The trans debate

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Max has cast his Friday bait

[Max B Gold]

I'm always up for a debait on this issue.

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Trans people still dying folks

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y920n0zj4o

[George M]

Trans people still dying folks

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y920n0zj4o

In this instance, good news.

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Scotland in the news again, row over an NHS changing room. Basically a nurse was suspended for bullying because she objected to a trans woman doctor being in the female changing room

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx07xdpw5o

Quite shockingly the doctor told the court that biological sex was a "nebulous term which doesn't really mean anything".

[StillSpike]

Scotland in the news again, row over an NHS changing room. Basically a nurse was suspended for bullying because she objected to a trans woman doctor being in the female changing room

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx07xdpw5o

Quite shockingly the doctor told the court that biological sex was a "nebulous term which doesn't really mean anything".

I've been following that one quite closely as it's my local hospital. I think NHS Fife are going to get slaughtered. They've really dropped a bollock with this. The Doc is also a whacko and is making stuff up to bolster their case. The health board have also just attempted to start a separate disciplinary case against the nurse, for actions they've already asserted to be true in this tribunal (despite not yet having the disciplinary investigation yet). Feels like they're at the bottom of a hole and are still digging.

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Scotland in the news again, row over an NHS changing room. Basically a nurse was suspended for bullying because she objected to a trans woman doctor being in the female changing room

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx07xdpw5o

Quite shockingly the doctor told the court that biological sex was a "nebulous term which doesn't really mean anything".

Have they got the photos the right way round in that article?

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Scotland in the news again, row over an NHS changing room. Basically a nurse was suspended for bullying because she objected to a trans woman doctor being in the female changing room

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx07xdpw5o

Quite shockingly the doctor told the court that biological sex was a "nebulous term which doesn't really mean anything".

I've been following that one quite closely as it's my local hospital. I think NHS Fife are going to get slaughtered. They've really dropped a bollock with this. The Doc is also a whacko and is making stuff up to bolster their case. The health board have also just attempted to start a separate disciplinary case against the nurse, for actions they've already asserted to be true in this tribunal (despite not yet having the disciplinary investigation yet). Feels like they're at the bottom of a hole and are still digging.

NHS guidance states that trans men and women are allowed to use the changing rooms that align with their gender identity.

Seems to me that some people wont be comfortable with these sort of policies and it puts both sides in an awkward position.

No idea about the legality of it. What have you seen to think the doc is a whacko? One bbc article says the nurse likes Trump, so maybe they're both whackos.

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The NHS board that allowed a transgender doctor to use a women’s changing room in a hospital failed to conduct a legally required assessment about the impact on its female employees.

And the doc didnt have a gender recognition certificate either.

Yep, they've screwed up.

[Max B Gold]

Scotland in the news again, row over an NHS changing room. Basically a nurse was suspended for bullying because she objected to a trans woman doctor being in the female changing room

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gx07xdpw5o

Quite shockingly the doctor told the court that biological sex was a "nebulous term which doesn't really mean anything".

I've been following that one quite closely as it's my local hospital. I think NHS Fife are going to get slaughtered. They've really dropped a bollock with this. The Doc is also a whacko and is making stuff up to bolster their case. The health board have also just attempted to start a separate disciplinary case against the nurse, for actions they've already asserted to be true in this tribunal (despite not yet having the disciplinary investigation yet). Feels like they're at the bottom of a hole and are still digging.

I haven't been following it as its not my local hospital but I did hear about it on the news and read it in the papers.

Sounds like the nurse is a bit of a bigot and appears to have started the ball rolling, NHS Fife have not followed their own procedures and the doctor is a bit nutty and has an unorthodox approach to medical science.

That is all. More later I'm sure.

[StillSpike]

Doc has also claimed that the nurse left a patient alone because she didn't want to be in the same cubicle as the Doc. Trouble is this claim was made months after the supposed event.

IF she had left a patient in those circs, then it was a very serious matter, and the doc was duty bound to report it immediately. They didn't, so either a) it didn't happen, in which case making up such a claim to get a nurse fired is pretty appalling, or b) it did happen, in which case WTF was the doc doing not reporting it as it would have endangered a patient. Can't have it both ways.

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Lock them all in a changing room until they can agree to be friends.

[Story of O]

Male or female changing room?

[Max B Gold]

Doc has also claimed that the nurse left a patient alone because she didn't want to be in the same cubicle as the Doc. Trouble is this claim was made months after the supposed event.

IF she had left a patient in those circs, then it was a very serious matter, and the doc was duty bound to report it immediately. They didn't, so either a) it didn't happen, in which case making up such a claim to get a nurse fired is pretty appalling, or b) it did happen, in which case WTF was the doc doing not reporting it as it would have endangered a patient. Can't have it both ways.

Or c) Was being kind and didn't want to get the nurse into trouble by being a grass.

[StillSpike]

Doc has also claimed that the nurse left a patient alone because she didn't want to be in the same cubicle as the Doc. Trouble is this claim was made months after the supposed event.

IF she had left a patient in those circs, then it was a very serious matter, and the doc was duty bound to report it immediately. They didn't, so either a) it didn't happen, in which case making up such a claim to get a nurse fired is pretty appalling, or b) it did happen, in which case WTF was the doc doing not reporting it as it would have endangered a patient. Can't have it both ways.

Or c) Was being kind and didn't want to get the nurse into trouble by being a grass.

Not sure "not wanting to be a grass" is allowed in medical circles.

[Max B Gold]

Doc has also claimed that the nurse left a patient alone because she didn't want to be in the same cubicle as the Doc. Trouble is this claim was made months after the supposed event.

IF she had left a patient in those circs, then it was a very serious matter, and the doc was duty bound to report it immediately. They didn't, so either a) it didn't happen, in which case making up such a claim to get a nurse fired is pretty appalling, or b) it did happen, in which case WTF was the doc doing not reporting it as it would have endangered a patient. Can't have it both ways.

Or c) Was being kind and didn't want to get the nurse into trouble by being a grass.

Not sure "not wanting to be a grass" is allowed in medical circles.

No it isnt but closing ranks and operating medical issues omerta is. It's just a different name for poshos.

[StillSpike]

Or c) Was being kind and didn't want to get the nurse into trouble by being a grass.

Not sure "not wanting to be a grass" is allowed in medical circles.

No it isnt but closing ranks and operating medical issues omerta is. It's just a different name for poshos.

Oh I agree it goes on, but I really, really, don't believe that Dr Upton didn't report it out of some sort of compassion. Consider these 2 situations:

1) the "bigot" nurse puts a patient in danger because of her anti-trans position and hurts the doctors feelings.
2) the "bigot" nurse hurts the doctor's feelings in the changing room (while attempting to clean herself up from a menstruation emergency)

The doctor immediately reports one of those.

I don't think kindness comes into it.

[Max B Gold]

So she gave her a second chance. Another act of kindness.

[StillSpike]

So she gave her a second chance. Another act of kindness.

In itself this should be a serious disciplinary case against the Doc. (and the nurse, I guess, for not reporting that the doc had not reported her)

[Max B Gold]

Indeed, but dont forget the nurse is already in the frame for leaving the patient on her own.

I wouldn't expect the nurse to compound her situation by grassing herself up.

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I think this is real but I'm not sure. The intersectionality is off the scale...

Queer canine becomings: Lesbian feminist cyborg politics and interspecies intimacies in ecologies of love and violence

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 73971?src=

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Your search history must be off the scale.

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Bit worried to click that link.

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Bit worried to click that link.

It's a tough read but it's safe. No pictures.

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