Some Of You Are An Embarrassment

[The Orient Hour]

Shameful behaviour from some of you. 17 Saturdays ago this club was rocked to its foundations by the dreadful news of Justin's passing. We, the fans lost a manager who had given us success and renewed hope. But for his Co workers, they had lost a valued colleague and friend.
Through all of this the club has had to carry on with operating, Ross ran pre season which he would have done for the most part under Justin.
Now Ross has said he will stay as interim for as long as the club want him to, I think everybody is hoping that despite having a nightmare pre season that Ross, Danny and Jobi will turn out to be successful for the club.
We've had 15 hours of league football, sure there's been some mistakes. Some from the players and I am sure Ross would admit he's s made some wrong calls too.
But it's all part of the learning process.
The club is on Yr 3 of a 3-5 Yr plan to escape non league, so we are in front of the game, this season will almost certainly be one of consolidation and rebuilding.
But for some of you to constantly undermine, harass, demand the sacking etc of our manager after 15 hours of football, after all this club has been through is in my opinion shameful,
We need unity, together we will start to improve, together we can help take the club forward.
But we need to be patient, it isn't going to happen overnight and this club will progress at a steady rate.
Now please give the man a chance, if Ross really isn't enjoying the challenge, or really doesn't want to do it long term, then he would be the one to make that call.
Please sit tight, if we are still down there xmas time then perhaps some of you may have a point, but 17 weeks after we lost Justin, no you haven't.
Up the O's, rant over.

[Howling Mad Murdock]

Hear hear.

[PoundhillO]

Shameful behaviour from some of you. 17 Saturdays ago this club was rocked to its foundations by the dreadful news of Justin's passing. We, the fans lost a manager who had given us success and renewed hope. But for his Co workers, they had lost a valued colleague and friend.
Through all of this the club has had to carry on with operating, Ross ran pre season which he would have done for the most part under Justin.
Now Ross has said he will stay as interim for as long as the club want him to, I think everybody is hoping that despite having a nightmare pre season that Ross, Danny and Jobi will turn out to be successful for the club.
We've had 15 hours of league football, sure there's been some mistakes. Some from the players and I am sure Ross would admit he's s made some wrong calls too.
But it's all part of the learning process.
The club is on Yr 3 of a 3-5 Yr plan to escape non league, so we are in front of the game, this season will almost certainly be one of consolidation and rebuilding.
But for some of you to constantly undermine, harass, demand the sacking etc of our manager after 15 hours of football, after all this club has been through is in my opinion shameful,
We need unity, together we will start to improve, together we can help take the club forward.
But we need to be patient, it isn't going to happen overnight and this club will progress at a steady rate.
Now please give the man a chance, if Ross really isn't enjoying the challenge, or really doesn't want to do it long term, then he would be the one to make that call.
Please sit tight, if we are still down there xmas time then perhaps some of you may have a point, but 17 weeks after we lost Justin, no you haven't.
Up the O's, rant over.

Yes we are in year 3 of a 5 year plan but action needs to be taken quickly to stop year 4 of the 5 year planning being back in the National league , to do otherwise would be extremely neglectful and a slap in the face to all O’s supporters.

[RedDwarf 1881]

Shameful behaviour from some of you. 17 Saturdays ago this club was rocked to its foundations by the dreadful news of Justin's passing. We, the fans lost a manager who had given us success and renewed hope. But for his Co workers, they had lost a valued colleague and friend.
Through all of this the club has had to carry on with operating, Ross ran pre season which he would have done for the most part under Justin.
Now Ross has said he will stay as interim for as long as the club want him to, I think everybody is hoping that despite having a nightmare pre season that Ross, Danny and Jobi will turn out to be successful for the club.
We've had 15 hours of league football, sure there's been some mistakes. Some from the players and I am sure Ross would admit he's s made some wrong calls too.
But it's all part of the learning process.
The club is on Yr 3 of a 3-5 Yr plan to escape non league, so we are in front of the game, this season will almost certainly be one of consolidation and rebuilding.
But for some of you to constantly undermine, harass, demand the sacking etc of our manager after 15 hours of football, after all this club has been through is in my opinion shameful,
We need unity, together we will start to improve, together we can help take the club forward.
But we need to be patient, it isn't going to happen overnight and this club will progress at a steady rate.
Now please give the man a chance, if Ross really isn't enjoying the challenge, or really doesn't want to do it long term, then he would be the one to make that call.
Please sit tight, if we are still down there xmas time then perhaps some of you may have a point, but 17 weeks after we lost Justin, no you haven't.
Up the O's, rant over.

While I agree with what you've said absolutely nobody on here has said Ross should be sacked nor should he be . If and when a new manager comes in ,Ross , Danny and Jobi will just revert back to their original rolls . Nobody is being sacked .

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Embarrassing post.

[Proposition Joe]

Well said Gilso.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Well said Gilso.

What, even the ‘undermine, harass and demand sackings’ bit?

[The Orient Hour]

Yes even them Redo.
Some of us older farts remember the real misery of watching the club slowly decline from 81 onward until finally a promotion at the end of that decade, in between home gates of less than 2000, wrong end of the bottom division.....the current situation is a mere blip.
The actual club is probably in the best shape its been in.

[tuffers#1]

Some of those complaining used to get slung out of the West side at 3.15 every Saturday ,

You could set your watch by them being marched out by plod from the west stand across the North terrace

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Some of us older farts remember the real misery of watching the club slowly decline from 81 onward until finally a promotion at the end of that decade, in between home gates of less than 2000

Is this the sort of fan-up-manship you were talking about,PJ?

[LittleMate]

Whilst the intent is genuine, there really should be a case for banning drinking & posting......

[Stowaway]

Yes even them Redo.
Some of us older farts remember the real misery of watching the club slowly decline from 81 onward until finally a promotion at the end of that decade, in between home gates of less than 2000, wrong end of the bottom division.....the current situation is a mere blip.
The actual club is probably in the best shape its been in.

Yes, it’s a sh*t situation we found ourselves in close-season, but we have to deal with it and be hard-nosed about it. I think the club was placed in an almost impossible situation regarding JE’s replacement and appointing Embleton was probably the right thing to do at the time. However, the club is bigger than one man and we cannot allow all the hard work of last season to be undone by sentiment. It’s pretty clear that the loss of Justin hit the players hard, but we have to move on. Imagine if Edinburgh had left rather than died, and Embleton had been appointed manager. By now we’d probably been saying that it wasn’t the right move. The club can not afford to be too sentimental.
As much as I understand why Embleton was given the job, I feel that he was given it on the understanding that if it didn’t work out then he’d be expected to stand aside for the reason I gave earlier - we can’t afford to waste last years efforts. It’s pretty clear that things aren’t working out and already the fans are getting frustrated at situation, and something will need to be done sooner rather than later.
Ok, some people are going a bit over the top about it, but this is footy fans we’re talking about.

[Beradogs]

You can’t compare gates back then to now because football has become exponentially more popular. No London club has lower gates then than now. The majority far higher. In my opinion, with London becoming one of the great global cities in the last 20 or 30 years and with our club based in the middle of it, our performance has been nothing short of shocking. We have gone nowhere. Well, backwards if you think we used to be a regular championship club. This is nothing to do with the new owners, of course. We were in the brink. I will be forever grateful. But you can’t blame orient fans for being somewhat fed up with what is now a generation, getting on for two, of being down in the basement. Selling our home grown players off the minute they show promise etc etc. We are just stuck on a never ending cycle of going nowhere. It’s frustrating and is there are any real sign that will change.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Sorry guys, I don’t get your point here.

Anyone has seen us first hand this season will realise the trouble the team is in. It’s not even just the stats as we hit the quarter way stage - 21st in the table, conceded more goals than all but one team, just 2 wins from 10 - it’s the manner of the performances. I’ve seen this many times before, at Orient, at our opponents, even at teams I’ve played in, this isn’t going to turn itself around with a little bit of time and patience. The players have no belief in themselves, there’s no direction, good players are suddenly looking bad. Just as our bad players suddenly looked good under Justin.

Ross isn’t the man for the job.

[Max B Gold]

Sorry guys, I don’t get your point here.

Anyone has seen us first hand this season will realise the trouble the team is in. It’s not even just the stats as we hit the quarter way stage - 21st in the table, conceded more goals than all but one team, just 2 wins from 10 - it’s the manner of the performances. I’ve seen this many times before, at Orient, at our opponents, even at teams I’ve played in, this isn’t going to turn itself around with a little bit of time and patience. The players have no belief in themselves, there’s no direction, good players are suddenly looking bad. Just as our bad players suddenly looked good under Justin.

Ross isn’t the man for the job.

It was the wrong call in the first place. What we needed was the leadership, authority and direction a new manager would have given us.

[SouthStandDonut]

Shameful behaviour from some of you. 17 Saturdays ago this club was rocked to its foundations by the dreadful news of Justin's passing. We, the fans lost a manager who had given us success and renewed hope. But for his Co workers, they had lost a valued colleague and friend.
Through all of this the club has had to carry on with operating, Ross ran pre season which he would have done for the most part under Justin.
Now Ross has said he will stay as interim for as long as the club want him to, I think everybody is hoping that despite having a nightmare pre season that Ross, Danny and Jobi will turn out to be successful for the club.
We've had 15 hours of league football, sure there's been some mistakes. Some from the players and I am sure Ross would admit he's s made some wrong calls too.
But it's all part of the learning process.
The club is on Yr 3 of a 3-5 Yr plan to escape non league, so we are in front of the game, this season will almost certainly be one of consolidation and rebuilding.
But for some of you to constantly undermine, harass, demand the sacking etc of our manager after 15 hours of football, after all this club has been through is in my opinion shameful,
We need unity, together we will start to improve, together we can help take the club forward.
But we need to be patient, it isn't going to happen overnight and this club will progress at a steady rate.
Now please give the man a chance, if Ross really isn't enjoying the challenge, or really doesn't want to do it long term, then he would be the one to make that call.
Please sit tight, if we are still down there xmas time then perhaps some of you may have a point, but 17 weeks after we lost Justin, no you haven't.
Up the O's, rant over.

Well said andy

[Red_Army]

Sorry guys, I don’t get your point here.

Anyone has seen us first hand this season will realise the trouble the team is in. It’s not even just the stats as we hit the quarter way stage - 21st in the table, conceded more goals than all but one team, just 2 wins from 10 - it’s the manner of the performances. I’ve seen this many times before, at Orient, at our opponents, even at teams I’ve played in, this isn’t going to turn itself around with a little bit of time and patience. The players have no belief in themselves, there’s no direction, good players are suddenly looking bad. Just as our bad players suddenly looked good under Justin.

Ross isn’t the man for the job.

Disagree. I think the performances have been better than the results. 8 of the 10 games have been a draw or seperated by a single goal. We're not far off veing very competitive at this level. The slight improvement needes might just be a bit of luck that gives us the confidence to go on a run, or a new manager- let's wait and see.

[The Orient Hour]

Whilst the intent is genuine, there really should be a case for banning drinking & posting......

I think the bottle of beer I had with Darin Burrows pre match yesterday was only the 2nd I have had this year. Rarely touch alcohol old boy.

[Disoriented]

Well said Gilso.

Why? Although I would agree with the broad thrust of what he said, this clamping down on any dissent or alternative opinions is very worrying. Invoking JE’s name to add emotion to the current situation is unseemly.

Poundhill and others are entitled to their opinion - it is hardly distasteful.

[The Orient Hour]

Well said Gilso.

Why? Although I would agree with the broad thrust of what he said, this clamping down on any dissent or alternative opinions is very worrying. Invoking JE’s name to add emotion to the current situation is unseemly.

Poundhill and others are entitled to their opinion - it is hardly distasteful.

It's applying pressure, or trying to spread doubt. It's all negative stuff, which isn't good. We were unlucky to get nothing yesterday, but obviously the defensive mistakes need sorting. I just think people need to rally behind Ross and be a bit patient.

[BiggsyMalone]

You were given the benefit of the doubt over the comments about Ling the other week but seems like you're well and truly suckling on the cocks of the board and Ling. People paid for season tickets, they go home and away all over the country, they're entitled to their opinion on how the team and coaching staff are performing. You can call for unity all you want but why should we accept this crap week in week out? Everyone knew 5 at the back doesn't work, it took him how long to change that? The defence is all over the place and shows no signs of improving, if anything, it's getting worse.

After 15 hours of football, this team should be settled. This team shouldn't make stupid mistakes at the back. This team should be able to hold their position or be tactically aware enough to fill in without leaving anything exposed. After 15 hours of football should be getting better, not worse.

I like Ross. I like his passion but he is a coach, an assistant manager. It hasn't worked out and it won't work out. Take the pressure off of him and get him back to what he does best.

To use Justin's death to emphasise your point is a shithouse move.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Anyone who thinks we were unlucky yesterday is having a laugh. We were an embarrassment first half, from the very first minute, and it was only their keeper throwing one in that let us back in the game.

I accept that second half we were fairly equal with a bang average Col Utd side who were content to let us have the ball, defend their lead and hit us on the break.

[LittleMate]

Whilst the intent is genuine, there really should be a case for banning drinking & posting......

I think the bottle of beer I had with Darin Burrows pre match yesterday was only the 2nd I have had this year. Rarely touch alcohol old boy.

Then Andy don't let it get to you so much. It's a forum and the views on here are not always representative. If Darin Burrow was a shameless name drop then it was lost on this old fella btw!

[Long slender neck]

Well said Gilso.

Why? Although I would agree with the broad thrust of what he said, this clamping down on any dissent or alternative opinions is very worrying. Invoking JE’s name to add emotion to the current situation is unseemly.

Poundhill and others are entitled to their opinion - it is hardly distasteful.

It's applying pressure, or trying to spread doubt. It's all negative stuff, which isn't good. We were unlucky to get nothing yesterday, but obviously the defensive mistakes need sorting. I just think people need to rally behind Ross and be a bit patient.

Are you the same guy whos radio show publically slagged off Sam Ling?

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Shameful behaviour from some of you. 17 Saturdays ago this club was rocked to its foundations by the dreadful news of Justin's passing. We, the fans lost a manager who had given us success and renewed hope. But for his Co workers, they had lost a valued colleague and friend.
Through all of this the club has had to carry on with operating, Ross ran pre season which he would have done for the most part under Justin.
Now Ross has said he will stay as interim for as long as the club want him to, I think everybody is hoping that despite having a nightmare pre season that Ross, Danny and Jobi will turn out to be successful for the club.
We've had 15 hours of league football, sure there's been some mistakes. Some from the players and I am sure Ross would admit he's s made some wrong calls too.
But it's all part of the learning process.
The club is on Yr 3 of a 3-5 Yr plan to escape non league, so we are in front of the game, this season will almost certainly be one of consolidation and rebuilding.
But for some of you to constantly undermine, harass, demand the sacking etc of our manager after 15 hours of football, after all this club has been through is in my opinion shameful,
We need unity, together we will start to improve, together we can help take the club forward.
But we need to be patient, it isn't going to happen overnight and this club will progress at a steady rate.
Now please give the man a chance, if Ross really isn't enjoying the challenge, or really doesn't want to do it long term, then he would be the one to make that call.
Please sit tight, if we are still down there xmas time then perhaps some of you may have a point, but 17 weeks after we lost Justin, no you haven't.
Up the O's, rant over.

Justin left the club with a huge legacy. A club in the best shape I can remember for many a year. A real feel good factor. Together with the owners we saw a bright future. His passing we all know was unfair, a tragedy for many reasons, Orient being just one.

But as we all know for Orient life goes on. No matter what the hurt, life goes on and there is nothing you nor I, the owners, players or fans can do about that. The league started on the same date, the fixtures didn’t change and games will be won, drawn and lost. That is the fact of the situation, like it or not and that situation must be managed.

The club have a duty in my opinion to respect and build on the Justin legacy. The fans, attendances and ST/kit sales certainly are trying. Therefore the only question is whether the board feel the decisions they have taken are building on the legacy or eroding it. Worst case scenario is relegation, this destroys the legacy completely. But that is unlikely. A modest season and most of us will accept consolidation is part of the building process. Doubt many expect miracles. Most I’m sure are realistic.

So are we building on the legacy. Not in my opinion, far from it in fact. The legacy is not just the board, the players, the management but us fans too. We are doing our bit! Don’t tell me we are not because that is just bolox. One of the best supported teams in L2. The fans are doing their bit, the management and Board need to do theirs, that is the fact of the current situation.

I sincerely hope Ross comes good. I’ve voiced my opinion that, barring hitting the relegation zone or Ross himself deciding to go he will get the season to prove his ability, probably part of next too. But it’s unrealistic to expect fans to remain silent when we witness what has been in all honesty a shambles on the pitch, flirting close to the bottom. We have a right to express our concerns, it’s our legacy too and that should be damn well remembered.