crawley, Exeter, Crewe and Colchester to name 5.

I expected this point from someone when I started talking about what if's!

We could have, I agree, but we didn't. And that's part of the problem - fine margins always go against the teams in trouble.

Take Colchester, yeah we could have come away with a point I guess, Dennis had a couple of half chance volleys, Alabi had one (altho he was at least 10 yards out, so maybe a quarter chance) but we wouldn't have deserved it.

The only reason I've referenced Cheltenham isn't that we lost, so supports my argument, but was such a unique game for obvious reasons.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Doh desperately trying to claim that we should have appointed externally this summer in an attempt to prove his wisdom after a horrific run of being wrong for the past 5 years (probably more) is making me laugh this morning.

The interim position was a product of circumstance. I don't know whether Ross will turn out to be the right man or not, but he was certainly the right appointment. If him doing the role for 10-15 games makes it easier for the next man, then it will still be the right appointment.

The real embarrassment was the person sat behind me on Saturday who shouted 'You're clearly not playing for Justin'. I just wish I knew which one it was so I could have had words.

Not sure I agree it's funny but yep, he's idiotic. The decision taken by the club was perfectly understandable, and probably the only course of action open to the club.

[Byways1]

Yes even them Redo.
Some of us older farts remember the real misery of watching the club slowly decline from 81 onward until finally a promotion at the end of that decade, in between home gates of less than 2000, wrong end of the bottom division.....the current situation is a mere blip.
The actual club is probably in the best shape its been in.

What!
Losing over 2m a year?
Yeah, best shape ever. : :

Your figures are wrong, loss will be less this year. Believe it or not business works on a plan and there are targets set. You will have good months and not so good ones along the way. But if you stick to a formula that you know works then you should get there.
I think it strange there are people actually inferring 2 millionaire businessman don't actually know what they're doing. I would trust their judgement tbh.
They won't be swayed by 50 or 60 vocal people on social media. They will be swayed by results overall, but they are mindful of everything that surrounded the appointment and the time needed to recover and adjust.
If they need to change things they will, but they are not trigger happy.
We had FB behaving like some of you, sacking people the moment things weren't great, look where that got us!

Wrong again Andy
How embarrassing.
And the loses are huge, about 1.9 m predicted.
And when has football been a business
It’s a rich mans toy until they get bored.
Why do you think these “
Businesses “ get into trouble when the benefactor pulls the plug.