51.9% is not a clear democratic mandate in the way Brexiteers are pretending. Translate those kind of numbers into a general election and you have a hung parliament. In reality we live in a representative democracy.
In fact of course this is what we have - no party won the the last general election. So we have a leader of the Tories who was voted into the prime minister job by a tiny minority of the country (0.01% was it?) who leads a party with no overall majority who is proroguing parliament in order to push ahead with an extreme version of Brexit. This kind of Brexit was not argued for in the Tory manifesto - and was explicitly ruled out in the Labour manifesto.
There is no mandate for a hard Brexit - and definitely not for a no-deal Brexit. Remember we would probably be out of the EU now were it not for the refusal of the ERG to countenance any kind of compromise. It is they who have blocked Brexit.
If you do not understand why what is happening now is a very dangerous outrage - you need to stop and think.
Bernard Mandeville wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:49 pm
51.9% is not a clear democratic mandate in the way Brexiteers are pretending. Translate those kind of numbers into a general election and you have a hung parliament. In reality we live in a representative democracy.
In fact of course this is what we have - no party won the the last general election. So we have a leader of the Tories who was voted into the prime minister job by a tiny minority of the country (0.01% was it?) who leads a party with no overall majority who is proroguing parliament in order to push ahead with an extreme version of Brexit. This kind of Brexit was not argued for in the Tory manifesto - and was explicitly ruled out in the Labour manifesto.
There is no mandate for a hard Brexit - and definitely not for a no-deal Brexit. Remember we would probably be out of the EU now were it not for the refusal of the ERG to countenance any kind of compromise. It is they who have blocked Brexit.
If you do not understand why what is happening now is a very dangerous outrage - you need to stop and think.
If those 'remainers' really wish to defend democracy, then they should get out to Hong Kong where they are really are up against it. Otherwise I'll assume that bonio and tuffers#23 are just whinging, whining and moaning and talking out of their arse as usual and I'm a hard core lefty. Enough of the bollocks please.
Orientinoz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:15 pm
The anoraks out in numbers...Seen more than that at a Leytonstone v Walthamstow Ave game....Pretty poor turnout really.
Hundreds of thousands on the streets in London, over a million nationally and you try to feebly belittle the man in the street for doing his best to stop the coup?
StockholmO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:20 am
If those 'remainers' really wish to defend democracy, then they should get out to Hong Kong where they are really are up against it. Otherwise I'll assume that bonio and tuffers#23 are just whinging, whining and moaning and talking out of their arse as usual and I'm a hard core lefty. Enough of the bollocks please.
Makes me laugh, seeing all the extremists ( right wingers), trying to talk down the demos. In London alone there were over 120,000, plus most cities and many towns had their own demos.
Doubt if it will have much effect on Cummings though......he seems a right nasty bit of work, but it was a considerable prescents
The real work will be done in parliament this coming week, where hopefully a damaging no deal Brexit will be stopped in its tracks
ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:29 am
Makes me laugh, seeing all the extremists ( right wingers), trying to talk down the demos. In London alone there were over 120,000, plus most cities and many towns had their own demos.
Doubt if it will have much effect on Cummings though......he seems a right nasty bit of work, but it was a considerable prescents
The real work will be done in parliament this coming week, where hopefully a damaging no deal Brexit will be stopped in its tracks
For the good of the nation and the future of the people (which let’s face it, doesn’t include most on here), let’s hope so.
This coup has to be stopped and the plotters given revolutionary justice.
Orientinoz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:15 pm
The anoraks out in numbers...Seen more than that at a Leytonstone v Walthamstow Ave game....Pretty poor turnout really.
Hundreds of thousands on the streets in London, over a million nationally and you try to feebly belittle the man in the street for doing his best to stop the coup?
The sun got to you again over their fella?
The man in the street voted marginally to leave the EU. Snow flakes & left wing fascists who cannot accept a democratic vote are the problem.
I voted to Remain, but the histrionics by certain people has become tediously tiresome.
Orientinoz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:15 pm
The anoraks out in numbers...Seen more than that at a Leytonstone v Walthamstow Ave game....Pretty poor turnout really.
Hundreds of thousands on the streets in London, over a million nationally and you try to feebly belittle the man in the street for doing his best to stop the coup?
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:31 am
Protests all over the country today.
Who’s taking part?
The prorogation coup needs to be stopped. We can’t have the same privileged elite doing everything to hoard power.
same old remoaners
who have nothing better to do on a sat and sun.
stop moaning and do what normal people do on the week end that's watch football.
believe me what ever happens life will go on.
believe me what ever happens life will go on - That may well be true but you might want to brush up on your history. Particularly the rise of the totalitarian right in the 20th Century.
Orientinoz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:15 pm
The anoraks out in numbers...Seen more than that at a Leytonstone v Walthamstow Ave game....Pretty poor turnout really.
Hundreds of thousands on the streets in London, over a million nationally and you try to feebly belittle the man in the street for doing his best to stop the coup?
The sun got to you again over their fella?
The man in the street voted marginally to leave the EU. Snow flakes & left wing fascists who cannot accept a democratic vote are the problem.
I voted to Remain, but the histrionics by certain people has become tediously tiresome.
You are a remainer? Great. Will expect to see you manning the barricades and lobbing over the cabbages next week at Whitehall then.
Hundreds of thousands on the streets in London, over a million nationally and you try to feebly belittle the man in the street for doing his best to stop the coup?
The sun got to you again over their fella?
The man in the street voted marginally to leave the EU. Snow flakes & left wing fascists who cannot accept a democratic vote are the problem.
I voted to Remain, but the histrionics by certain people has become tediously tiresome.
You are a remainer? Great. Will expect to see you manning the barricades and lobbing over the cabbages next week at Whitehall then.
Just to mention that one of the freedoms at the very heart of democracy is the freedom to continue to advocate and campaign for a course of action you believe to be right even where this doesn't align with the majority view. That is all.
The man in the street voted marginally to leave the EU. Snow flakes & left wing fascists who cannot accept a democratic vote are the problem.
I voted to Remain, but the histrionics by certain people has become tediously tiresome.
You are a remainer? Great. Will expect to see you manning the barricades and lobbing over the cabbages next week at Whitehall then.
Just to mention that one of the freedoms at the very heart of democracy is the freedom to continue to advocate and campaign for a course of action you believe to be right even where this doesn't align with the majority view. That is all.
That of course is true, but it is very different to preventing the implementation of the democratic wish of the majority
The man in the street voted marginally to leave the EU. Snow flakes & left wing fascists who cannot accept a democratic vote are the problem.
I voted to Remain, but the histrionics by certain people has become tediously tiresome.
You are a remainer? Great. Will expect to see you manning the barricades and lobbing over the cabbages next week at Whitehall then.
Just to mention that one of the freedoms at the very heart of democracy is the freedom to continue to advocate and campaign for a course of action you believe to be right even where this doesn't align with the majority view. That is all.
Correct and the youth of this country whose futures have been sold out by those who won’t be around much longer have every right to advocate for a course of action. After all, it concerns them more than us.
Hundreds of thousands on the streets in London, over a million nationally and you try to feebly belittle the man in the street for doing his best to stop the coup?
The sun got to you again over their fella?
The man in the street voted marginally to leave the EU. Snow flakes & left wing fascists who cannot accept a democratic vote are the problem.
I voted to Remain, but the histrionics by certain people has become tediously tiresome.
You are a remainer? Great. Will expect to see you manning the barricades and lobbing over the cabbages next week at Whitehall then.
No, just because I backed the wrong horse in a 2 horse race, I don't expect them to run it again. I respect the result even though I don't like it
The man in the street voted marginally to leave the EU. Snow flakes & left wing fascists who cannot accept a democratic vote are the problem.
I voted to Remain, but the histrionics by certain people has become tediously tiresome.
You are a remainer? Great. Will expect to see you manning the barricades and lobbing over the cabbages next week at Whitehall then.
No, just because I backed the wrong horse in a 2 horse race, I don't expect them to run it again. I respect the result even though I don't like it
And the youth of the country who are overwhelmingly remain?
You are a remainer? Great. Will expect to see you manning the barricades and lobbing over the cabbages next week at Whitehall then.
Just to mention that one of the freedoms at the very heart of democracy is the freedom to continue to advocate and campaign for a course of action you believe to be right even where this doesn't align with the majority view. That is all.
Correct and the youth of this country whose futures have been sold out by those who won’t be around much longer have every right to advocate for a course of action. After all, it concerns them more than us.
The youth have themselves to blame I’m afraid. Only 1 in 3 turned out to vote, the silly buggers.
You are a remainer? Great. Will expect to see you manning the barricades and lobbing over the cabbages next week at Whitehall then.
Just to mention that one of the freedoms at the very heart of democracy is the freedom to continue to advocate and campaign for a course of action you believe to be right even where this doesn't align with the majority view. That is all.
Correct and the youth of this country whose futures have been sold out by those who won’t be around much longer have every right to advocate for a course of action. After all, it concerns them more than us.
The youth have themselves to blame I’m afraid. Only 1 in 3 turned out to vote, the silly buggers.