Labour Watch

[Currywurst and Chips]

Yes




No

[Long slender neck]

I'd like to know how DohO would raise money.

[Hoover Attack]

Yes




No

Whatever you think of David and his politics, calling him white saviour is not on.

[BoniO]

I'd like to know how DohO would raise money.

Naked pole dancing?

[George M]

Population to increase by 5 million in the next ten years. What for ? We have no growth. No new schools , hospitals, will be built. What exactly will these people do , wash more cars , serve even more expensive coffee , sell more copies of the big issue.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Those McMuffins ain’t going to deliver themselves George

[George M]

And I am partial to the occasional one. Ignore my last post

[Dunners]

The Boris Johnson government openly admitted to mass migration as a control against domestic wage inflation. The Sunak and Starmer governments have continued with that policy.

And here's the thing (for those of you who are thinking it); even a Reform UK-led government would do the same.

[Currywurst and Chips]

But BBC verify told me immigration does not hold wages down?

[George M]

I have to agree with Trump on this. We need a temporary pause in immigration until we have a clear plan and a path forward. If we have no growth, what wage inflation are we controlling. I’m not against immigration but there has to be a reason for it. How will an additional 5 million people benefit our appalling and failing infrastructure . What long term plans are in place to improve our transport systems, schools , hospitals, police force , housing stock.

[Max B Gold]

But BBC verify told me immigration does not hold wages down?

Not true. Besides it's not them saying it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46918729

[Currywurst and Chips]

But BBC verify told me immigration does not hold wages down?

Not true. Besides it's not them saying it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46918729

What isn’t true and who isn’t saying what?

[Max B Gold]

If you read it all will be revealed.

[George M]

We don’t want wages held down. We want a modern , growing, and prosperous economy where people can be paid what they deserve.

[Max B Gold]

We don’t want wages held down. We want a modern , growing, and prosperous economy where people can be paid what they deserve.

Does that mean we should cap the earnings of the millionaire and billionare?

[George M]

We don’t want wages held down. We want a modern , growing, and prosperous economy where people can be paid what they deserve.

Does that mean we should cap the earnings of the millionaire and billionare?

Probably not if we want to encourage growth

[Max B Gold]

Why would it discourage growth?

[George M]

Why would it discourage growth?

Because I doubt many would stay. It’s more to do with where they spend the money. Spending and reinvesting here would help growth.

[Dunners]

The reports referred to in that article all indicate that immigration has a negligible impact on wages, whilst also acknowledging that it's complex and hard to measure, especially due to the size of the "hidden economy".

This is all true. So, instead of listening to what they say, let's take a look at what the defenders of the capitalist elite class have actually done. You know, judge them on their actions, and not their words, and then draw conclusions on their motives from there:

Johnson scrapped Theresa May’s cap on non-EU migrant workers, creating an uncapped system. He then opened up recruitment to lower skill levels (RQF levels 3-5) and expanded it to even lower levels (RQF levels 1-2). The Tories then removed the resident labour market test, which required employers to advertise roles in the UK first. Basically, they created the perfect environment of low-skill immigration (including lowering salary thresholds, expanding dependant allowances etc)

They did all of this, and more, in reaction to alarm being sounded by the City, lobby groups, and the Treasury, who were concerned that wage inflation was a probability (this was during the double-digit CPI inflation wave) and could compromise efforts to reduce the rate back down towards nominal target.

Sure, let's talk about taxing unearned wealth and excessive wealth, reducing wealth inequality etc. But anyone suggesting that 1million+ net immigration will not impact on wages and housing supply/costs is for the birds. And it's not uncontrolled - it's deliberate.

[George M]

So they have used immigration as a tool to make life even more difficult and uncomfortable for the masses whilst ensuring that their cosy existence remains intact

[Dunners]

In some ways, yes. In other ways, no.

We do need immigration, especially with an ageing population and with some types of vacancies being difficult to recruit to. But the current approach is going to have negative consequences, so we should be asking who it benefits.

[George M]

So we need a temporary pause so that we are able to ask that question and be provided with coherent answers before we continue down the uncontrolled and ill thought out immigration route

[faldO]

Labour MP who threatened to smash reporter’s face with bat made trade envoy by Starmer

A Labour MP who threatened to smash a reporter’s face with a ‘f****** bat’ has been made a trade envoy by Keir Starmer. Kate Osamor was ordered to apologise for the incident and for using House of Commons headed notepaper for a character reference in her son’s drug case in 2020. Last year she was also suspended by her party after she said Israeli action in Gaza should be remembered as a genocide, in a post about Holocaust Memorial Day.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 87716.html

[The Mindsweep]

The reports referred to in that article all indicate that immigration has a negligible impact on wages, whilst also acknowledging that it's complex and hard to measure, especially due to the size of the "hidden economy".

This is all true. So, instead of listening to what they say, let's take a look at what the defenders of the capitalist elite class have actually done. You know, judge them on their actions, and not their words, and then draw conclusions on their motives from there:

Johnson scrapped Theresa May’s cap on non-EU migrant workers, creating an uncapped system. He then opened up recruitment to lower skill levels (RQF levels 3-5) and expanded it to even lower levels (RQF levels 1-2). The Tories then removed the resident labour market test, which required employers to advertise roles in the UK first. Basically, they created the perfect environment of low-skill immigration (including lowering salary thresholds, expanding dependant allowances etc)

They did all of this, and more, in reaction to alarm being sounded by the City, lobby groups, and the Treasury, who were concerned that wage inflation was a probability (this was during the double-digit CPI inflation wave) and could compromise efforts to reduce the rate back down towards nominal target.

Sure, let's talk about taxing unearned wealth and excessive wealth, reducing wealth inequality etc. But anyone suggesting that 1million+ net immigration will not impact on wages and housing supply/costs is for the birds. And it's not uncontrolled - it's deliberate.

Have a listen to what this O's fan says about Wealth & Immigration

[Dunners]

FFS Starmer!

What's the point of even having a navy if you're not going to use it to annoy the French?