Russia / Ukraine Watch

[Dunners]

And we now know how to defeat the North Korean army. Just give them porn.

[Long slender neck]

I would think it's more likely that Putin will arm the Houthis with more sophisticated/longer range missiles in the Yemen and they will start to try taking out oil tankers and possibly military ships in the straits of Oman rather than Russia launch a direct attack on NATO. Despite all his rhetoric he knows that getting involved directly with NATO will only end badly, he will bide his time and wait for Trump. Sooner or later there will have to be negotiations for a peace settlement.

I agree . In the end there will need to be an negotiated settlement . Can people honestly say they can see Ukraine winning this war because I can't . There is absolutely no way Putin will ever accept defeat . Biden giving permission to launch American long range missiles into Russia is another step towards further escalation. The Russians insist that these long range missiles can only work with the help of NATO satellites . They said that this would mean NATO's direct involvement in the war. My fear is Putin will use a tactical nuke on Kyiv rather than lose the war . Incidentally a tactical nuke is considered to be the size of the Hiroshima bomb .

Why do people keep saying this?
So we should never have any wars, only negotiations? How bleedin woke of you.

[Hoover Attack]

But that was weeks ago.

Can’t rush Sleepy Jo.

[RedDwarf 1881]

I would think it's more likely that Putin will arm the Houthis with more sophisticated/longer range missiles in the Yemen and they will start to try taking out oil tankers and possibly military ships in the straits of Oman rather than Russia launch a direct attack on NATO. Despite all his rhetoric he knows that getting involved directly with NATO will only end badly, he will bide his time and wait for Trump. Sooner or later there will have to be negotiations for a peace settlement.

I agree . In the end there will need to be an negotiated settlement . Can people honestly say they can see Ukraine winning this war because I can't . There is absolutely no way Putin will ever accept defeat . Biden giving permission to launch American long range missiles into Russia is another step towards further escalation. The Russians insist that these long range missiles can only work with the help of NATO satellites . They said that this would mean NATO's direct involvement in the war. My fear is Putin will use a tactical nuke on Kyiv rather than lose the war . Incidentally a tactical nuke is considered to be the size of the Hiroshima bomb .

Why do people keep saying this?
So we should never have any wars, only negotiations? How bleedin woke of you.

Wanting peace is now woke ? How bizarre .

[Long slender neck]

So if Russia invade any country it should just be accepted and negotiated?

[RedDwarf 1881]

So if Russia invade any country it should just be accepted and negotiated?

OK then nuke them .

[Pugwash]

So if Russia invade any country it should just be accepted and negotiated?

OK then nuke them .

Need a Mad leader to do that, oh hang on Trumps in charge from January threatening China who are Russias closest ally with 60% tariffs. What could possibly go wrong?

[Dunners]

FFS.

Neither Russia nor the US/allies are going to use nukes on each other. Every time the Kremlin (or it's Western-based shills) threatens that a Western state's actions or intentions risks a serious escalation, it's always a bluff. Because that's all they have.

Even if Russia was minded to use one, I doubt even they trust that their maintenance regime over the years will have been sufficient to guarantee against the weapon detonating at the point of being fired.

Spot the trend. The following is just a short list of things the West has done, which Putin and Kremlin shills warned would lead to serious escalation (including the use of nukes). The threat never materialises because, for all their rantings, the Kremlin isn't stuffed with idiots.

- Sending any weapons to Ukraine
- Sending MANPADS/ATGMs to Ukraine
- Sending former Soviet tanks
- Sending HIMARS
- Sending parts for former Soviet jets
- Sending western tanks
- Sending ATACMS
- Sending Stormshadow/Scalp
- Letting Ukraine strike Crimea
- Letting Ukraine strike Russia with their domestic weapons
- Letting Ukraine have incursions into Russia
- Sending jets to Ukraine
- Letting Ukraine fire ATACMS at Russian air bases

This latest decision is not that big a deal. All it does is extend Ukraine's reach into the Russian homeland by approximately 180 miles. This is about improving Ukraine's capability to defend it's Kursk invasion so to provide it with some leverage at future negotiations.

I'm not saying there are no reasons to be concerned - there are. But this latest decision or the threatening of nuclear war isn't one of them.

[RedDwarf 1881]

So if Russia invade any country it should just be accepted and negotiated?

OK then nuke them .

Need a Mad leader to do that, oh hang on Trumps in charge from January threatening China who are Russias closest ally with 60% tariffs. What could possibly go wrong?

That's assuming we get to January thanks Joe 'Biden

[Pugwash]

OK then nuke them .

Need a Mad leader to do that, oh hang on Trumps in charge from January threatening China who are Russias closest ally with 60% tariffs. What could possibly go wrong?

That's assuming we get to January thanks Joe 'Biden

Bidens not threatening to use Nukes Mate.

[Bandy Legs]

FFS.

Neither Russia nor the US/allies are going to use nukes on each other. Every time the Kremlin (or it's Western-based shills) threatens that a Western state's actions or intentions risks a serious escalation, it's always a bluff. Because that's all they have.

Even if Russia was minded to use one, I doubt even they trust that their maintenance regime over the years will have been sufficient to guarantee against the weapon detonating at the point of being fired.

Spot the trend. The following is just a short list of things the West has done, which Putin and Kremlin shills warned would lead to serious escalation (including the use of nukes). The threat never materialises because, for all their rantings, the Kremlin isn't stuffed with idiots.

- Sending any weapons to Ukraine
- Sending MANPADS/ATGMs to Ukraine
- Sending former Soviet tanks
- Sending HIMARS
- Sending parts for former Soviet jets
- Sending western tanks
- Sending ATACMS
- Sending Stormshadow/Scalp
- Letting Ukraine strike Crimea
- Letting Ukraine strike Russia with their domestic weapons
- Letting Ukraine have incursions into Russia
- Sending jets to Ukraine
- Letting Ukraine fire ATACMS at Russian air bases

This latest decision is not that big a deal. All it does is extend Ukraine's reach into the Russian homeland by approximately 180 miles. This is about improving Ukraine's capability to defend it's Kursk invasion so to provide it with some leverage at future negotiations.

I'm not saying there are no reasons to be concerned - there are. But this latest decision or the threatening of nuclear war isn't one of them.

Bit of an Expensive bluff, why not just bluff the world & pretend they all have Nukes?
The saved money would end poverty wouldn't it?

[RedDwarf 1881]

Need a Mad leader to do that, oh hang on Trumps in charge from January threatening China who are Russias closest ally with 60% tariffs. What could possibly go wrong?

That's assuming we get to January thanks Joe 'Biden

Bidens not threatening to use Nukes Mate.

No but he's escalating things . The stupid old duffer .

[Pugwash]

That's assuming we get to January thanks Joe 'Biden

Bidens not threatening to use Nukes Mate.

No but he's escalating things . The stupid old duffer .

Escalating is invading a Sovereign State! Stupid old duffers are Ten a penny.

[Proposition Joe]

- Sending MANPADS

Is this cos they're pissing themselves about things escalating?

[RedDwarf 1881]

FFS.

Neither Russia nor the US/allies are going to use nukes on each other. Every time the Kremlin (or it's Western-based shills) threatens that a Western state's actions or intentions risks a serious escalation, it's always a bluff. Because that's all they have.

Even if Russia was minded to use one, I doubt even they trust that their maintenance regime over the years will have been sufficient to guarantee against the weapon detonating at the point of being fired.

Spot the trend. The following is just a short list of things the West has done, which Putin and Kremlin shills warned would lead to serious escalation (including the use of nukes). The threat never materialises because, for all their rantings, the Kremlin isn't stuffed with idiots.

- Sending any weapons to Ukraine
- Sending MANPADS/ATGMs to Ukraine
- Sending former Soviet tanks
- Sending HIMARS
- Sending parts for former Soviet jets
- Sending western tanks
- Sending ATACMS
- Sending Stormshadow/Scalp
- Letting Ukraine strike Crimea
- Letting Ukraine strike Russia with their domestic weapons
- Letting Ukraine have incursions into Russia
- Sending jets to Ukraine
- Letting Ukraine fire ATACMS at Russian air bases

This latest decision is not that big a deal. All it does is extend Ukraine's reach into the Russian homeland by approximately 180 miles. This is about improving Ukraine's capability to defend it's Kursk invasion so to provide it with some leverage at future negotiations.

I'm not saying there are no reasons to be concerned - there are. But this latest decision or the threatening of nuclear war isn't one of them.

What would be the next step. Letting Ukraine hit Moscow with Western missiles ? Edit . Basically how far do we dare to push things .

[RedDwarf 1881]

Bidens not threatening to use Nukes Mate.

No but he's escalating things . The stupid old duffer .

Escalating is invading a Sovereign State! Stupid old duffers are Ten a penny.

indeed . I'm not defending Putin for one second . The bloke is a paranoid Cnut who has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands on both sides .

[Pugwash]

No but he's escalating things . The stupid old duffer .

Escalating is invading a Sovereign State! Stupid old duffers are Ten a penny.

indeed . I'm not defending Putin for one second . The bloke is a paranoid Cnut who has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands on both sides .

Yeah, Trump loves him though

[RedDwarf 1881]

Escalating is invading a Sovereign State! Stupid old duffers are Ten a penny.

indeed . I'm not defending Putin for one second . The bloke is a paranoid Cnut who has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands on both sides .

Yeah, Trump loves him though

I wouldn't say that . He previously got along with him but is that a bad thing if Trump is somehow going to bring about a ceasefire . This war has to end .

[Max B Gold]

Uh oh goodnight Kyiv/Kiev

https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.s ... c6glzv622b

[Max B Gold]

So if Russia invade any country it should just be accepted and negotiated?

It's an arrangement that appears to work very well for the USA.

[Pugwash]

indeed . I'm not defending Putin for one second . The bloke is a paranoid Cnut who has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands on both sides .

Yeah, Trump loves him though

I wouldn't say that . He previously got along with him but is that a bad thing if Trump is somehow going to bring about a ceasefire . This war has to end .

Putin, Epstein, you're Heroes got some lovely friends. Trump says hes getting a ceasefire how exactly?

[Long slender neck]

So if Russia invade any country it should just be accepted and negotiated?

OK then nuke them .

Is that the only other option? Nuke them or appeasement?

[Max B Gold]

So if Russia invade any country it should just be accepted and negotiated?

OK then nuke them .

Is that the only other option? Nuke them or appeasement?

Option 3: Fight on to the bitter end expending the 18-65 male population and lose anyway. A defeat that was always going to happen. OR

Negotiate a withdrawal of Russian forces to its pre invasions borders by disengaging with NATO and adopting a neutral stance whilst also guaranteeing the freedom and safety of the Russian speaking population in Ukraine.

[Long slender neck]

Pre 1st or 2nd invasion border?

[Max B Gold]

Pre 1st or 2nd invasion border?

1st but as that is contested it will prove tricky, but not impossible, to reach agreement.