HOW LONG NOW FOR RICHIE

[Qin]

Richie has been let down big time by the board during the summer.
The dross that was brought in made what is now happening inevitable.
Give Richie the tools, & he'll do the job.
I'm happy for Richie to be here, we couldn't get anyone better, that's for sure

[Chief crazy horse]

Nothing to do with the board - he's just not half as good as what most of you (on this board, anyway) think he is.

[redintheface]

Richie has been let down big time by the board during the summer.
The dross that was brought in made what is now happening inevitable.
Give Richie the tools, & he'll do the job.
I'm happy for Richie to be here, we couldn't get anyone better, that's for sure

I’m also happy for Wellens to remain in charge for the time being but to imply that it’s impossible for the club to get anyone who could do a better job is frankly ridiculous.

[CharlieO]

I must disagree: Jimmy Bloomfield, Russell Slade and Justin Edinburgh were more likeable and better managers.

Cant comment on Bloomfield.

Slade and Edinburgh were undoubtedly good man managers and got the most out of players. But Wellens is a far better tactician and much more knowledgable than either, especially Justin. There's no comparison on that front.

Well, those tactics are not working are they.. his team have been serving up, by and large, dross for the last season and half. His disciplinary record is also a disgrace which is reflected on his team. And as far as those aforementioned ex Orient managers go he doesn't hold a candle to them as far as an endearing personality goes.

I think that's right. Interesting as to whether by definition Wellens not being as good at getting the most out of his players as Slade and Edinburgh is trumped by his putatively superior tactics and "knowledge". Slade took a team to third in this division, which based on my undertsanding of how leagues and league tables work, hasn't been matched by Wellens, and likely on a significantly lower proportionate budget.
Wellens has apparently been bemoaning the effect people offering opinions on forums of the relative merits of the footballers they pay to watch has on those players: I would have thought that your manager during a game jumping up and down and throwing his water bottle to the ground every time you misplace a pass, shouting less than encouraging comments while the game is in progress and constantly having exchanges during the match that the players seem less than enamoured with (there was one with Agyei last night), might have a more deleterious effect.
I recall Kevin Nolan being asked at a Meet the Manager night whether criticism of the players by fans was affecting their performance and he laughed out loud and said Orient was the nicest most polite club he had been at.

[Hoover Attack]

I must disagree: Jimmy Bloomfield, Russell Slade and Justin Edinburgh were more likeable and better managers.

Cant comment on Bloomfield.

Slade and Edinburgh were undoubtedly good man managers and got the most out of players. But Wellens is a far better tactician and much more knowledgable than either, especially Justin. There's no comparison on that front.

Well, those tactics are not working are they.. his team have been serving up, by and large, dross for the last season and half. His disciplinary record is also a disgrace which is reflected on his team. And as far as those aforementioned ex Orient managers go he doesn't hold a candle to them as far as an endearing personality goes.

Relentless.

[DrWindy]

I've it before and I'll say it again , Richie is one of the best managers this club has ever had . If Richie left we'd get relegated for sure . I don't blame the manager for our blight , I blame the board . Our recruitment during the Summer was pants . You could see we were going to hit trouble by the calibre of signings we were making . TBH, I can't see our recruitment being any better in January so we're in deep sh*t this season .

Why blame the board for our recruitment?

The money needed to compete in L1 this season wasn't available unfortunately

At the risk of repeating myself the money is as high as it has ever been. The money has been wasted. Our League two winning team was better than what we have now. Our budget is supposedly much bigger than it was back then. I don’t blame the board. I bet NT is pretty annoyed much of his money has been wasted.

[Max B Gold]

If we are in the bottom four after Xmas, then the deed needs to be done.

[gshaw]

At the risk of repeating myself the money is as high as it has ever been. The money has been wasted. Our League two winning team was better than what we have now. Our budget is supposedly much bigger than it was back then. I don’t blame the board. I bet NT is pretty annoyed much of his money has been wasted.

Indeed, on one hand I feel for Travis as he's seemingly now carrying the financial burden on his own and his heart is in the right place wanting the best for the club he too supports.

On the other hand no action has been taken to change staffing or processes in regard to recruitment so reaping what's been sown there.

Time to make changes further up at DoF level and give Richie a chance with fresh recruitment ideas else the cycle will just repeat itself. The current situation has a very Jackett-esque feel to it after similar recruitment issues in his time as manager.

[Max B Gold]

At the risk of repeating myself the money is as high as it has ever been. The money has been wasted. Our League two winning team was better than what we have now. Our budget is supposedly much bigger than it was back then. I don’t blame the board. I bet NT is pretty annoyed much of his money has been wasted.

Indeed, on one hand I feel for Travis as he's seemingly now carrying the financial burden on his own and his heart is in the right place wanting the best for the club he too supports.

On the other hand no action has been taken to change staffing or processes in regard to recruitment so reaping what's been sown there.

Time to make changes further up at DoF level and give Richie a chance with fresh recruitment ideas else the cycle will just repeat itself. The current situation has a very Jackett-esque feel to it after similar recruitment issues in his time as manager.

I wonder if changing the manager would solve the recruitment issues.

[gshaw]

I wonder if changing the manager would solve the recruitment issues.

Cast your mind back to January 2022 for that answer

Moss, Ray, Coleman, Nouble etc etc.

[cockhat]

At the risk of repeating myself the money is as high as it has ever been. The money has been wasted. Our League two winning team was better than what we have now. Our budget is supposedly much bigger than it was back then. I don’t blame the board. I bet NT is pretty annoyed much of his money has been wasted.

Indeed, on one hand I feel for Travis as he's seemingly now carrying the financial burden on his own and his heart is in the right place wanting the best for the club he too supports.

On the other hand no action has been taken to change staffing or processes in regard to recruitment so reaping what's been sown there.

Time to make changes further up at DoF level and give Richie a chance with fresh recruitment ideas else the cycle will just repeat itself. The current situation has a very Jackett-esque feel to it after similar recruitment issues in his time as manager.

Let’s hope he doesn’t get a Jackett January transfer window!

[redintheface]

At the risk of repeating myself the money is as high as it has ever been. The money has been wasted. Our League two winning team was better than what we have now. Our budget is supposedly much bigger than it was back then. I don’t blame the board. I bet NT is pretty annoyed much of his money has been wasted.

Indeed, on one hand I feel for Travis as he's seemingly now carrying the financial burden on his own and his heart is in the right place wanting the best for the club he too supports.

On the other hand no action has been taken to change staffing or processes in regard to recruitment so reaping what's been sown there.

Time to make changes further up at DoF level and give Richie a chance with fresh recruitment ideas else the cycle will just repeat itself. The current situation has a very Jackett-esque feel to it after similar recruitment issues in his time as manager.

The parallels between what happened to Jackett as a result of mediocre player recruitment and what is happening now to Wellens are clear to see.

[redintheface]

I wonder if changing the manager would solve the recruitment issues.

Cast your mind back to January 2022 for that answer

Moss, Ray, Coleman, Nouble etc etc.

Even the year before in Jan 2021. :- Abrahams, Freeman, Kemp & Thompson ( always injured) . None of them could be described as successful recruits imo.

[Max B Gold]

At the risk of repeating myself the money is as high as it has ever been. The money has been wasted. Our League two winning team was better than what we have now. Our budget is supposedly much bigger than it was back then. I don’t blame the board. I bet NT is pretty annoyed much of his money has been wasted.

Indeed, on one hand I feel for Travis as he's seemingly now carrying the financial burden on his own and his heart is in the right place wanting the best for the club he too supports.

On the other hand no action has been taken to change staffing or processes in regard to recruitment so reaping what's been sown there.

Time to make changes further up at DoF level and give Richie a chance with fresh recruitment ideas else the cycle will just repeat itself. The current situation has a very Jackett-esque feel to it after similar recruitment issues in his time as manager.

The parallels between what happened to Jackett as a result of mediocre player recruitment and what is happening now to Wellens are clear to see.

What makes you say its happening to Wellens? Has he had no say when it comes to player recruitment

[Max B Gold]

I wonder if changing the manager would solve the recruitment issues.

Cast your mind back to January 2022 for that answer

Moss, Ray, Coleman, Nouble etc etc.

Even the year before in Jan 2021. :- Abrahams, Freeman, Kemp & Thompson ( always injured) . None of them could be described as successful recruits imo.

Unless you have money to buy some quality there's usually only dross on offer in January.

Sometimes, you can get lucky with the odd nugget but the hit rate isn't very high.

[Hoover Attack]

The parallels between what happened to Jackett as a result of mediocre player recruitment and what is happening now to Wellens are clear to see.

If only there was some untouchable common denominator in all of this?

[Chief crazy horse]

Cant comment on Bloomfield.

Slade and Edinburgh were undoubtedly good man managers and got the most out of players. But Wellens is a far better tactician and much more knowledgable than either, especially Justin. There's no comparison on that front.

Well, those tactics are not working are they.. his team have been serving up, by and large, dross for the last season and half. His disciplinary record is also a disgrace which is reflected on his team. And as far as those aforementioned ex Orient managers go he doesn't hold a candle to them as far as an endearing personality goes.

Relentless.

You mean, your never ending praise of the manager despite the dire situation we're in and the dire performances 'his' team display on a regular basis..The club is in trouble under his leadership. Think you've got this the wrong way round.

[gshaw]

What makes you say its happening to Wellens? Has he had no say when it comes to player recruitment

I put this to Matt Porter after his "all players are approved by the manager" comment the other week, seems "ask me anything" didn't extend to the really awkward questions

[Max B Gold]

I miss Gilso.

[Chief crazy horse]

I wonder where would be be if we had had a fully fit Theo and Graham this season? They are massive misses.

Nowhere different, Theo isn't that great

Agree. Theo is a good player in this team but some of the glowing praise he gets on here is way over the top. And he's not the only one...
(Ps..and the best of luck to him with his injury)

[Hoover Attack]

What makes you say its happening to Wellens? Has he had no say when it comes to player recruitment

I put this to Matt Porter after his "all players are approved by the manager" comment the other week, seems "ask me anything" didn't extend to the really awkward questions

Do Terry Howard and Mint Pooper realise who they’re dancing with?

[Chelmsford Swimmer]

Time to make changes further up at DoF level and give Richie a chance with fresh recruitment ideas else the cycle will just repeat itself.

Would that be the cycle that started in the National League and is currently In League 1 ?

[Hoover Attack]

Time to make changes further up at DoF level and give Richie a chance with fresh recruitment ideas else the cycle will just repeat itself.

Would that be the cycle that started in the National League and is currently In League 1 ?

Thanks to Justin and Richie.

[Chelmsford Swimmer]

Time to make changes further up at DoF level and give Richie a chance with fresh recruitment ideas else the cycle will just repeat itself.

Would that be the cycle that started in the National League and is currently In League 1 ?

Thanks to Justin and Richie.

And the DoF

[gshaw]

Would that be the cycle that started in the National League and is currently In League 1 ?

Thanks to Justin and Richie.

And the DoF

The DoF had us on course for NL South before JE bailed him out
The DoF appointed Fletcher and Embleton (two sackable offences right there)
The DoF gave Jackett the worst January transfer window the club had ever seen leaving us on the brink of NL before Richie bailed him out

Basically the success he claims as his own relied on two strong managers doing things their way, with a squad of pros. Once the old tropes of weak youth players and injury prone signings come back round then the cycle repeats again.

We often talk about the Brentford / Peterborough model but we still look miles away from getting anywhere near that.