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Re: James Brophy
Point still stands about the pointless stats, a goal (or assist) is what counts and he did that today with the help of some epically bad goalkeeping

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Re: James Brophy
Surely you're smarter than what your post represents. Goals are created through key passes. It means he's creating the most of these chances therefore goals should be more likely overall when he's in the team. It is a substantial stat.
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OMG, what a coincidence, same result as last season even to us getting an own goal; scored for us in the dying minutes !!
August 4th 2018 at 12.30pm UK at The Peninsula Stadium (Salford, Greater Manchester) Salford City 1-1 Leyton Orient
Gaffney (47') scored for Salford,
Hogan (88' og.) for Leyton Orient !!
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/n ... 78993.html
August 4th 2018 at 12.30pm UK at The Peninsula Stadium (Salford, Greater Manchester) Salford City 1-1 Leyton Orient
Gaffney (47') scored for Salford,
Hogan (88' og.) for Leyton Orient !!
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/n ... 78993.html
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Does it say that it's counting only key passes that lead to goals? If there's no goal at the end it's nothing more than an "oooh" moment for the crowd. We had plenty of those last game but ended up losing.
Today he did more and had a shot which led to a goal, so by rights he should have an assist to his name. Let's stick to counting stats that actually count for something.
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LittleMate wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:32 pmTell me a game he's changed. I'm struggling to think of one myself.
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You're missing the point completely. I never said that all the passes lead to goals- re read it. What I'm saying is it reflects his final choice making. If I were manager and I was comparing two number 10s I'd pick the one who created the most chances (the main job of a number 10). It's also an endorsement that he's making the right choices with the ball - more so than others playing in the same position.gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:46 pmDoes it say that it's counting only key passes that lead to goals? If there's no goal at the end it's nothing more than an "oooh" moment for the crowd. We had plenty of those last game but ended up losing.
Today he did more and had a shot which led to a goal, so by rights he should have an assist to his name. Let's stick to counting stats that actually count for something.
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You do realise that there is a certain element of luck, both good and bad, in scoring/not scoring goals right? Assists are not necessarily a great barometer of whether someone is driving play.gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:46 pmDoes it say that it's counting only key passes that lead to goals? If there's no goal at the end it's nothing more than an "oooh" moment for the crowd. We had plenty of those last game but ended up losing.
Today he did more and had a shot which led to a goal, so by rights he should have an assist to his name. Let's stick to counting stats that actually count for something.
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You can look at it two ways I guess. Do you want the player that's "driving play" as mentioned above but nothing comes of it. Lots of dribbles, some passes but no cutting edge. Or alternatively the guy who picks one cross but puts it on the bonce of the striker for a goal.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:00 pmYou do realise that there is a certain element of luck, both good and bad, in scoring/not scoring goals right? Assists are not necessarily a great barometer of whether someone is driving play.gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:46 pmDoes it say that it's counting only key passes that lead to goals? If there's no goal at the end it's nothing more than an "oooh" moment for the crowd. We had plenty of those last game but ended up losing.
Today he did more and had a shot which led to a goal, so by rights he should have an assist to his name. Let's stick to counting stats that actually count for something.
Some goals are lucky like today's OG but someone like, say, Jobi there's a lot of quality and precision in how he picks his final ball.
Glad to see Brophy take the shot on today as he's been reluctant to do it. He took the gamble today just get something on target to work the keeper and it paid off. More of that please.
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I get this, but even with the precision of McAnuff's crosses or passes there is still an element of luck on whether the ball ends up in the net. Take Ling's superb cross to Wilkinson against Stevenage (I think). That's not Ling's fault that Wilkinson totally cocked up such a peach of a cross. He doesn't get credited with an assist because of his team mate's frankly poo attempt at going for a dangerous cross.gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:14 pmYou can look at it two ways I guess. Do you want the player that's "driving play" as mentioned above but nothing comes of it. Lots of dribbles, some passes but no cutting edge. Or alternatively the guy who picks one cross but puts it on the bonce of the striker for a goal.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:00 pmYou do realise that there is a certain element of luck, both good and bad, in scoring/not scoring goals right? Assists are not necessarily a great barometer of whether someone is driving play.gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:46 pm
Does it say that it's counting only key passes that lead to goals? If there's no goal at the end it's nothing more than an "oooh" moment for the crowd. We had plenty of those last game but ended up losing.
Today he did more and had a shot which led to a goal, so by rights he should have an assist to his name. Let's stick to counting stats that actually count for something.
Some goals are lucky like today's OG but someone like, say, Jobi there's a lot of quality and precision in how he picks his final ball.
Glad to see Brophy take the shot on today as he's been reluctant to do it. He took the gamble today just get something on target to work the keeper and it paid off. More of that please.
(I'm not saying Ling is a play driver btw, just using it as an example).
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It’s amazing then just how lucky some players are, those that score regularly at the highest level. Lucky devils.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:00 pmYou do realise that there is a certain element of luck, both good and bad, in scoring/not scoring goals right? Assists are not necessarily a great barometer of whether someone is driving play.gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:46 pmDoes it say that it's counting only key passes that lead to goals? If there's no goal at the end it's nothing more than an "oooh" moment for the crowd. We had plenty of those last game but ended up losing.
Today he did more and had a shot which led to a goal, so by rights he should have an assist to his name. Let's stick to counting stats that actually count for something.
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I agree. Sometimes have a shot rather than faff about. I thought he had a good game.gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:14 pmYou can look at it two ways I guess. Do you want the player that's "driving play" as mentioned above but nothing comes of it. Lots of dribbles, some passes but no cutting edge. Or alternatively the guy who picks one cross but puts it on the bonce of the striker for a goal.Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:00 pmYou do realise that there is a certain element of luck, both good and bad, in scoring/not scoring goals right? Assists are not necessarily a great barometer of whether someone is driving play.gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:46 pm
Does it say that it's counting only key passes that lead to goals? If there's no goal at the end it's nothing more than an "oooh" moment for the crowd. We had plenty of those last game but ended up losing.
Today he did more and had a shot which led to a goal, so by rights he should have an assist to his name. Let's stick to counting stats that actually count for something.
Some goals are lucky like today's OG but someone like, say, Jobi there's a lot of quality and precision in how he picks his final ball.
Glad to see Brophy take the shot on today as he's been reluctant to do it. He took the gamble today just get something on target to work the keeper and it paid off. More of that please.
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Re: James Brophy
Can’t believe some people are missing the very obvious point smendrick is making.
Actually, seeing who it is, yes I can.
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Re: James Brophy
Own goal!Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:50 pmOrient twitter gave it to Brophy and made mention of ''King Harrold'' ( my nickname for Matt ! ) being involved !
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Yes at first given as Brophys goal on the Orient twitter then changed to an own goal by Neal in the 87th minute. I said several posts above that in seasons 1-1 draw and today's 1-1 draw, deja vu that in both games, own goals by Salford in the dying minutes to give us 1-1 draws.jamespevans wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:55 pmOwn goal!Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:50 pmOrient twitter gave it to Brophy and made mention of ''King Harrold'' ( my nickname for Matt ! ) being involved !
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Yes, we know as you said exactly the same in two threads already.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:23 pmYes at first given as Brophys goal on the Orient twitter then changed to an own goal by Neal in the 87th minute. I said several posts above that in seasons 1-1 draw and today's 1-1 draw, deja vu that in both games, own goals by Salford in the dying minutes to give us 1-1 draws.jamespevans wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:55 pmOwn goal!Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:50 pm
Orient twitter gave it to Brophy and made mention of ''King Harrold'' ( my nickname for Matt ! ) being involved !