BP - profits before climate

[Dunners]

So may as well not bother, eh?

In terms of any UK effort having a noticeable global effect - no.

In terms of the UK leading by example and encouraging China, India, Nigeria et al to massively reduce consumption (LOL) - no.

In terms of keeping our own land green and pleasant- yes.

In terms of increasing our own independent energy sources - yes.

[Dunners]

Anyway, by the end of this century a massive reduction in global consumption will happen anyway. You just need to look at the global fertility rate and population forecast charts. Unfortunately the climate models used in the UN report didn't factor in population reduction, as it's only recently being thought about in that sector.

Time will take care of this issue so long as we don't f*ck things up too much.

[Dunners]

Also, picking up on a theme in this thread....

The Government is generally reliable at identifying problems. What it can be less reliable at is identifying the best solutions. I say that as someone who has encountered many flawed solutions imposed by planning etc in residential construction. Once an idea gains traction, the politicians all fall in line.

I still chuckle at when bio-fuel heat and hot water systems were all the rage. Sure, the published figures all showed that they were going to be so much better than conventional boiler systems. But, it turned out, that chopping down a forest in Poland to turn it into wood chip and then transport it across Europe to a heat a sh*tty block of flats in Croydon isn't actually worth it. There's thousands of buildings to this day with redundant plant in their basement, as everyone just switched to conventional instead.

The next bullsh*t tech solution to watch out for are ground source heat pumps. They are never going to be viable in this country's built environment. But that's not going to stop this or any other government as the idea has now gained traction as "the solution'.

[Max B Gold]

Also, picking up on a theme in this thread....

The Government is generally reliable at identifying problems. What it can be less reliable at is identifying the best solutions. I say that as someone who has encountered many flawed solutions imposed by planning etc in residential construction. Once an idea gains traction, the politicians all fall in line.

I still chuckle at when bio-fuel heat and hot water systems were all the rage. Sure, the published figures all showed that they were going to be so much better than conventional boiler systems. But, it turned out, that chopping down a forest in Poland to turn it into wood chip and then transport it across Europe to a heat a sh*tty block of flats in Croydon isn't actually worth it. There's thousands of buildings to this day with redundant plant in their basement, as everyone just switched to conventional instead.

The next bullsh*t tech solution to watch out for are ground source heat pumps. They are never going to be viable in this country's built environment. But that's not going to stop this or any other government as the idea has now gained traction as "the solution'.

A bitter, bitter man.

Wotcha got against heat pumps?

[Long slender neck]

Yeah I'm not convinced about heat pumps. Requires too much work (insulation, new rads etc) and I don't understand how it provides hot water.

[Max B Gold]

An interesting read about BPs plan to assist the capitalists to wreck the planet

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/202 ... humankind/

[StillSpike]

Yeah I'm not convinced about heat pumps. Requires too much work (insulation, new rads etc) and I don't understand how it provides hot water.

We got an Air Source Heat Pump installed last year, plus all the insulation and new heaters. House is lovely and warm now.

Do you mean you don't understand how it provides hot water in particular or how it provides any heat?

[Long slender neck]

Hot water out of the taps. I have only ever lived with combi boilers which have given me hot water on demand. How much did it all cost?

Last boiler I got about 5 years ago cost me about £1885 and came with a ten year guarantee.

[Dunners]

Air source is different to ground source. Both can have their uses, but are not universal. If you're considering any type of heat pump then start here:

https://www.gov.uk/check-heat-pump

[Long slender neck]

A hybrid heat pump (heat pump and a conventional boiler) looks doable.

[StillSpike]

Hot water out of the taps. I have only ever lived with combi boilers which have given me hot water on demand. How much did it all cost?

Last boiler I got about 5 years ago cost me about £1885 and came with a ten year guarantee.

The heat pump is outside and creates heat like a fridge but in reverse - it compresses refrigerant which then takes "heat" from the outside air (even down to -20) and then expands - giving off the energy to heat up water. The water flows into the house to the internal unit. This then directs some of the hot water through a coil inside the domestic hot water tank - heating up the water for the taps (think of the coil of hot water like an immersion heater). The rest of the hot water from the pump is directed through the radiator system.

The hot water tank is really well insulated and holds more water than we need at any one time. It's constantly there - even when we have a power cut that shuts down the rest of the system, we have hot water on demand from the tank.

I think the whole lot - including solar panels and a battery, would have cost about £35K or so. We didn't have to pay as we're off-grid here (using LPG tank gas), and are tenants. We qualified for a scheme where the council pays for the whole lot - except the battery, which the landlord paid for. Technically, the whole lot (minus battery) belongs to me, the tenant, as it was I who qualified for the grant, rather than the house, but I guess if we were to leave, then the landlord has gained all that extra value for nothing. (If we were to leave in bad terms, then I guess I could take it all with me!)

[RedDwarf 1881]

What happens if somebody doesn't have the space for a massive electric heat pump and can't afford it anyway ?

[RedDwarf 1881]

We account for 0.8% of world emissions, China 34%

But if we get our number down to 0% then China might change their behaviour, right?

Really ? They are seemingly opening up a coal fire power station on a regular basis so I doubt they would care what we do . Look , we all want clean air to breathe but going all electric isn't the answer . It's the con of the century which is only going to line the pockets of share holders in Electricity companies . Oh, and if the national grid goes down we're all royally fcuked.. Anyway , where is my new power point outside my house for the new all electric car I'm eventually going to be forced to buy .?

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

You are incapable of reading tone in a post, aren’t you?

[RedDwarf 1881]

You are incapable of reading tone in a post, aren’t you?

Like most on here .I try and make a joke on another thread and it's taken seriously .

[Long slender neck]

We account for 0.8% of world emissions, China 34%

But if we get our number down to 0% then China might change their behaviour, right?

Really ? They are seemingly opening up a coal fire power station on a regular basis so I doubt they would care what we do . Look , we all want clean air to breathe but going all electric isn't the answer . It's the con of the century which is only going to line the pockets of share holders in Electricity companies . Oh, and if the national grid goes down we're all royally fcuked.. Anyway , where is my new power point outside my house for the new all electric car I'm eventually going to be forced to buy .?

Why is it a con?

How will you be forced to buy an EV?

[RedDwarf 1881]

We account for 0.8% of world emissions, China 34%

But if we get our number down to 0% then China might change their behaviour, right?

Really ? They are seemingly opening up a coal fire power station on a regular basis so I doubt they would care what we do . Look , we all want clean air to breathe but going all electric isn't the answer . It's the con of the century which is only going to line the pockets of share holders in Electricity companies . Oh, and if the national grid goes down we're all royally fcuked.. Anyway , where is my new power point outside my house for the new all electric car I'm eventually going to be forced to buy .?

Why is it a con?

How will you be forced to buy an EV?

Because going all electric isn't the answer and will cost us all a fortune in new electric cars and virtually all forms of energy . Somebody is going to make a mint out of this .
If there isn't any new petrol or diesel car available then that only leaves electric . People who hang onto the old l cars will get taxed to the hilt to " persuade" them to scrap them .Shareholders of companies like EDF will be rubbing their hands together .

[StillSpike]

So maybe the real target for your ire should be that the provision and distribution of such a basic necessity as electricity has been placed in the hands of shareholders, instead of retained for the common wealth?

[Long slender neck]

Why arent EVs 'the answer'? What is the answer?

[RedDwarf 1881]

So maybe the real target for your ire should be that the provision and distribution of such a basic necessity as electricity has been placed in the hands of shareholders, instead of retained for the common wealth?

Yeah , well I've already said a few times I'm against privatisation

[Long slender neck]

Generate your own electric with some solar panels.

Dont suppose you are generating your own petrol currently?

[StillSpike]

[George M]

Some good news.